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BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 13:11:39
March 19 2013 13:10 GMT
#3421
On March 19 2013 18:56 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 22:04 Trainrunnef wrote:
On March 18 2013 17:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:38 HellRoxYa wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:33 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Obama proposes $2 billion plan for clean energy technology research

President Obama on Friday proposed taking $2 billion in royalties the government receives from offshore oil and gas leasing to fund research into clean energy technologies designed to lessen the nation’s dependence on fossil fuels to power cars and trucks.

Obama called for establishing an Energy Security Trust, which would divert $2 billion in federal revenue from oil and gas leasing toward clean energy research. The money would be invested in breakthrough technologies that ultimately, if successful, could remake America’s energy economy by weaning the transportation sector off oil.

Source

This is a good idea. I'm not sure how the numbers actually work but the core concept is spot on.

it's a terrible idea. why are we pouring money into things like this? why not spend 2 billion dollars less and give a 2 billion dollar tax-benefit to oil companies so that it is even more attractive to use fracking to drill the shale-oil fields?

$2 billion for research will create how many jobs? unemployment in the oil boom states is well below the national average, and in ND we are above full employment and will be for probably the next twenty years. can Obama's clean energy program boast anything even close to that?


Are we interested in the 5 year plan or the 20 year (and beyond) plan? Short term jobs are irrelevant to the issue.

I don't see any evidence that investing in inferior technologies in the vain hope of forcing them to be superior to have any kind of efficacy. further, I don't think the government needs to be involved at all. they are already spending too much and doing too much. they need to "back off a bit and set (their) cup down" to quote the Dogg.


Every piece of technology starts of as inferior (whether its because of cost or implementation), that kind of thinking is not really the best way to approach innovation IMO.

where in God's name did you get the idea that every piece of technology starts off as inferior? so the axle was inferior to whatever came before it?

further, technologies that start off as "inferior" didn't make it until someone figured out a way to make it superior. the market can and will do so without any help from the government. with the government spending 3+ trillion dollars a year, do we really need them to start deciding which technologies they are going to allow to become superior or not?

also, in response to a lot of other responses, I called for a tax-break, not a subsidy, of oil.


You know I just genuinely don't buy this, and it bugs me that people constantly throw this assumption out there like it's god-given fact.

And the point that people are making is that there's a lot of research needed to get technologies to the point where they could even be considered "inferior". Jesus christ, just think about computing. Do you really think that private companies would have pissed away money on those hulking and practically useless machines they designed early on in computing history if they didn't have state involvment? Or that the state (particularly the military-industrial complex) wasn't an integral part of the development of faster computers? Code-breaking in WW2? All of the research being done at state-funded universities....? Do you genuinely think you would be able to sit here and post ridiculous statements on a starcraft forum on your absurdly fast computer if it wasn't for government involement in the development of these industries?

Must we all drag up the Al-Gore internet fiasco?

And there is absolutely an argument FOR government helping initiate and fund R&D, particularly if the results of that research have societal benefits beyond making some random dude rich. In economist terminology, they're referred to as "externalities". And there's a pretty fucking good reason to think that there might be externalities associated with fossil-fuel production, not even including the effect of carbon on global warming (which is real).

Dat market....

Oh yeah, and it depends on what you mean by "tax-break". In effect, a tax break below the standard corporate tax rate is functionally basically a subsidy. They are largely (although not totally) similar. Again, there's some semantic issues involved there (e.g. one might argue that subsidies only occur when the government is actually "giving" them money while the company has an effective tax rate of zero), but in any scenario, hefty tax breaks for an industry with so many problems seems foolish to me.
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
March 19 2013 15:19 GMT
#3422
On March 19 2013 22:10 BallinWitStalin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 18:56 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On March 18 2013 22:04 Trainrunnef wrote:
On March 18 2013 17:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:38 HellRoxYa wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:33 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Obama proposes $2 billion plan for clean energy technology research

President Obama on Friday proposed taking $2 billion in royalties the government receives from offshore oil and gas leasing to fund research into clean energy technologies designed to lessen the nation’s dependence on fossil fuels to power cars and trucks.

