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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45089 Posts
May 04 2015 23:10 GMT
#38521
On May 05 2015 08:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Speaking of Texas...

Show nested quote +
Wal-Mart issued a statement Monday to TPM dismissing "rumors" that tunnels were being built by the U.S. military beneath closed stores in an attempt to launch a takeover of Texas.

"There’s no truth to the rumors," Wal-Mart spokesperson Lorenzo Lopez told TPM via email.

The tunnels are part of a series of conspiracy theories surrounding "Jade Helm 15," a military training operation set to take place later this year in seven Western states. The conspiracy theorists have said the operation may be part of a covert attempt to takeover Texas and other states.

In response to the theories, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) last week issued an order for the state guard to monitor the U.S. military — a decision he defended on Monday.


Source


I hear it's how they're transporting the Loch Ness Monster and Voldemort's basilisk. Good thing Texas is on it!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 04 2015 23:26 GMT
#38522
Living down to our worst expectations, the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology voted Thursday to cut deeply into NASA's budget for Earth science, in a clear swipe at the study of climate change.

The committee's markup of the NASA authorization bill for fiscal 2016 and 2017 passed on a party-line vote, Republicans in the majority. The action followed what appears to be a deliberate attempt to keep Democrats out of the loop. According to Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), the committee's ranking Democrat, her caucus "did not even know [the markup] existed before last Friday. ... After we saw the bill, we understood why."

As outlined by Marcia Smith at SpacePolicyOnline, the measure would cut NASA's Earth science budget to at most $1.45 billion in fiscal 2016, from $1.77 billion currently -- a cut of $323 million, or nearly 20%. Under some circumstances, the budget could shrink even further to $1.2 billion, a cut of nearly one-third. Compared with President Obama's request for fiscal 2016, which is $1.95 billion, the proposal would amount to a cut of at least 26%.

The budget plan perfectly reflects the House GOP's glorification of space exploration, which masks its disdain for research on climate change. Unsurprisingly, it has created consternation among experts. The American Geophysical Union observed just before the vote that NASA's Earth science programs involve more than the study of climate change as such, but "provide a basis for knowledge and understanding of natural hazards, weather forecasting, air quality, and water availability."

The Earth Science division, the organization continued, helped monitor the movement of oil into Gulf of Mexico coastal waters after the 2010 Deepwater Horizon explosion, track severe storms and tornadoes, and assisted with flood predictions and earthquake response.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45089 Posts
May 04 2015 23:32 GMT
#38523
On May 05 2015 08:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Living down to our worst expectations, the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology voted Thursday to cut deeply into NASA's budget for Earth science, in a clear swipe at the study of climate change.

The committee's markup of the NASA authorization bill for fiscal 2016 and 2017 passed on a party-line vote, Republicans in the majority. The action followed what appears to be a deliberate attempt to keep Democrats out of the loop. According to Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), the committee's ranking Democrat, her caucus "did not even know [the markup] existed before last Friday. ... After we saw the bill, we understood why."

As outlined by Marcia Smith at SpacePolicyOnline, the measure would cut NASA's Earth science budget to at most $1.45 billion in fiscal 2016, from $1.77 billion currently -- a cut of $323 million, or nearly 20%. Under some circumstances, the budget could shrink even further to $1.2 billion, a cut of nearly one-third. Compared with President Obama's request for fiscal 2016, which is $1.95 billion, the proposal would amount to a cut of at least 26%.

The budget plan perfectly reflects the House GOP's glorification of space exploration, which masks its disdain for research on climate change. Unsurprisingly, it has created consternation among experts. The American Geophysical Union observed just before the vote that NASA's Earth science programs involve more than the study of climate change as such, but "provide a basis for knowledge and understanding of natural hazards, weather forecasting, air quality, and water availability."

The Earth Science division, the organization continued, helped monitor the movement of oil into Gulf of Mexico coastal waters after the 2010 Deepwater Horizon explosion, track severe storms and tornadoes, and assisted with flood predictions and earthquake response.


Source


With so many committee members and leaders of government-run science programs explicitly denying realities like climate change, I'm not surprised (just depressed) that cuts like these occur.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 23:53:15
May 04 2015 23:52 GMT
#38524
On May 05 2015 08:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Speaking of Texas...

Show nested quote +
Wal-Mart issued a statement Monday to TPM dismissing "rumors" that tunnels were being built by the U.S. military beneath closed stores in an attempt to launch a takeover of Texas.

"There’s no truth to the rumors," Wal-Mart spokesperson Lorenzo Lopez told TPM via email.

The tunnels are part of a series of conspiracy theories surrounding "Jade Helm 15," a military training operation set to take place later this year in seven Western states. The conspiracy theorists have said the operation may be part of a covert attempt to takeover Texas and other states.

In response to the theories, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) last week issued an order for the state guard to monitor the U.S. military — a decision he defended on Monday.


