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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 05 2015 03:58 GMT
#38561
On May 05 2015 12:56 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 12:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:22 oneofthem wrote:
i've read it and it says epa's estimate is in the tens of billions range from mercury


The EPA rule that is directly at issue before the Justices will cost the industry, it has said, some $9.6 billion a year, which, the companies contend, will buy very little public health benefit — $4 million to $6 million, at most. EPA has conceded the annual cost for the companies, but it estimates that this will yield — in dollar terms — benefits between $37 billion and $90 billion annually. - See more at: http://www.scotusblog.com/2015/03/argument-preview-epa-on-the-defensive-again/#sthash.fVfrDGsy.dpuf



seems rather wild to claim that the epa would agree to a 6m figure for non-co2 pollutants. there's nothing in that link about the amount from carbon you gotta come up withs omething else

Not saying that's the case here, but the EPA does put out benefit estimates that are, to be kind, speculative.


The EPA's mandate is human health, finances don't play any role in it IIRC? Whitman vs American Trucking.

Finances? I'm talking about their benefit estimates. You just cited some in your previous post.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 05 2015 04:00 GMT
#38562
On May 05 2015 12:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 12:22 oneofthem wrote:
i've read it and it says epa's estimate is in the tens of billions range from mercury


The EPA rule that is directly at issue before the Justices will cost the industry, it has said, some $9.6 billion a year, which, the companies contend, will buy very little public health benefit — $4 million to $6 million, at most. EPA has conceded the annual cost for the companies, but it estimates that this will yield — in dollar terms — benefits between $37 billion and $90 billion annually. - See more at: http://www.scotusblog.com/2015/03/argument-preview-epa-on-the-defensive-again/#sthash.fVfrDGsy.dpuf



seems rather wild to claim that the epa would agree to a 6m figure for non-co2 pollutants. there's nothing in that link about the amount from carbon you gotta come up withs omething else

Not saying that's the case here, but the EPA does put out benefit estimates that are, to be kind, speculative.

well i don't really think their numbers are that tight given the wide range of their estimate, but the basic objective is sound, get coal out of the power grid, at least the worst types. it's pretty low hanging fruit as far as environemntal regulation is concerned.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 05 2015 04:02 GMT
#38563
On May 05 2015 13:00 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 12:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:22 oneofthem wrote:
i've read it and it says epa's estimate is in the tens of billions range from mercury


The EPA rule that is directly at issue before the Justices will cost the industry, it has said, some $9.6 billion a year, which, the companies contend, will buy very little public health benefit — $4 million to $6 million, at most. EPA has conceded the annual cost for the companies, but it estimates that this will yield — in dollar terms — benefits between $37 billion and $90 billion annually. - See more at: http://www.scotusblog.com/2015/03/argument-preview-epa-on-the-defensive-again/#sthash.fVfrDGsy.dpuf



seems rather wild to claim that the epa would agree to a 6m figure for non-co2 pollutants. there's nothing in that link about the amount from carbon you gotta come up withs omething else

Not saying that's the case here, but the EPA does put out benefit estimates that are, to be kind, speculative.

well i don't really think their numbers are that tight given the wide range of their estimate, but the basic objective is sound, get coal out of the power grid, at least the worst types. it's pretty low hanging fruit as far as environemntal regulation is concerned.

In some cases it is low hanging fruit, in others it is high up the tree. The nature of the beast.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 04:11:41
May 05 2015 04:05 GMT
#38564
On May 05 2015 12:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 12:56 ticklishmusic wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:22 oneofthem wrote:
i've read it and it says epa's estimate is in the tens of billions range from mercury


The EPA rule that is directly at issue before the Justices will cost the industry, it has said, some $9.6 billion a year, which, the companies contend, will buy very little public health benefit — $4 million to $6 million, at most. EPA has conceded the annual cost for the companies, but it estimates that this will yield — in dollar terms — benefits between $37 billion and $90 billion annually. - See more at: http://www.scotusblog.com/2015/03/argument-preview-epa-on-the-defensive-again/#sthash.fVfrDGsy.dpuf



seems rather wild to claim that the epa would agree to a 6m figure for non-co2 pollutants. there's nothing in that link about the amount from carbon you gotta come up withs omething else

Not saying that's the case here, but the EPA does put out benefit estimates that are, to be kind, speculative.


The EPA's mandate is human health, finances don't play any role in it IIRC? Whitman vs American Trucking.

Finances? I'm talking about their benefit estimates. You just cited some in your previous post.