Obama called for establishing an Energy Security Trust, which would divert $2 billion in federal revenue from oil and gas leasing toward clean energy research. The money would be invested in breakthrough technologies that ultimately, if successful, could remake America’s energy economy by weaning the transportation sector off oil.

Source

This is a good idea. I'm not sure how the numbers actually work but the core concept is spot on.

it's a terrible idea. why are we pouring money into things like this? why not spend 2 billion dollars less and give a 2 billion dollar tax-benefit to oil companies so that it is even more attractive to use fracking to drill the shale-oil fields?

$2 billion for research will create how many jobs? unemployment in the oil boom states is well below the national average, and in ND we are above full employment and will be for probably the next twenty years. can Obama's clean energy program boast anything even close to that?


Are we interested in the 5 year plan or the 20 year (and beyond) plan? Short term jobs are irrelevant to the issue.

I don't see any evidence that investing in inferior technologies in the vain hope of forcing them to be superior to have any kind of efficacy. further, I don't think the government needs to be involved at all. they are already spending too much and doing too much. they need to "back off a bit and set (their) cup down" to quote the Dogg.


Every piece of technology starts of as inferior (whether its because of cost or implementation), that kind of thinking is not really the best way to approach innovation IMO.

where in God's name did you get the idea that every piece of technology starts off as inferior? so the axle was inferior to whatever came before it?

further, technologies that start off as "inferior" didn't make it until someone figured out a way to make it superior. the market can and will do so without any help from the government. with the government spending 3+ trillion dollars a year, do we really need them to start deciding which technologies they are going to allow to become superior or not?

also, in response to a lot of other responses, I called for a tax-break, not a subsidy, of oil.

+ Show Spoiler +

You know I just genuinely don't buy this, and it bugs me that people constantly throw this assumption out there like it's god-given fact.

And the point that people are making is that there's a lot of research needed to get technologies to the point where they could even be considered "inferior". Jesus christ, just think about computing. Do you really think that private companies would have pissed away money on those hulking and practically useless machines they designed early on in computing history if they didn't have state involvment? Or that the state (particularly the military-industrial complex) wasn't an integral part of the development of faster computers? Code-breaking in WW2? All of the research being done at state-funded universities....? Do you genuinely think you would be able to sit here and post ridiculous statements on a starcraft forum on your absurdly fast computer if it wasn't for government involement in the development of these industries?

Must we all drag up the Al-Gore internet fiasco?

And there is absolutely an argument FOR government helping initiate and fund R&D, particularly if the results of that research have societal benefits beyond making some random dude rich. In economist terminology, they're referred to as "externalities". And there's a pretty fucking good reason to think that there might be externalities associated with fossil-fuel production, not even including the effect of carbon on global warming (which is real).

Dat market....

Oh yeah, and it depends on what you mean by "tax-break". In effect, a tax break below the standard corporate tax rate is functionally basically a subsidy. They are largely (although not totally) similar. Again, there's some semantic issues involved there (e.g. one might argue that subsidies only occur when the government is actually "giving" them money while the company has an effective tax rate of zero), but in any scenario, hefty tax breaks for an industry with so many problems seems foolish to me.

are you suggesting that only the wise and benevolent government could have seen the potential in developing computers? or are you suggesting that they sped up the process? I would obviously disagree with the first assertion, and find the second assertion to be pretty hard to prove either way. maybe they did, maybe they didn't. maybe without decades of anti-trust laws and burdensome regulation private corporations would have developed them faster. at the end of the day, the argument isn't really all that solid either way. besides, when were computers inferior to whatever technology preceded them, which was the assertion I was challenging? and if computers were just inferior to some other product, no amount of government research and spending would magically turn them into the superior product.

they should cut all corporate taxes.

