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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24145 Posts
October 29 2015 00:48 GMT
#48961
I love how Cruz was clearly surprised his line worked so well. Not sure how losing the argument to the moderator will play.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 00:51:15
October 29 2015 00:48 GMT
#48962
Oh geez, they're already complaining about the moderators. This next hour is gonna be an awkward

Edit: In light of the mod note at the top of the thread, I'll just say that I've never posted in this thread before, and I assumed it could be treated more or less like an LR thread during the debate. If that's frowned upon, my apologies
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 29 2015 00:48 GMT
#48963
I loathe cruz, and still think it's almost worth kicking him out of the senate.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 29 2015 00:49 GMT
#48964
Welp. Rand just wasted the only question he's going to be asked this whole debate durdling.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24145 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 00:52:20
October 29 2015 00:51 GMT
#48965
On October 29 2015 09:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
One could argue if that was the KO for the Bush campaign...

It's over for Bush, just a matter of how long they can keep the paychecks flowing to the consultants. (aka How fast can we burn through this money before people figure out they donated to a dumpster fire that's just burning to pay us out).

Probably establishment folks on the phone with Rubio folks right now.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
October 29 2015 00:51 GMT
#48966
On October 29 2015 09:49 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Welp. Rand just wasted the only question he's going to be asked this whole debate durdling.

I thought his answer towed his policy line well and would resonate with, well, Rand Paul supporters
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
October 29 2015 00:53 GMT
#48967
Am I wrong, or isn't Social Security solvent through say 2035, then pays out 75% after with no changes? You can't call that "Social Security will be gone"?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 00:53:59
October 29 2015 00:53 GMT
#48968
I'll be surprised if Rubio's not doubling Bush in the betting markets after this debate.

On October 29 2015 09:51 frazzle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 09:49 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Welp. Rand just wasted the only question he's going to be asked this whole debate durdling.

I thought his answer towed his policy line well and would resonate with, well, Rand Paul supporters


Tomato, tomato to me.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
October 29 2015 00:53 GMT
#48969
On October 29 2015 09:51 frazzle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 09:49 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Welp. Rand just wasted the only question he's going to be asked this whole debate durdling.

I thought his answer towed his policy line well and would resonate with, well, Rand Paul supporters

Yeah I'm not sure where he durdled (?).
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 29 2015 00:54 GMT
#48970
Rubio will get a boost of course. Also for Rand the bad thing is there is no students in the audience, they weren't allowed to come inside. Thus lack of applause/momentum for him.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 00:57:11
October 29 2015 00:56 GMT
#48971
On October 29 2015 09:53 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 09:51 frazzle wrote:
On October 29 2015 09:49 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Welp. Rand just wasted the only question he's going to be asked this whole debate durdling.

I thought his answer towed his policy line well and would resonate with, well, Rand Paul supporters

Yeah I'm not sure where he durdled (?).


Discussing your policy line with 0 applause, 0 zingers, 0 soundbites = durdling.

The chance any post-debate coverage airs a second of that answer approaches 0.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 29 2015 00:57 GMT
#48972
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 29 2015 00:57 GMT
#48973
Damn this debate is like a brawl. I've never seen moderators that are so blunt in attacking candidates and actually holding them accountable for what they say. Which, of course, leads to conflict because politicians don't like being held accountable for lying.

I found it pretty ironic when Fiorina went on that rant about "imagine if politicians were held criminally liable for lying to the public" when she blatantly lied about that fictional PP video in the last debate.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 01:01:48
October 29 2015 01:00 GMT
#48974
I'd favor politicians being held criminally liable for lying to the public
somehow I doubt it will be voted into law though.


trump should have a debt plan of bankruptcy, 'hey it worked for me!' just declare the country bankrupt and default. unconstitutional of course, but very trump
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
October 29 2015 01:01 GMT
#48975
On October 29 2015 09:53 frazzle wrote:
Am I wrong, or isn't Social Security solvent through say 2035, then pays out 75% after with no changes? You can't call that "Social Security will be gone"?


Of course you can. You would be wrong, but you certainly can call it that.
Yargh
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 01:02:50
October 29 2015 01:01 GMT
#48976
On October 29 2015 10:00 zlefin wrote:
I'd favor politicians being held criminally liable for lying to the public
somehow I doubt it will be voted into law though.


I'd talk about how the single greatest threat to democracy is people in power spreading demonstrably false information but I think it would officially make me a broken record.

This guy asking the drug question talks soooo weird. And Carson dodges the question with the grace of a morbidly obese buffalo.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 29 2015 01:02 GMT
#48977
On October 29 2015 10:01 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 10:00 zlefin wrote:
I'd favor politicians being held criminally liable for lying to the public
somehow I doubt it will be voted into law though.


I'd talk about how the single greatest threat to democracy is people in power spreading demonstrably false information but I think it would officially make me a broken record.

This guy asking the drug question talks soooo weird.

I don't think I've heard you say that too many times; I don't think it can be said too many times
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
October 29 2015 01:03 GMT
#48978
This is the worst debate I've ever seen. Questions are sharpened to a point, moderators can't keep the candidates in line and aren't even in sync with each other. If a candidate simply left the stage I would gain a lot of respect for them.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24145 Posts
October 29 2015 01:03 GMT
#48979
I have a feeling the fact checkers are just going to file the whole debate under "pants on fire/4 Pinocchios"
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 01:05:20
October 29 2015 01:03 GMT
#48980
Why does this current questioner talk soooooooo weird? It's getting under my skin.

Christie, you're an idiot, it's currently impossible to prosecute for price gouging in pharma. You need a new law and regulation first.
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