Source


What the actual fuck. Lol I really want to be there when the state guard tries to monitor the military. "hey guys what ya doing....." Lmao Never change Texas.
Never Knows Best.
always_winter
Profile Joined February 2015
United States195 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-04 23:58:50
May 04 2015 23:54 GMT
#38525
The chair of the Senate Committee on the Environment and Public Works literally brought a snowball to Congress as proof global warming doesn't exist. These aren't so much our worst expectations as they are the most probable outcomes.

The most depressing part of this situation? These dumbfucks actually represent their constituencies: bible-thumping, hardline conservatives that would sooner look to an imaginary deity than allocate proper resources to find real, human solutions. We won't see meaningful change in this country for quite some time.

Edit: Whenever I hear the new tourism slogan on the Hulu commercials: "Texas...It's like a whole other country," the first thing that comes to mind is...."Can it be?"
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 05 2015 00:12 GMT
#38526
Pity the system isn't designed to screen people like that out of high public office.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 05 2015 00:14 GMT
#38527
On May 05 2015 09:12 zlefin wrote:
Pity the system isn't designed to screen people like that out of high public office.

it's called voting, the problem is, voters are just as stupid as the people they elect.

just a reminder, 100 iq is average. 50% of the population is BELOW a 3 digit iq. lol, think about that for a second.
Our governing body is elected by a majority of people who's iq is below 100.
liftlift > tsm
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 05 2015 00:15 GMT
#38528
voting is not a mechanism designed to screen people like that out.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45089 Posts
May 05 2015 00:17 GMT
#38529
On May 05 2015 09:12 zlefin wrote:
Pity the system isn't designed to screen people like that out of high public office.


It would be nice if candidates had to take some sort of relevance exam to show that they at least understand the fundamentals of the position they're being nominated for.

That, and we should totally have some sort of test to be eligible to vote as well.

And I think it'd be interesting if we removed the words Republican and Democrat from the voting screen/ paper, so that people are more likely to vote based on the name rather than the party.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 05 2015 00:19 GMT
#38530
On May 05 2015 09:15 zlefin wrote:
voting is not a mechanism designed to screen people like that out.

voting is essentially an oversized committee who votes on who is the most qualified candidate, obviously gerrymandering and having people run unopposed is an issue, but my point still stands.
liftlift > tsm
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45089 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 00:26:28
May 05 2015 00:21 GMT
#38531
On May 05 2015 09:14 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 09:12 zlefin wrote:
Pity the system isn't designed to screen people like that out of high public office.

it's called voting, the problem is, voters are just as stupid as the people they elect.

just a reminder, 100 iq is average. 50% of the population is BELOW a 3 digit iq. lol, think about that for a second.
Our governing body is elected by a majority of people who's iq is below 100.


To be fair, IQs and IQ tests are always restandardized so that the population mean is 100. In other words, even if the whole population jumped up a few intelligence points, it would still be modified so that the mean is 100. It's called the Flynn effect. After recalibration, IQ will always be relatively normal with mean 100, and the standard deviation is typically around 15 points iirc.

Also, I'm sure plenty of government officials and citizens have an IQ above 100 but still reject science and facts for random political or religious reasons (or a lack of experience in the field, for that matter).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 00:25:56
May 05 2015 00:22 GMT
#38532
On May 05 2015 09:19 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 09:15 zlefin wrote:
voting is not a mechanism designed to screen people like that out.

voting is essentially an oversized committee who votes on who is the most qualified candidate, obviously gerrymandering and having people run unopposed is an issue, but my point still stands.

no, your point doesn't stand; it's simply NOT a mechanism designed to do that.
it doesn't measure qualification, it measures popular support and speaking ability.
and it's not meant to screen for understanding of complicated issues, or any sort of high level ability.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 05 2015 00:26 GMT
#38533
On May 05 2015 08:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Living down to our worst expectations, the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology voted Thursday to cut deeply into NASA's budget for Earth science, in a clear swipe at the study of climate change.

The committee's markup of the NASA authorization bill for fiscal 2016 and 2017 passed on a party-line vote, Republicans in the majority. The action followed what appears to be a deliberate attempt to keep Democrats out of the loop. According to Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas), the committee's ranking Democrat, her caucus "did not even know [the markup] existed before last Friday. ... After we saw the bill, we understood why."

As outlined by Marcia Smith at SpacePolicyOnline, the measure would cut NASA's Earth science budget to at most $1.45 billion in fiscal 2016, from $1.77 billion currently -- a cut of $323 million, or nearly 20%. Under some circumstances, the budget could shrink even further to $1.2 billion, a cut of nearly one-third. Compared with President Obama's request for fiscal 2016, which is $1.95 billion, the proposal would amount to a cut of at least 26%.

The budget plan perfectly reflects the House GOP's glorification of space exploration, which masks its disdain for research on climate change. Unsurprisingly, it has created consternation among experts. The American Geophysical Union observed just before the vote that NASA's Earth science programs involve more than the study of climate change as such, but "provide a basis for knowledge and understanding of natural hazards, weather forecasting, air quality, and water availability."