Wrong guy, first time chiming in on this issue

While I can accept that benefit estimates are probably off because the criteria for what is actually a benefit is so subjective, it's kind of a no brainer that reducing our reliance on coal is probably good for the environment.

It seems on one end the energy companies are using a number that only includes the bare benefits, like x less tons of carbon released times whatever the credit value per ton is, while the EPA does some estimate that includes x number of people don't get ill, their increased productivity, reduced medical costs, etc. The reality is hard to quantify, but going under the EPA's court approved mandate this is all just some finger waggling and semantics more or less. The reality is, far as I understand, as long as the EPA can pull out some scientific evidence that coal is bad (which is easy as making a pb&j), they don't necessarily need to quantify *how* bad it is (financially).
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46687 Posts
May 05 2015 04:15 GMT
#38565
On May 05 2015 12:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
Carly Fiorina is running for president, this is even more of a joke than the others I daresay


And Mike Huckabee lol.

Any more of these clowns and the Republican circus is going to need a bigger car.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 05 2015 04:32 GMT
#38566
On May 05 2015 13:02 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 13:00 oneofthem wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:22 oneofthem wrote:
i've read it and it says epa's estimate is in the tens of billions range from mercury


The EPA rule that is directly at issue before the Justices will cost the industry, it has said, some $9.6 billion a year, which, the companies contend, will buy very little public health benefit — $4 million to $6 million, at most. EPA has conceded the annual cost for the companies, but it estimates that this will yield — in dollar terms — benefits between $37 billion and $90 billion annually. - See more at: http://www.scotusblog.com/2015/03/argument-preview-epa-on-the-defensive-again/#sthash.fVfrDGsy.dpuf



seems rather wild to claim that the epa would agree to a 6m figure for non-co2 pollutants. there's nothing in that link about the amount from carbon you gotta come up withs omething else

Not saying that's the case here, but the EPA does put out benefit estimates that are, to be kind, speculative.

well i don't really think their numbers are that tight given the wide range of their estimate, but the basic objective is sound, get coal out of the power grid, at least the worst types. it's pretty low hanging fruit as far as environemntal regulation is concerned.

In some cases it is low hanging fruit, in others it is high up the tree. The nature of the beast.

obviously a fact dependent thing, but in this case it seems sensible.

i guess they could make some distinction between old and new coal plants, but hte new plants mostly have already made the changes so eh. would make one question the sincerity of that particular claim.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 05 2015 04:34 GMT
#38567
On May 05 2015 13:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 12:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:56 ticklishmusic wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:22 oneofthem wrote:
i've read it and it says epa's estimate is in the tens of billions range from mercury


The EPA rule that is directly at issue before the Justices will cost the industry, it has said, some $9.6 billion a year, which, the companies contend, will buy very little public health benefit — $4 million to $6 million, at most. EPA has conceded the annual cost for the companies, but it estimates that this will yield — in dollar terms — benefits between $37 billion and $90 billion annually. - See more at: http://www.scotusblog.com/2015/03/argument-preview-epa-on-the-defensive-again/#sthash.fVfrDGsy.dpuf



seems rather wild to claim that the epa would agree to a 6m figure for non-co2 pollutants. there's nothing in that link about the amount from carbon you gotta come up withs omething else

Not saying that's the case here, but the EPA does put out benefit estimates that are, to be kind, speculative.


The EPA's mandate is human health, finances don't play any role in it IIRC? Whitman vs American Trucking.

Finances? I'm talking about their benefit estimates. You just cited some in your previous post.


Wrong guy, first time chiming in on this issue

While I can accept that benefit estimates are probably off because the criteria for what is actually a benefit is so subjective, it's kind of a no brainer that reducing our reliance on coal is probably good for the environment.

It seems on one end the energy companies are using a number that only includes the bare benefits, like x less tons of carbon released times whatever the credit value per ton is, while the EPA does some estimate that includes x number of people don't get ill, their increased productivity, reduced medical costs, etc. The reality is hard to quantify, but going under the EPA's court approved mandate this is all just some finger waggling and semantics more or less. The reality is, far as I understand, as long as the EPA can pull out some scientific evidence that coal is bad (which is easy as making a pb&j), they don't necessarily need to quantify *how* bad it is (financially).

whoops, my bad, it's late here.

I've read before that the epa will do things like extrapolate from what is known, into what is unknown. So pollution above x level is known to have a negative health effect. EPA lowers pollution below x and assumes the benefits are tangible, even though there is no scientific evidence that the benefit exists.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10989 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 07:32:02
May 05 2015 07:30 GMT
#38568
On May 05 2015 13:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 12:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
Carly Fiorina is running for president, this is even more of a joke than the others I daresay


And Mike Huckabee lol.

