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On October 29 2015 09:04 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 08:55 notesfromunderground wrote:On October 29 2015 08:53 Chewbacca. wrote:On October 29 2015 08:41 notesfromunderground wrote:On October 29 2015 08:35 ticklishmusic wrote:On October 29 2015 08:35 notesfromunderground wrote:
It would just be nice if they threw in an education along with that B.S. in engineering What do you mean by that? I mean that job training is not the purpose of a college education. If that's the case, then I'm for the radical free market option - we should abolish public education and make companies pay to train their own employees. The purpose of education is to help realize human flourishing and create good citizens. It has nothing to do with employment. STEM majors are receiving very little education - they are being trained. That's why we are a country overflowing with illiterates who hold bachelor's degrees. How is STEM degrees not being aimed at creating "good citizens" any different from other degrees? How does a business degree, art degree, foreign language, etc lead to someone being a "good citizen" that a mathematics, physics, medical, or engineering degree doesn't? Because they are not taught how to read books and think critically. I am a hard-core conservative when it comes to educational philosophy. There's only one way to get educated, and it involves starting with Plato, working forward, and then realizing that Plato was the wrong starting point. Yea, you either haven't taken STEM classes, or haven't taken college classes at all, because going from STEM to philosophy or English or history classes is like having Kobayashi eat 12 hot dogs in a day when it comes to reading volume and critical thinking.
We might not have the same thing in mind when we say the phrase "critical thinking"
Most humanities classes are criminally easy. Because they are, for the most part, service classes for illiterate STEM majors to fulfill their requirements and it's impossible to get those kids to read anything. I know, I've tried. They are too busy doing problem sets and working jobs to service their debt to spend any energy getting educated.
Humanities education in public universities is utterly dysfunctional. I'm in the thick of it.
If you took my class when I actually got to assign the amount of work that I thought was appropriate, I would have you reduced to tears. O-chem ain't got shit on me.
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On October 29 2015 09:04 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 08:55 notesfromunderground wrote:On October 29 2015 08:53 Chewbacca. wrote:On October 29 2015 08:41 notesfromunderground wrote:On October 29 2015 08:35 ticklishmusic wrote:On October 29 2015 08:35 notesfromunderground wrote:
It would just be nice if they threw in an education along with that B.S. in engineering What do you mean by that? I mean that job training is not the purpose of a college education. If that's the case, then I'm for the radical free market option - we should abolish public education and make companies pay to train their own employees. The purpose of education is to help realize human flourishing and create good citizens. It has nothing to do with employment. STEM majors are receiving very little education - they are being trained. That's why we are a country overflowing with illiterates who hold bachelor's degrees. How is STEM degrees not being aimed at creating "good citizens" any different from other degrees? How does a business degree, art degree, foreign language, etc lead to someone being a "good citizen" that a mathematics, physics, medical, or engineering degree doesn't? Because they are not taught how to read books and think critically. I am a hard-core conservative when it comes to educational philosophy. There's only one way to get educated, and it involves starting with Plato, working forward, and then realizing that Plato was the wrong starting point. Yea, you either haven't taken STEM classes, or haven't taken college classes at all, because going from STEM to philosophy or English or history classes is like having Kobayashi eat 12 hot dogs in a day when it comes to reading volume and critical thinking.
That is such bs. In uni before I changed course, I took 3 semesters of calc for engineering, the 3 you take when you test in to a faster graduate path (i tested in high). Same with chemistry. I only took one semester of physics though. I don't think the reading quantity and critical thinking played much of any role. It was rote learning.
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Having an engineer degree I confirm the lack of critical thinking involved n my formation, and the necessity of some serious science courses to form critical thinking. We'd get less dumb sociology students if they knew a bit about maths beyond computing an average (I'd have heard less about Pythagore theorem being a social construct), but that really isn't the proof of the superiority of maths courses, they're really good at forming monkeys and sociopaths.
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On October 29 2015 09:07 notesfromunderground wrote:
If you took my class when I actually got to assign the amount of work that I thought was appropriate, I would have you reduced to tears. O-chem ain't got shit on me.
When I went from Calc and Chem to Kant for a semester, this hit hard. Don't underestimate how hard it is to read, let alone understand the writings of Kant in one semester of college.
STEM majors love to dismiss this shit, but I challenge them to get through a semester on logical positivism and symbolic logic going from Freud on through Kripke. That shit will wipe you out.
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I think you mean Frege 
(but that sounds like my kinda logic, Freud to Kripke...)
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What is your greatest weakness? Why, thank you for the question. I suppose it must be that I am too awesome, just like this country.
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On October 29 2015 09:20 notesfromunderground wrote:I think you mean Frege (but that sounds like my kinda logic, Freud to Kripke...)
LOL, woops. Had too many beers it seems.
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On October 29 2015 09:18 frazzle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 09:07 notesfromunderground wrote:
If you took my class when I actually got to assign the amount of work that I thought was appropriate, I would have you reduced to tears. O-chem ain't got shit on me. When I went from Calc and Chem to Kant for a semester, this hit hard. Don't underestimate how hard it is to read, let alone understand the writings of Kant in one semester of college. STEM majors love to dismiss this shit, but I challenge them to get through a semester on logical positivism and symbolic logic going from Freud on through Kripke. That shit will wipe you out.
Reading algebraic geometry horror books and physics course are probably the only reason I got something out of Kant though, great preparation and motivation.
The more I teach, the more I think our system is bullshitty to the core, and I don't think the differences between France and the US are of much importance :/
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Was that "I'll be the guy who will drive you home" supposed to be a joke
Also if Christie thinks Bernie will raise our taxes to 90% he's crazy
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"Is this a comic book Presidency, Mr. Trump?"
Dah fuck?
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I wish I could vote against the people who failed to answer the question, but it's not the primary I vote in (I think)
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Does Trump know when the Great Wall of China was built and how effective it has been historically? Serious question.
Also holy cow he sounds whiny tonight
Carson if you get rid of the loopholes the deficit gets WORSE, you understand that right?
Meanwhile Kasich (Cruz? I remember) is trying to make enemies so his name gets used more.
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Carson proving his usual inability to actually understand the math properly.
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Skipped everything I missed so I could say TELL EM KASICH!
roflmao
Anyone think the republican party is going to hear this?
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Kasich really wants Democrats to love him huh.
Trump responding with insults of course.
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God this is like watching a bunch of monkeys scream and throw shit at each other.
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I'm sure Carson talking and acting slow and calmly is great for a brain surgeon, but it makes him seem like he's had massive head trauma.
Did she just call people retarded?
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I would be a bigger fan of their method of leveling the playing field if it didn't involve regressive taxation like flat taxes.
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