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What about Sanders is radical and senseless? All of this stuff he's saying would have been common sense 50 years ago, during the US' 'golden age.' The man's a centrist.
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On October 15 2015 03:20 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 02:06 Mohdoo wrote:
With regards to the debate,
I think Biden is officially out. Last night's debate was Sanders hoping that Clinton would do poorly enough that he or Biden could take over. Clinton did great. She was energetic, got a lot of great points in and overall conveyed a ton of confidence and capability. She has such a solid image of being the "stable, strong, reasonable" candidate that it was gonna take a lot for her to lose to the more wild Sanders. Biden has no opening at this point. He's officially out IMO.
I also can't list a single person who I have talked to who supports the idea of free college. Clinton comes closest to being reasonable by saying with 10 hours per week of work. I think free college is a really silly thing to prop up. Democrats need to jump off that boat real quick. Shut the fuck up about it, Sanders. I wasn't expecting the Clinton that showed up. She looked less plastic for once. I was also pleasantly reminded how fun it is to listen to two Democrats agree and nuance how capitalism needs to be reined in. Just re-listened to a couple segments and it's pretty fun. Fun in small doses. It puts in stark relief one aspect of the great political divide. Is the big economic issue protecting termed-vulnerable groups from the excesses of capitalism using government, or protecting the benefits of capitalism from the excesses of government? The costs of college have skyrocketed, that's part of the new "bubble" of student debt. All this at a time when a host of majors can't deliver on employability (blame the economy, the deficit of jobs for the liberal arts, or computer/robot automation). I'm expecting more to buy into taxpayer-funded college simply as a remedy to the out of control costs. Demonize the rich and corporations in rhetoric, stick the price tags on them. Maybe, because of the reticent like Mohdoo, they'll start with programs of assisted payment or student debt forgiveness. I think the Democrat base will eventually support the idea. I don't see them inventing other means of controlling the cost. Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 02:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 15 2015 01:12 KwarK wrote:On October 15 2015 00:54 MotherFox wrote:
I'm very wealthy, I don't understand why everyone doesn't just do what I did:
1) Be born with an aptitude for mathematics.
2) Go to college for a highly technical degree.
3) Get a good paying job.
4) Inherit a house at the age of 29
5) Marry into a family richer than yours, benefiting from even more inheritance
6) Never have to work another day in your life.
It's really quite easy to get rich in America.
Realistically speaking, though, most Americans are either not equipped to accumulate wealth or are not interested enough in wealth to do the things necessary to acquire it. I earn less than the median wage, I've only been in America for 18 months and I struggled with immigration issues for over half of that, I didn't inherit a house and I have separate finances to my wife. I'll openly acknowledge my privilege, I'm white, male, intelligent and I look the part, when I interview for a job I look pretty much like the guy they planned to hire. Not everyone has that but other people have advantages, like not having to fight for the right to work, that I didn't have. Ultimately though the system is not set up to give you a free ride if you weren't born to one. While it's unfair that the American system has effectively created an aristocracy that doesn't mean you have to accept a position at the bottom. The system isn't perfect, in many ways it's very dysfunctional, but life isn't going to wait for you while you fix it. You have to do what you can to work the system as it is while you try and improve it and for the vast majority of people struggling in America today there is more that you can do. Hell, my wife and I knew an online nerd through video games who had been homeless (squatting with one friend or another until they kicked him out) and unemployed for the better part of a decade. He also had pretty crippling health issues. We fronted the money to get him to our state and help him restart his life and it turned out that 95% of his problems were self inflicted due to learned helplessness. Problems like being unable to get government aid due to no state ID, no state ID due to no fixed address and so forth, unable to get VA medical care due to lost DD214 and unable to get new one due to no valid ID, no bank account all could be fixed. It took a day or so of me calling around the various organizations