Any more of these clowns and the Republican circus is going to need a bigger car.



I can't wait for this to start.
It will be so glorious/horrifying/sad/funny...
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
May 05 2015 08:44 GMT
#38569
The administration is turning Democrats off to TPP with all the secrecy:

If you want to hear the details of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal the Obama administration is hoping to pass, you’ve got to be a member of Congress, and you’ve got to go to classified briefings and leave your staff and cellphone at the door.

If you’re a member who wants to read the text, you’ve got to go to a room in the basement of the Capitol Visitor Center and be handed it one section at a time, watched over as you read, and forced to hand over any notes you make before leaving.

And no matter what, you can’t discuss the details of what you’ve read.

“It’s like being in kindergarten,” said Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.), who’s become the leader of the opposition to President Barack Obama’s trade agenda. “You give back the toys at the end.”

For those out to sink Obama’s free trade push, highlighting the lack of public information is becoming central to their opposition strategy: The White House isn’t even telling Congress what it’s asking for, they say, or what it’s already promised foreign governments...

“My chief of staff who has a top secret security clearance can learn more about ISIS or Yemen than about this trade agreement,” Doggett said.

Rep. Ron Kind (D-Wis.), who supports giving Obama fast-track authority, says the division among Democrats is between members who are looking for a reason to say no and those that are actually trying to work on the deal.

“They’ve been very engaging with Congress and to members who want to be in the room and engaging them on the text … so we can ask questions but, more importantly, so we can provide input,” Kind said.

As for Froman, Kind said, “he’s very cordial, he’s very respectful and listening to other people’s opinion. … I don’t get a sense of condescension and arrogance.”

Kind says he expects several more Democrats to announce their support for the president’s efforts in the coming days, some of them because of what they’ve heard from Froman.

Doggett insisted that the outreach is costing the White House support.

“The more people hear Ambassador Froman but feel they get less than candid and accurate answers, I think it loses votes for them,” Doggett said.

Basically it comes down to organized labor in the auto industry and allowing Japanese companies to operate more freely in the US. Which in exchange the Japanese have been willing to slaughter sacred cows on agriculture to allow more US imports.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 05 2015 11:13 GMT
#38570
seems like a win win
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 05 2015 13:08 GMT
#38571
Does anyone know of those restrictions are by the request of Japan's government? It seems odd, but I wouldn't be shocked.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 05 2015 14:37 GMT
#38572
On May 05 2015 13:34 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 13:05 ticklishmusic wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:58 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:56 ticklishmusic wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:49 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On May 05 2015 12:22 oneofthem wrote:
i've read it and it says epa's estimate is in the tens of billions range from mercury


The EPA rule that is directly at issue before the Justices will cost the industry, it has said, some $9.6 billion a year, which, the companies contend, will buy very little public health benefit — $4 million to $6 million, at most. EPA has conceded the annual cost for the companies, but it estimates that this will yield — in dollar terms — benefits between $37 billion and $90 billion annually. - See more at: http://www.scotusblog.com/2015/03/argument-preview-epa-on-the-defensive-again/#sthash.fVfrDGsy.dpuf



seems rather wild to claim that the epa would agree to a 6m figure for non-co2 pollutants. there's nothing in that link about the amount from carbon you gotta come up withs omething else

Not saying that's the case here, but the EPA does put out benefit estimates that are, to be kind, speculative.


The EPA's mandate is human health, finances don't play any role in it IIRC? Whitman vs American Trucking.

Finances? I'm talking about their benefit estimates. You just cited some in your previous post.


Wrong guy, first time chiming in on this issue

While I can accept that benefit estimates are probably off because the criteria for what is actually a benefit is so subjective, it's kind of a no brainer that reducing our reliance on coal is probably good for the environment.

It seems on one end the energy companies are using a number that only includes the bare benefits, like x less tons of carbon released times whatever the credit value per ton is, while the EPA does some estimate that includes x number of people don't get ill, their increased productivity, reduced medical costs, etc. The reality is hard to quantify, but going under the EPA's court approved mandate this is all just some finger waggling and semantics more or less. The reality is, far as I understand, as long as the EPA can pull out some scientific evidence that coal is bad (which is easy as making a pb&j), they don't necessarily need to quantify *how* bad it is (financially).

whoops, my bad, it's late here.

I've read before that the epa will do things like extrapolate from what is known, into what is unknown. So pollution above x level is known to have a negative health effect. EPA lowers pollution below x and assumes the benefits are tangible, even though there is no scientific evidence that the benefit exists.


