US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2313

On September 19 2015 01:59 Eliezar wrote:
On the Trump and vaccine's thing:

My kid's doctor also said that spacing out vaccines is important because there hasn't been sufficient testing and research on grouped vaccines.

So while I am 100% a believer that to go to public schools you need to be vaccinated, I also think nothing he said during the debate is out of line with a general responsible view on vaccines. People are looking for things that aren't there.

On September 19 2015 02:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I don't know enough about vaccines to refute the idea of spreading them out, and when he said that, I nodded along and thought "that's not an unreasonable position to have".

However, he posed anecdotal evidence that having many vaccines closely together causes autism, and has said in the past that vaccines cause autism. This is a very problematic movement, and presenting that conclusion with no evidence is both asinine and dangerous.

On September 19 2015 02:17 KwarK wrote:

Spreading something out isn't automatically a reasonable position to have. The current schedule is most likely the current schedule for a reason. If I offered to spread you evenly over the places you most often frequent that might sound reasonable enough to someone who was not familiar with the limits of organic lifeforms, indeed it might sound like basically no change because you already occupy those places in the same proportion when averaged over a few days. However I imagine you'd object to me doing it with a hacksaw.

Just because something sounds reasonable to the uninformed doesn't mean it's okay.

On September 18 2015 22:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I question the validity of the saying the "majority of Republicans" believe that. Maybe it's because I'm in New England, but is there a statistic that backs that claim up? (Question directed more at GH, I suppose)

A majority of Republican voters, 54 percent, think that President Obama is a Muslim, according to a new survey from the left-leaning Public Policy Polling (PPP).

Asked whether they thought Obama is a Christian or Muslim or if they were unsure, 32 percent said they were unsure. Fourteen percent said he was a Christian.

On September 19 2015 02:23 Slaughter wrote:
If you link vaccines to autism in anyway you are being ignorant. The scientific community wasted so much money/time/energy to showing that this link does not exist. But I guess its like climate change, people just don't give a fuck what science says.

On September 19 2015 02:39 Eliezar wrote:


This is a serious problem in discussion.

I have actually read through the vaccine case studies that showed that there was a higher percentage of people who got poison ivy (or something weird like that) after getting a vaccine than ended up with Autism (I'm talking like 500 page case study). However, if you are involved in the medical community then you know that we haven't tested everything. Here is an example for you: Say you are taking medicines A, B, C, and D. Every 2 medicine combination has been tested out of them, 99% of the time every 3 combination has been tested. However, when someone has a crazy response and you look...you are almost never going to have all 4 tested together. So the Pharmacist can't even help advice you...there hasn't been testing done.


Also, I was going along with the 97% of scientists agree that global warming is man made (although I think this entire sentence is stupid and not accurate at all). Then I read THIS WEEK an article from the Wall Street Journal that showed that the 97% figure seems to have no basis (I think it was from August of last year or something). As they dug it up they were finding numbers like around 60%.

But all of that is meaningless like the original sentence.

1) We know the earth will naturally get way warmer than it is now (we are in a cooler period).
2) We need to prepare for the earth to be a warmer place
3) We can look at Venus and see what happened there
4) We need to work for solutions that will help us deal with the warming earth and make sure we aren't accelerating the problem.

I think there is a problem of people being brainwashed by repeated statements and then trying to bully others to accept them when they are not necessarily fact. For instance, can someone point to a study that examined the autism rate of children who were given the combo vaccines vs children that had them spread out? Has that study even been done? That is how science works...we have to keep asking and keep looking.

For the record on autism, the strongest correlation in the US is days of rain fall to autism rate per the study I read in 2008. The researchers were suggesting that if there is something in the environment that causes it, that it might have something related to that and proposed studies on things like lack of sunlight, tv watching, etc that would be more common for children who couldn't go outside as much. Just an interesting thought.