that were involved, speaking to higher ups and finding out exactly what documents they needed and I successfully hacked the system. We used the expired documents we had to get the first document, the first to get the second, the first and second to get the third and so forth. He's now working and paying for himself and while it's unlikely I'll ever get the money that I fronted him back, and to be honest I resent the hell out of that because he could change that if he really tried, I was able to turn around a decade of learned helplessness, homelessness, unemployment and government aid in about 2 weeks. The system is fucked. But this isn't a new system. You know the system is fucked. Everyone knows the system is fucked. The question is what are you going to do to work within the fucked system. Kwark, this is one of your posts that I really respect and want to throw in my two cents on how this system is fucked, but exactly what are you going to do about it? I've been on TL for a VERY long time and most of the mods here or posters know who I am and what I used to post around here. Obviously I was young and just posted a bunch of shit - but there were very troubling issues behind it. From birth to around age 11, I grew up in a six figure family, but the money brought a lot of issues in the house. My mom first took abuse from my father until I was able to realize at the age 11 we needed to leave and went from being six figure to $30k a year with my mother making the most of it. I grew up poor afterwards and didn't really care much for school (I worked under the table to help support the house), but I still had the joy of learning and experiencing new things which brought me to web development at an early age. I didn't go to college because my mother passed away after high school (I was homeless for quite a while with no real family around). I met a friend through SC a year prior to this, but he did not know the issues I was going through until I told him (needed to just vent) but he offered me a place to stay for free when he found out I was actually near him. This changed my life around completely, a random person from the internet offering me help? It might have been sketchy, but obviously I made sure I was safe prior to meeting and moving in. During this whole time, I did have a job (25hrs a week + side money from shitty graphic design jobs), but the money wasn't good enough to put me up into even a shared room. Rent is extremely expensive where I live, but this person turned it around for me. He gave me a place, where I was able to sleep and was able to shower daily. Because of this person, it opened my eyes on how I can better myself and really improve. I stayed with him only a month because that one month gave me enough time to get my shit together. I started pushing my old web development skills back up to be my trade. I now run two business and just joined a great company in order to grow their development department. What I've learned from people that are poor and or are always having some kind of issue, is the fact that they don't want to leave that lifestyle. Only you yourself can push yourself to be better and maybe with just a tap of a friend. I have so many friends from high school who always did better than me and now they're the ones with the dead end jobs because they choose that lifestyle. The system is fucked, but in reality you just need to learn on how you can fuck the system and become the person you want to be. EDIT: I actually came to talk about the democratic debate, who enjoyed it? Lol. Inspiring story, even if rather misplaced here.
Personally I don't even think we need to put the tag on the rich for something like education. I think if you tell people for ~$35 a year per taxpayer $35,000 if you pay taxes for 100 years we can afford to educate anyone who wants/deserves it they would take it. It should be a no brainer for people with children, those without I could see it being a tougher sale for but I would prefer to live in a neighborhood full of college graduates than not and ~$35 a year for it is chump change.
Anyone making over a million a year (outside of short term careers) needs to just stfu about paying more. They have gotten more out of the last 40 years than any other group of people hands down. I don't have an ounce of pity for those folks, my concerns are for people working 40hrs a week and still living below the poverty line. They are the ones getting hosed not some b/millionaire that has to give back a tiny fraction of the inordinate wealth redistributed upwards over the last 40 years.
That anyone making less than $250k buys that horse shit is part of the Stockholm syndrome standby mentioned before. Seriously people, wake up! We've been getting robbed for decades and now that we see them holding a pile of our stuff and we ask nicely for it back they spit on our faces and tell us to work harder.