My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
Madkipz
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway1643 Posts
March 19 2013 15:45 GMT
#3423
On March 20 2013 00:19 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 22:10 BallinWitStalin wrote:
On March 19 2013 18:56 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On March 18 2013 22:04 Trainrunnef wrote:
On March 18 2013 17:46 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:38 HellRoxYa wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:33 sc2superfan101 wrote:
On March 18 2013 07:26 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Obama proposes $2 billion plan for clean energy technology research

President Obama on Friday proposed taking $2 billion in royalties the government receives from offshore oil and gas leasing to fund research into clean energy technologies designed to lessen the nation’s dependence on fossil fuels to power cars and trucks.

Obama called for establishing an Energy Security Trust, which would divert $2 billion in federal revenue from oil and gas leasing toward clean energy research. The money would be invested in breakthrough technologies that ultimately, if successful, could remake America’s energy economy by weaning the transportation sector off oil.

Source

This is a good idea. I'm not sure how the numbers actually work but the core concept is spot on.

it's a terrible idea. why are we pouring money into things like this? why not spend 2 billion dollars less and give a 2 billion dollar tax-benefit to oil companies so that it is even more attractive to use fracking to drill the shale-oil fields?

$2 billion for research will create how many jobs? unemployment in the oil boom states is well below the national average, and in ND we are above full employment and will be for probably the next twenty years. can Obama's clean energy program boast anything even close to that?


Are we interested in the 5 year plan or the 20 year (and beyond) plan? Short term jobs are irrelevant to the issue.

I don't see any evidence that investing in inferior technologies in the vain hope of forcing them to be superior to have any kind of efficacy. further, I don't think the government needs to be involved at all. they are already spending too much and doing too much. they need to "back off a bit and set (their) cup down" to quote the Dogg.


Every piece of technology starts of as inferior (whether its because of cost or implementation), that kind of thinking is not really the best way to approach innovation IMO.

where in God's name did you get the idea that every piece of technology starts off as inferior? so the axle was inferior to whatever came before it?

further, technologies that start off as "inferior" didn't make it until someone figured out a way to make it superior. the market can and will do so without any help from the government. with the government spending 3+ trillion dollars a year, do we really need them to start deciding which technologies they are going to allow to become superior or not?

also, in response to a lot of other responses, I called for a tax-break, not a subsidy, of oil.

+ Show Spoiler +

You know I just genuinely don't buy this, and it bugs me that people constantly throw this assumption out there like it's god-given fact.

And the point that people are making is that there's a lot of research needed to get technologies to the point where they could even be considered "inferior". Jesus christ, just think about computing. Do you really think that private companies would have pissed away money on those hulking and practically useless machines they designed early on in computing history if they didn't have state involvment? Or that the state (particularly the military-industrial complex) wasn't an integral part of the development of faster computers? Code-breaking in WW2? All of the research being done at state-funded universities....? Do you genuinely think you would be able to sit here and post ridiculous statements on a starcraft forum on your absurdly fast computer if it wasn't for government involement in the development of these industries?

Must we all drag up the Al-Gore internet fiasco?

And there is absolutely an argument FOR government helping initiate and fund R&D, particularly if the results of that research have societal benefits beyond making some random dude rich. In economist terminology, they're referred to as "externalities". And there's a pretty fucking good reason to think that there might be externalities associated with fossil-fuel production, not even including the effect of carbon on global warming (which is real).

Dat market....

