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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 29 2015 01:05 GMT
#48981
On October 29 2015 10:03 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Why does this current questioner talk soooooooo weird? It's getting under my skin.


Think his job is to scream at a TV camera for a living.
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frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
October 29 2015 01:05 GMT
#48982
LOL, why is Jim Cramer there? LOL
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23250 Posts
October 29 2015 01:05 GMT
#48983
Jeb's answer literally made no sense.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 29 2015 01:05 GMT
#48984
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 01:09:39
October 29 2015 01:06 GMT
#48985
On October 29 2015 08:55 notesfromunderground wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 08:53 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 29 2015 08:41 notesfromunderground wrote:
On October 29 2015 08:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
On October 29 2015 08:35 notesfromunderground wrote:
It would just be nice if they threw in an education along with that B.S. in engineering


What do you mean by that?


I mean that job training is not the purpose of a college education. If that's the case, then I'm for the radical free market option - we should abolish public education and make companies pay to train their own employees.

The purpose of education is to help realize human flourishing and create good citizens. It has nothing to do with employment. STEM majors are receiving very little education - they are being trained. That's why we are a country overflowing with illiterates who hold bachelor's degrees.


How is STEM degrees not being aimed at creating "good citizens" any different from other degrees? How does a business degree, art degree, foreign language, etc lead to someone being a "good citizen" that a mathematics, physics, medical, or engineering degree doesn't?


Because they are not taught how to read books and think critically. I am a hard-core conservative when it comes to educational philosophy. There's only one way to get educated, and it involves starting with Plato, working forward, and then realizing that Plato was the wrong starting point.


Just gonna hop back onto this discussion by quoting from a random point:

STEM has a bad rap for being heavily about memorization and frameworks. While maybe at a few places that is true, I think it is a mischaracterization about the vast majority of programs. The problem is that you have to walk before you can run let alone fly, and the waking part requires quite a large body of knowledge before you can get started on anything meaningful. For example, while I can understand clinical oncology pretty well, it took years to get to the point-- I had to take intro bio, genetics, biochem, microbio (and the various pre-reqs for some of those classes) before I could get to my cancer bio class.

Think of the beauty and logic in quantitative fields like physics, engineering and computer science-- think of how creative and how elegant solutions are to math problems that stand unsolved for hundreds of years, or the ingenuity it took to get a rocket into space. I can read about sort of how these things work and appreciate the human intellect for these things, but I can barely comprehend the mechanics and details of how all these things get done.

Did your wonderful, eye-opening humanities education let you see how amazing and creative STEM can be? Or is ignorance (or something else) the cause of your blindness?

PS. I probably read more books every year than you (if we want to measure dicks that way).
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 01:07:50
October 29 2015 01:06 GMT
#48986
On October 29 2015 10:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
Jeb's answer literally made no sense.


It made more sense than Christie's gibberish about pharmaceutical companies somehow being held criminally liable for "price gouging."

But still not much sense.

(also it's amazing that Fiorina actually has things exactly backwards with respect to pharmaceutical companies)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 29 2015 01:07 GMT
#48987
Jeb Bush is at the stage of his campaign where he is desperate for anything to stick, more face time = more time to possibly rescue his campaign. It doesn't have to make sense.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23250 Posts
October 29 2015 01:08 GMT
#48988
On October 29 2015 10:06 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 10:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
Jeb's answer literally made no sense.


It made more sense than Christie's gibberish about pharmaceutical companies somehow being held criminally liable for "price gouging."

But still not much sense.


I expected this to be a train wreck but WOW!, I'm not sure there is any shame left in the Republican party other than that of naked bodies.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 01:10:41
October 29 2015 01:09 GMT
#48989
Jesus Christ NBC what the fuck is this question to Rubio? Are you high?

Rubio's response is almost as dumb as the question. Not quite as bad though. "Those are discredited attacks by Democrats." Can't you discredit it?
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
October 29 2015 01:10 GMT
#48990
If I had to choose one of these characters, I might choose Paul. Or maybe Fiorina, if she didn't suddenly just make up a BS story about abortion videos.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 01:10:57
October 29 2015 01:10 GMT
#48991
You have to admit Marco Rubio has some political skill on the stage.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 29 2015 01:11 GMT
#48992
On October 29 2015 10:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
You have to admit Marco Rubio has some political skill on the stage.


I think he's downloaded skills on dodging questions from the Matrix.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
October 29 2015 01:11 GMT
#48993
He is a master bullshiter for sure.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 01:14:07
October 29 2015 01:13 GMT
#48994
How is spending money today and hoping you'll save money tomorrow functionally different from removing money from your budget today by cutting taxes hoping you'll get more money back tomorrow from job creation, anyway?