On October 15 2015 03:30 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
Clinton supporters are tired of having to defend "scandal" after "scandal", so knowing Sanders isn't that type, but has all the good views Hillary purports to have without the baggage, he will become a more and more attractive option for them. I don't see Benghazi or emails as legitimate scandals. I think they are attempts to emphasize and shift reality. But as a whole, neither emails or Benghazi give me reason to second guess Clinton. Ties to wall st etc are legitimate, but scandals... there are no Clinton scandals in my eyes. I really don't think Sanders has "all the good views". I appreciate and respect his general view on who is winning, who is losing, and what direction our country needs to go. But I don't appreciate his radical, senseless perspective on how to get it done. Nothing he says is something I could reasonably see making it through the house and senate and becoming law. So while I appreciate his thoughts, I feel like I have no basis from which to formulate a theoretical Sanders presidency. No, state university will not be free. So, Sanders, what then? He doesn't say. He just makes up these beautiful scenarios of our socialistic utopia, but what good is that really? What separates his rhetoric from an episode of star trek? Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:20 Danglars wrote:On October 15 2015 02:06 Mohdoo wrote:
With regards to the debate,
I think Biden is officially out. Last night's debate was Sanders hoping that Clinton would do poorly enough that he or Biden could take over. Clinton did great. She was energetic, got a lot of great points in and overall conveyed a ton of confidence and capability. She has such a solid image of being the "stable, strong, reasonable" candidate that it was gonna take a lot for her to lose to the more wild Sanders. Biden has no opening at this point. He's officially out IMO.
I also can't list a single person who I have talked to who supports the idea of free college. Clinton comes closest to being reasonable by saying with 10 hours per week of work. I think free college is a really silly thing to prop up. Democrats need to jump off that boat real quick. Shut the fuck up about it, Sanders. The costs of college have skyrocketed, that's part of the new "bubble" of student debt. All this at a time when a host of majors can't deliver on employability (blame the economy, the deficit of jobs for the liberal arts, or computer/robot automation). I'm expecting more to buy into taxpayer-funded college simply as a remedy to the out of control costs. Demonize the rich and corporations in rhetoric, stick the price tags on them. Maybe, because of the reticent like Mohdoo, they'll start with programs of assisted payment or student debt forgiveness. I think the Democrat base will eventually support the idea. I don't see them inventing other means of controlling the cost. I think what will end up happening is a new form of debt repayment. Some loans already offer the ability to have your payment be some percentage of your income. I think it will become easier to just pay 10% of your income for 10 years and be done with it or something like that.
Now I get why he says it every time he speaks at any length. Sanders won't be working with the congress there now. 1st the congress we have is strongly related to 63% of people not voting in the midterm. That won't be the case with a Sanders nomination. In addition those in the senate will have a couple years to act right, if they fight Sanders (and the American people) the same people who elect Sanders plan to boot them out of office.
Sanders needs a political revolution to succeed and so does this country. There may be some dispute on what that revolution entails but anyone who thinks we can keep going without one in my humble opinion is straight up delusional.
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On October 15 2015 03:30 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:20 Danglars wrote:On October 15 2015 02:06 Mohdoo wrote:
With regards to the debate,
I think Biden is officially out. Last night's debate was Sanders hoping that Clinton would do poorly enough that he or Biden could take over. Clinton did great. She was energetic, got a lot of great points in and overall conveyed a ton of confidence and capability. She has such a solid image of being the "stable, strong, reasonable" candidate that it was gonna take a lot for her to lose to the more wild Sanders. Biden has no opening at this point. He's officially out IMO.
I also can't list a single person who I have talked to who supports the idea of free college. Clinton comes closest to being reasonable by saying with 10 hours per week of work. I think free college is a really silly thing to prop up. Democrats need to jump off that boat real quick. Shut the fuck up about it, Sanders. The costs of college have skyrocketed, that's part of the new "bubble" of student debt. All this at a time when a host of majors can't deliver on employability (blame the economy, the deficit of jobs for the liberal arts, or computer/robot automation). I'm expecting more to buy into taxpayer-funded college simply as a remedy to the out of control costs. Demonize the rich and corporations in rhetoric, stick the price tags on them. Maybe, because of the reticent like Mohdoo, they'll start with programs of assisted payment or student debt forgiveness. I think the Democrat base will eventually support the idea. I don't see them inventing other means of controlling the cost. I think what will end up happening is a new form of debt repayment. Some loans already offer the ability to have your payment be some percentage of your income. I think it will become easier to just pay 10% of your income for 10 years and be done with it or something like that.