Oh yeah, and it depends on what you mean by "tax-break". In effect, a tax break below the standard corporate tax rate is functionally basically a subsidy. They are largely (although not totally) similar. Again, there's some semantic issues involved there (e.g. one might argue that subsidies only occur when the government is actually "giving" them money while the company has an effective tax rate of zero), but in any scenario, hefty tax breaks for an industry with so many problems seems foolish to me.

are you suggesting that only the wise and benevolent government could have seen the potential in developing computers? or are you suggesting that they sped up the process? I would obviously disagree with the first assertion, and find the second assertion to be pretty hard to prove either way. maybe they did, maybe they didn't. maybe without decades of anti-trust laws and burdensome regulation private corporations would have developed them faster. at the end of the day, the argument isn't really all that solid either way. besides, when were computers inferior to whatever technology preceded them, which was the assertion I was challenging? and if computers were just inferior to some other product, no amount of government research and spending would magically turn them into the superior product.

they should cut all corporate taxes.



The computer was invented because America was under threat of war. It was bred by a need for faster ways to send messages and relay information. Government research paved the way for both internet and the personal computer because private enterprise does not and has never ventured into the complete unknown nor does it engage in creative destruction or take exponential risk unless the benefits are immediate and seem like a guaranteed success.
They would rather just nitpick on existing products, get their CEO a raise, and sue others that threaten their way of life than turn to engineers to innovate. Just look at what lead us here through the annals of history. Look at Apple sueing Samsung for "rounded edge patent" on their smartphone. That is your private enterprise.
"Mudkip"
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13931 Posts
March 19 2013 15:53 GMT
#3424
On March 19 2013 17:01 tadL wrote:
Ofc I am a foreigner so I am not 100% into US Politics. Why just not a simple Church Tax?

The religious vote is pretty core to both parties. The catholic religious left in the inner cities for the democrats and the protestant religious right out in the country areas for the republicans.

Not to mention that would break the whole freedom of religion thing going on.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 22:03:52
March 19 2013 22:03 GMT
#3425
Four years ago, Krohn was a featured speaker at the conference. A precocious 13-year-old with outspoken conservative views, he had authored a book, "Defining Conservatism," which landed him the conference speaking gig. The video of his remarks went viral online, and he was invited to share his views on the "Today" show, CNN and Fox News. He hung out with Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann, Karl Rove, Bill O'Reilly and Andrew Breitbart. A star was born.

But in the years since, Krohn began to question his political beliefs. He devoured books on political philosophy and realized that he didn't actually have all the answers. In an interview with Politico's Patrick Gavin in the summer of 2012, Krohn conceded that he had veered away from the political views he so strongly defended as a young teen. If he were old enough, Krohn said, he would even vote to re-elect President Barack Obama.


This article kind of sums up the Republican Party in a nutshell. A group that has struggled to change their beliefs, and shouts down anyone who has. (Sweeping generalization, but its kind of interesting how this situation reflects the party's troubles as a whole)
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 19 2013 23:00 GMT
#3426
Historical Politics.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 20 2013 00:40 GMT
#3427
Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) wants to give visas to America’s 11 million undocumented immigrants that would allow them to stay and work in the country. And if they apply for green cards and eventually become citizens, that’s fine, too. But, for whatever reason, Paul really does not like calling this idea a “path to citizenship.”

That’s the upshot of a press call Paul held on Tuesday after a daylong struggle to make his position clear.

“The immigration debate has been trapped and it’s been polarized by two terms: ‘path to citizenship’ and ‘amnesty,’” Paul told reporters.

Paul delivered a speech on immigration Tuesday morning in Washington, D.C., to the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in which he pledged to support reform, but did not mention citizenship. His staff pushed back afterwards against an Associated Press report that characterized his plan as a “path to citizenship,” but after hearing the objections the news agency stood by its original characterization.

They were right to do so. The plan Paul laid out in his afternoon call sounded identical in principle to plans put forward by a group of bipartisan senators and by the White House, both of which contain a so-called “path to citizenship” that would allow illegal immigrants here today to obtain green cards (after meeting certain conditions) and eventually naturalize. And it was easily more progressive than the proposal outlined by Jeb Bush in his recent book, which would have specifically barred illegal immigrants from becoming citizens.