The Earth Science division, the organization continued, helped monitor the movement of oil into Gulf of Mexico coastal waters after the 2010 Deepwater Horizon explosion, track severe storms and tornadoes, and assisted with flood predictions and earthquake response.


Source


Seems to me that NASA has run its course as an agency. Time to shutter it, put the military aspects within DOD explicitly then, if wanted, create a climate change agency plus a Mars exploration agency.

This is really just pure beaurocratic mission creep at IRS worst.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 05 2015 00:26 GMT
#38534
On May 05 2015 09:22 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 09:19 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2015 09:15 zlefin wrote:
voting is not a mechanism designed to screen people like that out.

voting is essentially an oversized committee who votes on who is the most qualified candidate, obviously gerrymandering and having people run unopposed is an issue, but my point still stands.

no, your point doesn't stand; it's simply NOT a mechanism designed to do that.
it doesn't measure qualification, it measures popular support and speaking ability.
and it's not meant to screen for understanding of complicated issues, or any sort of high level ability.

again, it's supposed to measure qualification, the problem is people are dumb and get hamstrung by popularity contest and charisma that it no longer doesn't.
liftlift > tsm
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23490 Posts
May 05 2015 00:31 GMT
#38535
On May 05 2015 09:26 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 09:22 zlefin wrote:
On May 05 2015 09:19 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2015 09:15 zlefin wrote:
voting is not a mechanism designed to screen people like that out.

voting is essentially an oversized committee who votes on who is the most qualified candidate, obviously gerrymandering and having people run unopposed is an issue, but my point still stands.

no, your point doesn't stand; it's simply NOT a mechanism designed to do that.
it doesn't measure qualification, it measures popular support and speaking ability.
and it's not meant to screen for understanding of complicated issues, or any sort of high level ability.

again, it's supposed to measure qualification, the problem is people are dumb and get hamstrung by popularity contest and charisma that it no longer doesn't.

I think I agree with you. But I get the point being made. I think he is talking about strictly voting. Whereas you are talking about voting with the additional qualifier of informed rational voters.

Which is what I think you meant in the first place, and the confusion is over meaning versus text.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 05 2015 00:35 GMT
#38536
On May 05 2015 09:26 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 09:22 zlefin wrote:
On May 05 2015 09:19 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2015 09:15 zlefin wrote:
voting is not a mechanism designed to screen people like that out.

voting is essentially an oversized committee who votes on who is the most qualified candidate, obviously gerrymandering and having people run unopposed is an issue, but my point still stands.

no, your point doesn't stand; it's simply NOT a mechanism designed to do that.
it doesn't measure qualification, it measures popular support and speaking ability.
and it's not meant to screen for understanding of complicated issues, or any sort of high level ability.

again, it's supposed to measure qualification, the problem is people are dumb and get hamstrung by popularity contest and charisma that it no longer doesn't.

dude, just stop arguing, you're not arguing against the point I made, so you're just being unhelpful.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 00:37:40
May 05 2015 00:36 GMT
#38537
I would also like to qualify my previous statement that charisma, and speaking ability can also act as qualification, especially in the area of politics, it's just matter of that and smaller issues having far bigger meaning than any reasonable well informed rational voter would put weight on.
On May 05 2015 09:35 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 09:26 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2015 09:22 zlefin wrote:
On May 05 2015 09:19 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2015 09:15 zlefin wrote:
voting is not a mechanism designed to screen people like that out.

voting is essentially an oversized committee who votes on who is the most qualified candidate, obviously gerrymandering and having people run unopposed is an issue, but my point still stands.

no, your point doesn't stand; it's simply NOT a mechanism designed to do that.
it doesn't measure qualification, it measures popular support and speaking ability.
and it's not meant to screen for understanding of complicated issues, or any sort of high level ability.

again, it's supposed to measure qualification, the problem is people are dumb and get hamstrung by popularity contest and charisma that it no longer doesn't.

dude, just stop arguing, you're not arguing against the point I made, so you're just being unhelpful.

i'm clarifying your point. no need to get so antsy about it.
liftlift > tsm
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 00:43:44
May 05 2015 00:42 GMT
#38538
no, you're not clarifying my point, not at all. From my PoV you're just being a jerk by misrepresenting what I say and continuing to needle on your pedantic and incorrect point. So you're simply being very rude, repeatedly so.

voting is not a system designed to screen out unsound argumentation.

Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 05 2015 00:51 GMT
#38539
I wonder how panel interviews work? oh yeah, people in the panel vote on whether or not someone is qualified to work for their company. Ideally that's how voting should work, just because it doesn't work out that way, doesn't mean the mechanism is at fault.
liftlift > tsm
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 01:43:25
May 05 2015 01:43 GMT
#38540
Are you still trying to respond to me? I'm assuming you're not, since it's unclear, and I'm trying to defuse the situation.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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