I have some crazy idea how to repay student loans, which might never fly in this country but whatever: have a negative interest rate on student loans and it has no impact on personal credit, in exchange repayment is directly tied to income. This way if you have a successful career after college, the loan is automatically paid as an addition on your taxes, but if you happens to flounder around, you don't need to worry about it and it disappears after a few decades. Obviously the challenge is how to pay for it, and how to stop / reverse the tuition skyrocketing, but I think it's a better alternative than free college education which isn't realistic in a country this size.
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On October 15 2015 03:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 02:52 oneofthem wrote:On October 15 2015 01:57 KwarK wrote:
It's pretty great when you're married, two incomes no kids in a low cost of living area. It lowers the already low cost of living, makes cooking your own meals better and you get an awesome roommate. Would recommend. move to new york New York is a choice. If life sucks in New York then the answer isn't that life must inevitably suck, it's that you should leave New York. Come to Albuquerque, I'll buy you a drink.
nah new york is not replaceable for me i dont like rural places. point is the grind of life is more of a problem for people facing higher cost of living, worse if they have no mobility such as when they are confined to ethnic ghettos or whatnot.
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On October 15 2015 03:30 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
Clinton supporters are tired of having to defend "scandal" after "scandal", so knowing Sanders isn't that type, but has all the good views Hillary purports to have without the baggage, he will become a more and more attractive option for them. I don't see Benghazi or emails as legitimate scandals. I think they are attempts to emphasize and shift reality. But as a whole, neither emails or Benghazi give me reason to second guess Clinton. Ties to wall st etc are legitimate, but scandals... there are no Clinton scandals in my eyes. I really don't think Sanders has "all the good views". I appreciate and respect his general view on who is winning, who is losing, and what direction our country needs to go. But I don't appreciate his radical, senseless perspective on how to get it done. Nothing he says is something I could reasonably see making it through the house and senate and becoming law. So while I appreciate his thoughts, I feel like I have no basis from which to formulate a theoretical Sanders presidency. No, state university will not be free. So, Sanders, what then? He doesn't say. He just makes up these beautiful scenarios of our socialistic utopia, but what good is that really? What separates his rhetoric from an episode of star trek? Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:20 Danglars wrote:On October 15 2015 02:06 Mohdoo wrote:
With regards to the debate,
I think Biden is officially out. Last night's debate was Sanders hoping that Clinton would do poorly enough that he or Biden could take over. Clinton did great. She was energetic, got a lot of great points in and overall conveyed a ton of confidence and capability. She has such a solid image of being the "stable, strong, reasonable" candidate that it was gonna take a lot for her to lose to the more wild Sanders. Biden has no opening at this point. He's officially out IMO.
I also can't list a single person who I have talked to who supports the idea of free college. Clinton comes closest to being reasonable by saying with 10 hours per week of work. I think free college is a really silly thing to prop up. Democrats need to jump off that boat real quick. Shut the fuck up about it, Sanders. The costs of college have skyrocketed, that's part of the new "bubble" of student debt. All this at a time when a host of majors can't deliver on employability (blame the economy, the deficit of jobs for the liberal arts, or computer/robot automation). I'm expecting more to buy into taxpayer-funded college simply as a remedy to the out of control costs. Demonize the rich and corporations in rhetoric, stick the price tags on them. Maybe, because of the reticent like Mohdoo, they'll start with programs of assisted payment or student debt forgiveness. I think the Democrat base will eventually support the idea. I don't see them inventing other means of controlling the cost. I think what will end up happening is a new form of debt repayment. Some loans already offer the ability to have your payment be some percentage of your income. I think it will become easier to just pay 10% of your income for 10 years and be done with it or something like that.