“As long as those here want to work, I’d get them work visas, and as long as they want to apply you get in the normal line for citizenship that’s already available, so it’s not a new pathway, it’s an existing pathway,” he said. “And then we need to figure out if the existing pathway isn’t working, how do we fix the existing pathway?”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 01:13:51
March 20 2013 01:10 GMT
#3428
There are those that believe that people should enter this country and be welcomed with open arms opportunities to work (which is a separate discussion altogether), but don't discount the very dishonest people who want the same thing for the wrong reasons. Such as powerful people with political puppets who have a side business is massive home production or other forms of affordable and "undocumented" labor employment.

In my job I see lots of very questionable working conditions for "subcontractors" who are straight out of Mexico and Russia. I don't think they get paid too well, either. But especially in housing, they (owners/supervisors) go for the cheapest and the quickest work. I've also seen dozens of situations where employees are merely provided dust masks when they very obviously should be wearing full respirators (for vapors or more intense paints and indoor paint sanding), and things of that nature.

Rights and documentation should help improve conditions like this, if they simply allow people to work here for a given amount of time or off record, I'm sure the conditions and pay would only persist.
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Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 02:25:54
March 20 2013 02:13 GMT
#3429
This is late, but Gene Sperling did an AMA on Reddit several days ago. I'll post what he wrote.

Q: In your opinion, what is the largest factor hampering the economy right now?

A: The good news is that we have seen several recent positive signs that our economic recovery is gaining momentum – the unemployment rate in March fell to its lowest level since December 2008. Our private sector businesses have created nearly 6.4 million jobs in the past three years. Home prices are rising at their fastest pace since 2006, and the manufacturing sector has added 500,000 jobs since January 2010, the fastest growth since the 1980s.

But there is no doubt we continue to face challenges. And to your question – one of the biggest factors holding us back is the refusal of Republicans in Congress to meet the President halfway on a plan to replace the sequester with a comprehensive, balanced plan to bring down our deficits in a way that still promotes demand in the short-term to give our recovery more momentum. If you haven't actually seen the President's offer, it's right here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester/the-presidents-plan

Take just one data point -- the independent Congressional Budget Office estimates that leaving the sequester in place will reduce GDP growth by 0.6% this year, and cost 750,000 jobs. That is an unnecessary hit on our economy at just the wrong time. Of course, we can survive this hit if the Republicans refuse to compromise at all, but as the President said, it is just "dumb," when you think about how much we should be working together to accelerate growth and job creation in our nation right now.

We in Washington must do better than that, which is why the President has not only laid out a specific balanced plan (here) but is reaching out to Republicans and Democrats to encourage a common sense solution that would put our economic recovery ahead of anyone’s ideological agenda. In fact, he just returned from a meeting with the House Republican conference on Capitol Hill.


Q: Hello, Mr. Sperling

Corporate tax rates in America are said to be high relative to the world at 35%, though the real rate is very competitive at around 13%. Why not close corporate loopholes and lower the rate, but even lower then that effective rate. Most econmists agree the corporate tax is a hamper to the economy. Lower corporate tax rates allow business to reinvent into their business, and that is especially true for small business who don't have the lobby power or accountants to get the lower effective rate. With higher capital gains, dividends and taxes for the rich caused by ACA and the Fiscal Cliff agreement, why not wait to tax a business when it takes money OUT of the business.

Thank You,

P.S. Can I give you my resume to pass around the DC economic policy circles?


A: This is something we've looked at closely and the President has proposed a corporate tax reform framework that reduces the top rate to 28 percent (and 25 percent for manufacturing) and pays for it by closing corporate tax expenditures and loopholes. If this is done in a common-sense way that increases our international competitiveness while encouraging job creation on our shores and discouraging abusive tax-shelters and race-to-the-bottom behavior, this could be a win for everyone. You can read the framework at http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/Documents/The-Presidents-Framework-for-Business-Tax-Reform-02-22-2012.pdf.

P.S. Regarding your resume, happy to take a look. Why don't you post it here? Not a bad way to get some exposure.