What do you mean extrapolate from known into unknown?

The PPM limits and all that jazz probably have some basis in science--- it just becomes hard to quantify the financial benefit, and the fact there's a limit that takes practicality into account (because we ideally would have 0 sulfuric acid being emitted) is already reasonablish to me.

I'm not very versed in pollution health effects (was not covered in my immunology class, we went behind schedule), but IIRC there's a sort of logarithmic curve health quality/impacts plotted against pollution concentration, and the EPA tends to set the limit somewhere before the rapid increase. Of course, that's an idealized model with limitations etc. etc. etc. We can only really do so much research about it, the only real way to determine these inflection points (if they even exist) is to just monitor populations lol.

Let's say pollutant X the limit is established at 1000. How much "benefit" do you reap at say 500 vs 700 PPM? Both are under the limit, but how much better is 500 vs 700? Again, the criteria are subjective but ultimately irrelevant. The EPA has to regulate human health, cost benefit does not necessarily need to play a role in it. They already meet a standard of reasonableness with "practical" PPM limits.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 05 2015 16:54 GMT
#38573
Mike Huckabee, the Baptist minister who became Arkansas governor, announced Tuesday he'll run for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.

Huckabee made the announcement in his hometown of Hope, Arkansas.

"I am a candidate for president of the United States of America," he said.

During his announcement, Huckabee said that he would "conquer Jihadism" and protect Social Security. He also criticized the Supreme Court for potentially overturning bans on same-sex marriage. He also said that he favored term limits for individuals in all branches of the federal government -- including the judiciary.

"The Supreme Court is not the supreme being," he said.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
May 05 2015 17:53 GMT
#38574
Texas is something else...

School officials have declared an outbreak of chlamydia at a high school in Crane County, Texas, where the only sex-ed course is legally required to emphasize abstinence.

School district officials sent out letters to parents last week warning that 20 of Crane High School's 300 students have come down with the disease, which afflicts males and females but can cause permanent reproductive damage in the latter if left untreated, the Express-News reports.


Source
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
May 05 2015 18:05 GMT
#38575
1) Who is really surprised?
2) Chlamydia can also cause permanent reproductive damage in men if left untreated - just not as often.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
May 05 2015 18:21 GMT
#38576
if you're a liberal is there any reason not to vote Sanders in the primary? Hillary seems way too centrist to be able to capture most of the democratic voting base and is basically just bankrolled by wall street.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
May 05 2015 18:25 GMT
#38577
On May 06 2015 03:21 Chocolate wrote:
if you're a liberal is there any reason not to vote Sanders in the primary? Hillary seems way too centrist to be able to capture most of the democratic voting base and is basically just bankrolled by wall street.


...on that topic:

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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 18:48:03
May 05 2015 18:28 GMT
#38578
53 years ago today Malcom X responds to modern day Baltimore + Show Spoiler +
(actually a much worse situation)
, internalized racism and beyond...

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 20:41:38
May 05 2015 20:35 GMT
#38579
On May 05 2015 22:08 Plansix wrote:
Does anyone know of those restrictions are by the request of Japan's government? It seems odd, but I wouldn't be shocked.

No, it's entirely the Obama administration doing it because they want Congress to pass fast-track authority before the fact and avoid lengthy negotiations after a deal is struck, negotiations within the US that would almost certainly result in a long delay to ratify and could very likely fail.

What they really don't want is a repeat of the free trade deal with Korea, which the Bush administration had a deal in 2007 but it wasn't passed by Congress until Obama rammed it through in 2011.

EDIT: Japan has been an interestingly good ally to the US in NOT asking for things like this, things the US might not want to do or oppose in principle. It's in the same vein as pointing out that Abe's visit to Washington last week was pretty unique for a US ally because he didn't come to complain about US policies, lecture the US about human rights, or ask for money. As opposed to someone like Netanyahu who did all three.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 05 2015 20:38 GMT
#38580
On May 06 2015 03:21 Chocolate wrote:
if you're a liberal is there any reason not to vote Sanders in the primary? Hillary seems way too centrist to be able to capture most of the democratic voting base and is basically just bankrolled by wall street.


Not really, they hold virtually the same position on every issue. She has a 10.4 from the national taxpayers union, he has a 9.4, meaning they basically want to spend the same amount of money and raises taxes the same amount. Its purely a difference in rhetorical style. http://www.ntu.org/state/legislator/hillary-clinton http://www.ntu.org/state/legislator/bernard-sanders-2
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