The new form of debt repayment is as shitty as the old one. I still have my debt and my interest rate never even changed. Obviously it's suppose to be a repayment based on your income, but let's put it this way, the minimum amount owed is less than what they charge you for interest. Suppose you need to pay $120 a month (minimum), you obviously pay a lot more because when they charge the interest (which is also monthly); It ends up being the same amount as the minimum, how the fuck does that make sense? So the person who ends up paying the minimum because they don't know any better will never end the school loan debt and it turns into a vicious cycle.
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I suppose it should be mentioned that once this debate chatter dies down America will again be reminded that the Republican party that wants to lead the country still can't find anyone to lead the house.
EDIT:
That was most certainly his last debate.
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On October 15 2015 03:41 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:30 Mohdoo wrote:On October 15 2015 03:20 Danglars wrote:On October 15 2015 02:06 Mohdoo wrote:
With regards to the debate,
I think Biden is officially out. Last night's debate was Sanders hoping that Clinton would do poorly enough that he or Biden could take over. Clinton did great. She was energetic, got a lot of great points in and overall conveyed a ton of confidence and capability. She has such a solid image of being the "stable, strong, reasonable" candidate that it was gonna take a lot for her to lose to the more wild Sanders. Biden has no opening at this point. He's officially out IMO.
I also can't list a single person who I have talked to who supports the idea of free college. Clinton comes closest to being reasonable by saying with 10 hours per week of work. I think free college is a really silly thing to prop up. Democrats need to jump off that boat real quick. Shut the fuck up about it, Sanders. The costs of college have skyrocketed, that's part of the new "bubble" of student debt. All this at a time when a host of majors can't deliver on employability (blame the economy, the deficit of jobs for the liberal arts, or computer/robot automation). I'm expecting more to buy into taxpayer-funded college simply as a remedy to the out of control costs. Demonize the rich and corporations in rhetoric, stick the price tags on them. Maybe, because of the reticent like Mohdoo, they'll start with programs of assisted payment or student debt forgiveness. I think the Democrat base will eventually support the idea. I don't see them inventing other means of controlling the cost. I think what will end up happening is a new form of debt repayment. Some loans already offer the ability to have your payment be some percentage of your income. I think it will become easier to just pay 10% of your income for 10 years and be done with it or something like that. I have some crazy idea how to repay student loans, which might never fly in this country but whatever: have a negative interest rate on student loans and it has no impact on personal credit, in exchange repayment is directly tied to income. This way if you have a successful career after college, the loan is automatically paid as an addition on your taxes, but if you happens to flounder around, you don't need to worry about it and it disappears after a few decades. Obviously the challenge is how to pay for it, and how to stop / reverse the tuition skyrocketing, but I think it's a better alternative than free college education which isn't realistic in a country this size.
Why is the size of the country in any way relevant to this? Is it really that much harder to do something like that in a 300m country than in an 80m country like Germany?
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On October 15 2015 03:41 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:30 Mohdoo wrote:On October 15 2015 03:20 Danglars wrote:On October 15 2015 02:06 Mohdoo wrote:
With regards to the debate,
I think Biden is officially out. Last night's debate was Sanders hoping that Clinton would do poorly enough that he or Biden could take over. Clinton did great. She was energetic, got a lot of great points in and overall conveyed a ton of confidence and capability. She has such a solid image of being the "stable, strong, reasonable" candidate that it was gonna take a lot for her to lose to the more wild Sanders. Biden has no opening at this point. He's officially out IMO.