Q: How hard will you push for cuts to oil subsidies to be in any sequester deal?

A: The President has long proposed eliminating unjustifiable subsidies for oil as part of deficit reduction, tax reform, and sound energy policy. Those are certainly the type of tax expenditure reductions that could be part of tax reform or a plan to delay or eliminate the sequester.


Q: Do you support granting shareholders the right to determine executive compensation? Also, what, in your opinion, is the best way to tackle the culture of excessive compensation?

A: One positive step forward has been the "Say on Pay" provisions that the President proposed and signed into law as part of Wall Street Reform. While this measure is non-binding, it has increased both transparency and shareholder voice. We've already seen in the last year several examples of high profile compensation packages being restructured due to this process.


Q: Today, you refered to Chained CPI as "Correcting the CPI". Is there any difference? And can you explain your position on thie further?

A: The cost of living question relates to how the government measures inflation. Today, we use a measure of inflation called the “CPI” or consumer price index. An alternative would be to switch to what is known as the superlative or “chained” CPI. The superlative CPI makes two technical corrections to the standard CPI: it accounts for consumers’ ability to substitute between goods in response to changes in relative prices and accounts for biases arising from small samples. Most experts agree that the Superlative CPI provides a more accurate measure of the average change in the cost of living than the standard CPI.

The President would prefer to have this adjustment in the context of a larger Social Security reform, but he has said to Speaker Boehner that if it is part of a larger agreement that would include tax reform that would raise revenue by cutting loopholes and expenditures from the most well off, that he would be willing to agree to it because in divided government, if we’re going to make progress, we have to be willing to compromise. One important note: any agreement to make this change to the CPI must include a dedication of a portion of the savings to protections for low-income Americans, certain veterans, and older Social Security beneficiaries. Our current offer which reduces the deficit by $230 billion over the next 10 years includes those protections.


Q: Having just finished The West Wing I'd like to say thank you for helping to create one of the best programmes I've ever seen!

A couple of questions for you:

1) Just how realistic is the show compared to your day-to-day life working in The White House?

2) I personally think the NHS is one of the best things about the UK (my home country). Do you think that more should be done to bring a nationalised health service to the US, even at a cost that will increase the deficit again?


A: On "The West Wing" -- I always have answered that it is pretty realistic, except that we are not as funny, don't walk as fast and most of us are not as good looking. The West Wing show aimed for reality, except that they often have to condense a 9 month process to 60 minutes. When President Obama asked me how life in the first six months of his administration during the financial crisis compared to normal times -- I gave the same reply: that we were being forced to do 9 months of policy work in what seemed like 60 minutes.

What I liked most about The West Wing -- and what was most realistic to me -- was that instead of portraying people in Washington as either cynical or naive, our boss, Aaron Sorkin did a great job at portraying serious and deeply committed and well-intentioned people trying to do good things in what is a very difficult, complex and political environment. That is how I think most of us -- on both sides of the aisle -- see our efforts. The West Wing captured that and I think it has inspired many young people to go into public service.

Finally, for me the best thing about 4 years of consulting and part-time writing for the West Wing is that it is how I met my wife Allison Abner. She was a writer on the show, and I met her the first day in my interview.

Ok.. that was a fun one, now back to the real West Wing issues.....


Q: HSBC is a symptom of being too big to jail. How can a free market economy exist when big actors cheat, break laws, and only get fined. They just consider this a business expense.

Should we break up the banks?


A: One of the main reasons the President put so much of his personal effort into passing Wall Street Reform was to end too big to fail. That’s why the bill he signed into law in 2010 – often referred to as "Dodd-Frank" – creates new tools to unwind large financial firms without destabilizing our entire economy. The law explicitly prohibits bail outs, and provides mechanisms to remove management and directors of failing firms that need to be resolved, wipe out shareholders, and protect taxpayers and our economy. Beyond that, Wall Street reform forces big financial institutions to hold more capital so when they make a mistake they pay for it – not taxpayers. And through what’s known as the "Volcker Rule" we will prohibit firms from making risky trades with insured consumer deposits. We think these reforms substantially change incentives. We’ve also proposed a financial crisis responsibility fee that would be imposed on the banks based on their size and risk, to help encourage a more stable financial system.

