EPTOn November 12 2015 23:39 shaxterisop wrote:
as you like my friend. There is always a start for everyone that's all i can tell you.
as you like my friend. There is always a start for everyone that's all i can tell you.
Yours could be better, fyi.
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On November 12 2015 23:36 ticklishmusic wrote: Emory is a pretty small campus. One of the main roads is Clifton, and there's Children's Hospital, Winship Cancer Institute and like 2 or 3 branches of Emory Hospital. Students were straight up blocking the road so cars couldn't get through. This is pretty extensive healthcare complex-- we hear dozens of ambulances everyday, and even several helicopters (we have a helipad). Look, I get the point of protesting. I get that protesters are likely protesting conditions that endanger them, but there is no need to endanger some completely unrelated guy who is trying to get chemo or dialysis, or god forbid is in critical condition and needs immediate surgery. It's shit like this that drains my sympathy for these protests. This sort of stupid extremism is awful. I imagine a lot of the initiatives on the right that we drop our jaws at like deportation of all illegal immigrants and slashing the IRS started off as good causes then got co-opted by crazies. Yeah I agree that blocking emergency responders from literally saving lives is a pretty inappropriate way of getting their point across. I suppose their mindset must be something like "If we feel our lives are in danger and no one's recognizing it, then maybe people will acknowledge us when we put other people's lives in danger." I feel like there's probably some sort of ethical perspective where that mindset might be justified, but the decision still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. | ||
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On November 12 2015 23:42 heliusx wrote: Blocking the road isn't illegal in your town? Where are the police? Getting attention by being a dick isn't the way to win people over. Yes, that is how most protesting works. Civil disobedience is part of protesting a system. People like to cite the highly sanitized films and photos of the MLK protests, but those folks were angry as fuck too. They blocked traffic, filled up diners and only ordered coffee. They just didn't respond when harassed by people who didn't like the protest. | ||
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On November 12 2015 23:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah I agree that blocking emergency responders from literally saving lives is a pretty inappropriate way of getting their point across. I suppose their mindset must be something like "If we feel our lives are in danger and no one's recognizing it, then maybe people will acknowledge us when we put other people's lives in danger." I feel like there's probably some sort of ethical perspective where that mindset might be justified, but the decision still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. don't really see how it can be justified. it's basically terrorism | ||
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On November 13 2015 00:55 oneofthem wrote: don't really see how it can be justified. it's basically terrorism And bullying. Both it and terrorism have become useless, meaningless words that people just throw around for the cheap emotional response and to disingenuously frame the discussion in their favor. | ||
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On November 13 2015 00:09 Plansix wrote: I won’t say that all protests are well thought out either. That one might not be so great. But blocking people on the way to work and other things is part of how protesting works. They want to get arrested and get attention. Because once the anger fades about how rude it is to block people on the way to work, people start asking “why do these people get arrested on purpose over and over?” It may be part of how protesting works, but it still won't engender people to your cause. From a realistic perspective, what percentage of people who are late to work because protesters blocked the road come away from that experience wanting to take time out of their daily lives to become activists for the cause? A pretty low amount, I would think, at least compared to the people that come away from it disliking the protesters more than they did before. It should be no shock to anyone, but in racist systems, fixing the people is as important as fixing the government, institutions, and schools. If this movement successfully eradicates systemic racism from the University of Missouri system, and finds justice for the people that have been afflicted, but further pisses off the racists who live in the community, has it actually done any good? Protests like this just give racists more fuel for the racist fire. Then again, I am no expert on racial equality or protesting. I just know how I feel when I'm inconvenienced on purpose by someone I have never personally harmed. It's fucking annoying, and it doesn't make me sympathetic. That may be my privilege, and it may not be fair, but it's the reality. | ||
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On November 13 2015 01:21 farvacola wrote: Protest places a fair amount of importance on the notion of notoriety and being seen. So no, cyberterrorism is not really the same. Unless they then make YouTube videos/ Tweets about their actions, like that stupid Anonymous hacker group, right? | ||
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On November 13 2015 01:21 farvacola wrote: Protest places a fair amount of importance on the notion of notoriety and being seen. So no, cyberterrorism is not really the same. the results of latter is clearly notorious and publicizable, so that one doesn't work. | ||
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Plansix
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On November 13 2015 01:27 ZasZ. wrote: It may be part of how protesting works, but it still won't engender people to your cause. From a realistic perspective, what percentage of people who are late to work because protesters blocked the road come away from that experience wanting to take time out of their daily lives to become activists for the cause? A pretty low amount, I would think, at least compared to the people that come away from it disliking the protesters more than they did before. It should be no shock to anyone, but in racist systems, fixing the people is as important as fixing the government, institutions, and schools. If this movement successfully eradicates systemic racism from the University of Missouri system, and finds justice for the people that have been afflicted, but further pisses off the racists who live in the community, has it actually done any good? Protests like this just give racists more fuel for the racist fire. Then again, I am no expert on racial equality or protesting. I just know how I feel when I'm inconvenienced on purpose by someone I have never personally harmed. It's fucking annoying, and it doesn't make me sympathetic. That may be my privilege, and it may not be fair, but it's the reality. If people are protesting racism and inequality, they are not super concerned if people like them. They are not looking for friends. They want change and if being get mad at the power structure because traffic is slowed down every day because of the protests, then they got what they wanted. Its sort of like Unions. Some strikes are not popular, but get the union what they want. Some fail. But the goal of the protest/strike isn’t always to make people agree with them. | ||
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On November 13 2015 00:59 KwarK wrote: Now we just need xDaunt to come in and complain that the meaning of terrorism is being abused and we've come full circle. Hah, I certainly don't consider the protesters to be terrorists. I think a previous poster came pretty close to hitting the nail on the head when he called them a bunch of "dicks." Throw in "self-righteous" and "delusional" and we're 99% of the way there. | ||
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