I also can't list a single person who I have talked to who supports the idea of free college. Clinton comes closest to being reasonable by saying with 10 hours per week of work. I think free college is a really silly thing to prop up. Democrats need to jump off that boat real quick. Shut the fuck up about it, Sanders. The costs of college have skyrocketed, that's part of the new "bubble" of student debt. All this at a time when a host of majors can't deliver on employability (blame the economy, the deficit of jobs for the liberal arts, or computer/robot automation). I'm expecting more to buy into taxpayer-funded college simply as a remedy to the out of control costs. Demonize the rich and corporations in rhetoric, stick the price tags on them. Maybe, because of the reticent like Mohdoo, they'll start with programs of assisted payment or student debt forgiveness. I think the Democrat base will eventually support the idea. I don't see them inventing other means of controlling the cost. I think what will end up happening is a new form of debt repayment. Some loans already offer the ability to have your payment be some percentage of your income. I think it will become easier to just pay 10% of your income for 10 years and be done with it or something like that. I have some crazy idea how to repay student loans, which might never fly in this country but whatever: have a negative interest rate on student loans and it has no impact on personal credit, in exchange repayment is directly tied to income. This way if you have a successful career after college, the loan is automatically paid as an addition on your taxes, but if you happens to flounder around, you don't need to worry about it and it disappears after a few decades. Obviously the challenge is how to pay for it, and how to stop / reverse the tuition skyrocketing, but I think it's a better alternative than free college education which isn't realistic in a country this size.
Its also really just a progressive tax for a subset of the economy. It may break up some of the college monopoly because potential high earners may be deterred from attending, thus creating a market for some kind of non-college accrediting system. But the reality is that all the loan stuff is treating a fever (fevers can kill don't get me wrong). The problem is that once you graduate high school, no one knows what you are capable of, and pre-employment tests are basically outlawed by our civil rights legislation, so the only way companies can legally determine who they should employ is by "SAT scores" ( what college you attended and the grades you got). So most kids in college are essentially paying 100k to indicate to employers what thier ACT/SAT/High school grades should be telling these employers.
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For those who initially wanted to compare Trump to previous front runners (Cain/Gingrich) here's a little tidbit that touches on my first reaction which was how long does he have to keep it before the right accepts that it's not the same at all?
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On October 15 2015 04:05 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 03:41 ragz_gt wrote:On October 15 2015 03:30 Mohdoo wrote:On October 15 2015 03:20 Danglars wrote:On October 15 2015 02:06 Mohdoo wrote:
With regards to the debate,
I think Biden is officially out. Last night's debate was Sanders hoping that Clinton would do poorly enough that he or Biden could take over. Clinton did great. She was energetic, got a lot of great points in and overall conveyed a ton of confidence and capability. She has such a solid image of being the "stable, strong, reasonable" candidate that it was gonna take a lot for her to lose to the more wild Sanders. Biden has no opening at this point. He's officially out IMO.
I also can't list a single person who I have talked to who supports the idea of free college. Clinton comes closest to being reasonable by saying with 10 hours per week of work. I think free college is a really silly thing to prop up. Democrats need to jump off that boat real quick. Shut the fuck up about it, Sanders. The costs of college have skyrocketed, that's part of the new "bubble" of student debt. All this at a time when a host of majors can't deliver on employability (blame the economy, the deficit of jobs for the liberal arts, or computer/robot automation). I'm expecting more to buy into taxpayer-funded college simply as a remedy to the out of control costs. Demonize the rich and corporations in rhetoric, stick the price tags on them. Maybe, because of the reticent like Mohdoo, they'll start with programs of assisted payment or student debt forgiveness. I think the Democrat base will eventually support the idea. I don't see them inventing other means of controlling the cost. I think what will end up happening is a new form of debt repayment. Some loans already offer the ability to have your payment be some percentage of your income. I think it will become easier to just pay 10% of your income for 10 years and be done with it or something like that. I have some crazy idea how to repay student loans, which might never fly in this country but whatever: have a negative interest rate on student loans and it has no impact on personal credit, in exchange repayment is directly tied to income. This way if you have a successful career after college, the loan is automatically paid as an addition on your taxes, but if you happens to flounder around, you don't need to worry about it and it disappears after a few decades. Obviously the challenge is how to pay for it, and how to stop / reverse the tuition skyrocketing, but I think it's a better alternative than free college education which isn't realistic in a country this size. Why is the size of the country in any way relevant to this? Is it really that much harder to do something like that in a 300m country than in an 80m country like Germany?
It's just much harder for a larger number with more diverse perspective to agree on something in general.