In terms of punishing wrongdoing, I think we have a strong record. The president directed his DOJ to create a financial fraud enforcement tax force. Over the last few years, the justice department has filed 10,000 financial fraud causes against nearly 15,000 defendants – including more than 2,900 mortgage fraud defendants. These cases have resulted in guilty pleas and jail time. And we got the largest housing settlement in history, forcing five of the largest banks to pay billions in relief for families across America.


Q: Could you please explain the overall predicted economic effects of raising the minimum wage, as has been proposed by President Obama?

A: Most directly this will raise the wages of 15 million hard working Americans, many of whose wages are critical in determining whether they are able to provide the basics for their families. We believe strongly that as a basic matter of economic dignity no parent in our country who is working full time should have to raise their children in poverty. Increasing the minimum wage will unquestionably help achieve that basic goal. For other families who are trying to get ahead or have a seen a drop in income since the great recession, raising the minimum wage can help a second earner in the family provide that little extra for their children -- whether it's new clothes for school, a short family vacation, or a little extra put away for education or retirement.

Also because these are families with modest means they have what economists call "a higher propensity to spend" -- meaning that because they are living paycheck to paycheck they are likely to put that money into the economy right away. That means more demand and more customers for small business owners deciding whether to hire that extra worker.

A job is never just about a paycheck, it is about basic dignity. Raising the minimum wage, and indexing it to inflation, is one meaningful step we can take now to make sure more of our fellow citizens who are working hard have a bit more economic dignity in their lives.

Q.2: Gene, I'm an economist. I do not understand your argument. Could you clarify on the following points?

About half of those 15 million hard-working Americans on the minimum wage are teenagers. Why is it a national priority to raise the wages of teenagers?
If raising incomes of poor households is an important policy goal, then why don't we use the EITC - which we know is a more highly-targeted tool towards low-income households? Dollar for dollar, the EITC does more good, so why aren't you going with that?

Thank you for your time.


A.2: Thanks for the note. Our calculation is that only about 20% of those who would benefit from the minimum wage increase are teens.

The President also strongly supports the EITC - and signed two increases to the EITC (a reduction of the marriage penalty and help for larger families) in 2009, and just recently fought to get them extended till 2018 in the fiscal cliff agreement.

Increasing the minimum wage and the EITC are complementary and not either or choices.


Q: Gene. Australia is far better managed than the US economically. Why don't you do as Australia did 20+ years ago and stop subsidizing Agriculture? (Just about everything else as well) It costs you $50 billion a year and ruins the competitiveness of US farmers.

A: The President does in fact have a proposal to reduce agriculture subsidies in his FY2013 budget, and he proposed it again in his offer to Speaker Boehner. It would save $30 billion as part of his overall, balanced plan to reduce the deficit by more than $4 trillion.

Budget: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/budget.pdf

President's offer to Speaker Boehner: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/02/21/balanced-plan-avert-sequester-and-reduce-deficit-balanced-way


Q: These questions all get at the premise behind the plan: that the deficit needs to be reduced.

--With lending rates at such lows, why does the Administration believe it is even necessary to reduce the deficit at this point? Instead, why not use cheap deficit spending to make public investments?

--How did the Administration choose the magnitude of the deficit reduction sought in this plan? In particular, how do you balance the loss of public sector investments and jobs that will cost more in the long run with short term budgetary gains?