I mean both of them are functionally possible and very similar.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23250 Posts
October 29 2015 01:14 GMT
#48995
Damn are there any non-crappy men in Cruz's family?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
October 29 2015 01:14 GMT
#48996
what in the god damn fuck was that shit about Cruz' dad lmfao
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 01:18:23
October 29 2015 01:15 GMT
#48997
Every single policy of Obama is bad for women?

I find that extremely unlikely (particularly the ACA).

These moderators are actually such utter shit.
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
October 29 2015 01:20 GMT
#48998
On October 29 2015 10:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 08:55 notesfromunderground wrote:
On October 29 2015 08:53 Chewbacca. wrote:
On October 29 2015 08:41 notesfromunderground wrote:
On October 29 2015 08:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
On October 29 2015 08:35 notesfromunderground wrote:
It would just be nice if they threw in an education along with that B.S. in engineering


What do you mean by that?


I mean that job training is not the purpose of a college education. If that's the case, then I'm for the radical free market option - we should abolish public education and make companies pay to train their own employees.

The purpose of education is to help realize human flourishing and create good citizens. It has nothing to do with employment. STEM majors are receiving very little education - they are being trained. That's why we are a country overflowing with illiterates who hold bachelor's degrees.


How is STEM degrees not being aimed at creating "good citizens" any different from other degrees? How does a business degree, art degree, foreign language, etc lead to someone being a "good citizen" that a mathematics, physics, medical, or engineering degree doesn't?


Because they are not taught how to read books and think critically. I am a hard-core conservative when it comes to educational philosophy. There's only one way to get educated, and it involves starting with Plato, working forward, and then realizing that Plato was the wrong starting point.



Just gonna hop back onto this discussion by quoting from a random point:

STEM has a bad rap for being heavily about memorization and frameworks. While maybe at a few places that is true, I think it is a mischaracterization about the vast majority of programs. The problem is that you have to walk before you can run let alone fly, and the waking part requires quite a large body of knowledge before you can get started on anything meaningful. For example, while I can understand clinical oncology pretty well, it took years to get to the point-- I had to take intro bio, genetics, biochem, microbio (and the various pre-reqs for some of those classes) before I could get to my cancer bio class.

Think of the beauty and logic in quantitative fields like physics, engineering and computer science-- think of how creative and how elegant solutions are to math problems that stand unsolved for hundreds of years, or the ingenuity it took to get a rocket into space. I can read about sort of how these things work and appreciate the human intellect for these things, but I can barely comprehend the mechanics and details of how all these things get done.

Did your wonderful, eye-opening humanities education let you see how amazing and creative STEM can be? Or is ignorance (or something else) the cause of your blindness?

PS. I probably read more books every year than you (if we want to measure dicks that way).

I personally got sucked into my studies by a few classes. I used to mock people who weren't math/physics/chemistry types. But in uni, after having a few classes on shit I was never exposed to in high school, I found it hard to spend that too much time studying STEM courses. There was so much I had missed out on.

You are right though. STEM has its own beauty to it. I personally feel humanities courses should be offered more in HS so you get less of my reaction. When you get to uni you should have some basic grounding in logic, ethics, religion, sociology, pscychology, etc.
notesfromunderground
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
188 Posts
October 29 2015 01:21 GMT
#48999
On October 29 2015 09:48 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2015 07:34 notesfromunderground wrote:
I don't believe that what we are experiencing is a "secular economic trend" but I'm not sure arguing about it would be productive. I think your notion of fixing things by "restarting growth" is a denialist fantasy.

I'm to the point where I would rather blow things up than let the radical centrist washington consensus types continue to run us off a cliff. If we don't get Bernie I'm going to vote for Trump.

The problem is, I've just known too many rich people to believe in the category of "good rich." Dispossess them all and let God sort em out.

Would you vote for Trump because you think he'd change things for the better or because you think he'd be such a colossal disaster that he'd collapse the system? (I'm guessing the latter)


Mostly the latter. But he does sometimes display some common sense that the establishment candidates have brainwashed themselves out of
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-29 01:23:19
October 29 2015 01:22 GMT
#49000
The most pathetic part about this debate is that at the end of the day it doesn't actually matter whether anything the people on the stage is true or false because anything contradicting them will be a media conspiracy and anything supporting them will be dismissed as fake by enemies.

Just like the Democratic debate.
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