Just look how much easier for Germany to do something than for EU to do something (see Syrian refuge situation)
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You can't take Germany outside of the context of the EU, that it's part of a single market of 500 million people. While in the US, not only you would have to find enough white collar jobs for all of 300 million people, but the only high income open market would be the 35 million in Canada. The 200 million in Brazil are not only piss poor, but also very protectionist.
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Germany doesn't agree on that at all, its just Merkels hybris...
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On October 15 2015 04:40 Velr wrote:
Germany doesn't agree on that at all, its just Merkels hybris...
US as a whole is much more akin to EU than Germany in diversity and polarization though. And I didn't say German all agree, I said that they could actually do something, even when there is disagreement, which is not the case in US. There are a lot of people in US in powerful positions who would rather shoot self in the foot than help the opposition on common goals.
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On October 15 2015 04:35 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 04:05 Simberto wrote:On October 15 2015 03:41 ragz_gt wrote:On October 15 2015 03:30 Mohdoo wrote:On October 15 2015 03:20 Danglars wrote:On October 15 2015 02:06 Mohdoo wrote:
With regards to the debate,
I think Biden is officially out. Last night's debate was Sanders hoping that Clinton would do poorly enough that he or Biden could take over. Clinton did great. She was energetic, got a lot of great points in and overall conveyed a ton of confidence and capability. She has such a solid image of being the "stable, strong, reasonable" candidate that it was gonna take a lot for her to lose to the more wild Sanders. Biden has no opening at this point. He's officially out IMO.
I also can't list a single person who I have talked to who supports the idea of free college. Clinton comes closest to being reasonable by saying with 10 hours per week of work. I think free college is a really silly thing to prop up. Democrats need to jump off that boat real quick. Shut the fuck up about it, Sanders. The costs of college have skyrocketed, that's part of the new "bubble" of student debt. All this at a time when a host of majors can't deliver on employability (blame the economy, the deficit of jobs for the liberal arts, or computer/robot automation). I'm expecting more to buy into taxpayer-funded college simply as a remedy to the out of control costs. Demonize the rich and corporations in rhetoric, stick the price tags on them. Maybe, because of the reticent like Mohdoo, they'll start with programs of assisted payment or student debt forgiveness. I think the Democrat base will eventually support the idea. I don't see them inventing other means of controlling the cost. I think what will end up happening is a new form of debt repayment. Some loans already offer the ability to have your payment be some percentage of your income. I think it will become easier to just pay 10% of your income for 10 years and be done with it or something like that. I have some crazy idea how to repay student loans, which might never fly in this country but whatever: have a negative interest rate on student loans and it has no impact on personal credit, in exchange repayment is directly tied to income. This way if you have a successful career after college, the loan is automatically paid as an addition on your taxes, but if you happens to flounder around, you don't need to worry about it and it disappears after a few decades. Obviously the challenge is how to pay for it, and how to stop / reverse the tuition skyrocketing, but I think it's a better alternative than free college education which isn't realistic in a country this size. Why is the size of the country in any way relevant to this? Is it really that much harder to do something like that in a 300m country than in an 80m country like Germany? It's just much harder for a larger number with more diverse perspective to agree on something in general. Just look how much easier for Germany to do something than for EU to do something (see Syrian refuge situation)
Population size is not the cause of that. Democratic system is,
The power of a minority in the government is much greater in the US then in most (if not all) EU countries.
This prevents the few from stopping changes the majority agree with.
80m or 300m. 51% of votes is what you need.
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On October 15 2015 04:33 GreenHorizons wrote:For those who initially wanted to compare Trump to previous front runners (Cain/Gingrich) here's a little tidbit that touches on my first reaction which was how long does he have to keep it before the right accepts that it's not the same at all?
How long was Giuliani in first?
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On October 15 2015 04:46 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2015 04:35 ragz_gt wrote:On October 15 2015 04:05 Simberto wrote:On October 15 2015 03:41 ragz_gt wrote:On October 15 2015 03:30 Mohdoo wrote:On October 15 2015 03:20 Danglars wrote:On October 15 2015 02:06 Mohdoo wrote:
With regards to the debate,
I think Biden is officially out. Last night's debate was Sanders hoping that Clinton would do poorly enough that he or Biden could take over. Clinton did great. She was energetic, got a lot of great points in and overall conveyed a ton of confidence and capability. She has such a solid image of being the "stable, strong, reasonable" candidate that it was gonna take a lot for her to lose to the more wild Sanders. Biden has no opening at this point. He's officially out IMO.
I also can't list a single person who I have talked to who supports the idea of free college. Clinton comes closest to being reasonable by saying with 10 hours per week of work. I think free college is a really silly thing to prop up. Democrats need to jump off that boat real quick. Shut the fuck up about it, Sanders. The costs of college have skyrocketed, that's part of the new "bubble" of student debt. All this at a time when a host of majors can't deliver on employability (blame the economy, the deficit of jobs for the liberal arts, or computer/robot automation). I'm expecting more to buy into taxpayer-funded college simply as a remedy to the out of control costs. Demonize the rich and corporations in rhetoric, stick the price tags on them. Maybe, because of the reticent like Mohdoo, they'll start with programs of assisted payment or student debt forgiveness. I think the Democrat base will eventually support the idea. I don't see them inventing other means of controlling the cost. I think what will end up happening is a new form of debt repayment. Some loans already offer the ability to have your payment be some percentage of your income. I think it will become easier to just pay 10% of your income for 10 years and be done with it or something like that. I have some crazy idea how to repay student loans, which might never fly in this country but whatever: have a negative interest rate on student loans and it has no impact on personal credit, in exchange repayment is directly tied to income. This way if you have a successful career after college, the loan is automatically paid as an addition on your taxes, but if you happens to flounder around, you don't need to worry about it and it disappears after a few decades. Obviously the challenge is how to pay for it, and how to stop / reverse the tuition skyrocketing, but I think it's a better alternative than free college education which isn't realistic in a country this size. Why is the size of the country in any way relevant to this? Is it really that much harder to do something like that in a 300m country than in an 80m country like Germany? It's just much harder for a larger number with more diverse perspective to agree on something in general. Just look how much easier for Germany to do something than for EU to do something (see Syrian refuge situation) Population size is not the cause of that. Democratic system is, The power of a minority in the government is much greater in the US then in most (if not all) EU countries. This prevents the few from stopping changes the majority agree with. 80m or 300m. 51% of votes is what you need.
It's not just number, it's mostly different perspectives from a larger geography / population. What people in Northeast agree is good would not be necessarily shared by people in Southwest, and the bigger the size, the more different the experience would be. And it's never as simple as 51%, there are a lot of things more than 51% of people agree on but would never pass, which is not really a bad thing if you think about it.
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i just, for the first time, had a youtube session with donald trump.
He doesn't seem any worse than romney, perry or all the other guys from the last race. I can totally see him winning the republican debate and then blow up.
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Also, even if college is free, that does not mean that you suddenly have 300m people with college degrees. (If college actually means something). Not everyone is cut out for a university degree, and that is perfectly fine. If there are actually requirements to passing, that also means that some people will fail. To me, it makes a lot more sense to have the chance of getting a college degree tied to how good you actually are at the subject, how hard you work at it, etc..., as opposed to how much money your parents have.
And not everyone NEEDS a university degree. There are perfectly fine jobs for people without college degrees, some of them quite well-paying too. The world will always need plumbers, construction workers, etc...And those surely don't need to study for 3+ years in a university to do their job.
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On October 15 2015 05:38 Simberto wrote:
Also, even if college is free, that does not mean that you suddenly have 300m people with college degrees. (If college actually means something). Not everyone is cut out for a university degree, and that is perfectly fine.
Yeah, it is depressing just how many people I know who have families willing to pay tuition and living expenses and still don't get a degree. Dropping out for this reason or that reason...In the end, just not good enough. It's more common than people realize.
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