A: These are not either or questions for us. A sound economic plan has to do three things at once: give more momentum to our recovery in the short-term, achieve long-term fiscal discipline in a balanced way and ensure that we still make room for the investments in our future -- children, education, infrastructure and research. It is having a strategy that pursues all three of those goals that hits the fiscal sweet spot. A smart plan, therefore can in the same overall package accelerate critical job creating investments like attacking deferred maintenance in our infrastructure and schools, while also putting in place tax and sensible entitlement reform that both contribute to deficit reduction while ensuring we are not crowding out critical investments in our competitiveness.

We chose the amount of long-term deficit reduction to ensure that our debt and deficits were falling as a percentage of our economy -- an important metric for ensuring confidence in whether the United States is still the best place to make long-term investments. We have already achieved $2.5 trillion in deficit reduction and believe achieving $1.5 trillion-$1.8 trillion more in a balanced way is the best way to hit that target. But I want to stress, the ultimate goal for economic policy is not hitting a specific metric, but whether the culmination of your policies lead to a stronger, more secure, and more inclusive middle class where everyone can rise, and where even children born into the poorest circumstances have a chance to reach their potential and where dignified work and retirement is promoted. That is why it makes sense and is consistent to have an economic plan that at the same time seeks to achieve enough deficits to see our debt falling as a percentage of our economy, while still finding additional savings to do something as smart and consistent with our values as promoting quality pre-school for every child, when we know that furthers our values and our future workforce.


Original thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1a7tl2/im_gene_sperling_assistant_to_president_obama_for/
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oakchair
Profile Joined March 2013
11 Posts
March 20 2013 02:28 GMT
#3430
On March 20 2013 00:19 sc2superfan101 wrote:
are you suggesting that only the wise and benevolent government could have seen the potential in developing computers? or are you suggesting that they sped up the process? I would obviously disagree with the first assertion, and find the second assertion to be pretty hard to prove either way. maybe they did, maybe they didn't. maybe without decades of anti-trust laws and burdensome regulation private corporations would have developed them faster. at the end of the day, the argument isn't really all that solid either way. besides, when were computers inferior to whatever technology preceded them, which was the assertion I was challenging? and if computers were just inferior to some other product, no amount of government research and spending would magically turn them into the superior product.

they should cut all corporate taxes.


1) A government is made of people so are businesses/families therefor both groups can see the same things.
2) If it were not for goverment investment into technological research and computers/internet products for the military both computers and the internet would of come about later in time. Those investments sped up the process; when judging the merits of those single actions one cannot logical include other actions in the analysis.
3) Some regulations are burdensome but a majority of them help the overall economy. Environmental regulations that reduce pollution save tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars a year, same with saftey regulations etc.
4) Who should pay for the cut in corporate taxes?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 20 2013 02:37 GMT
#3431
After reports of employed chemical weapons in a raging civil war against the Assad regime, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on Tuesday called for the imposition of American troops on the ground in Syria to secure chemical weapons sites.

"Absolutely, you've got to get on the ground," he told The Cable. "There is no substitute for securing these weapons. I don't care what it takes. We need partners in the region. But I'm here to say, if the choice is to send in troops to secure the weapons sites versus allowing chemical weapons to get in the hands of some of the most violent people in the world, I vote to cut this off before it becomes a problem."


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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18827 Posts
March 20 2013 17:40 GMT
#3432
Looks like Obama is doing some mad glad handing out in Israel

Making his first official visit to Israel, U.S. President Barack Obama pledged on Wednesday enduring support for the Jewish State, where concern over a nuclear-armed Iran has clouded U.S.-Israeli relations.

He also stressed the need for Middle East peace at the start of a three-day trip, which is aimed at resetting strained relations with both the Israelis and Palestinians, but is not expected to provide new initiatives or substantial policy moves.


Descending from Air Force One in bright Spring sunshine, Obama briefly embraced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with whom he has a notoriously testy relationship, before offering smiles and handshakes to waiting ministers.

"I see this visit as an opportunity to reaffirm the unbreakable bond between our nations, to restate America's unwavering commitment to Israel's security and to speak directly to the people of Israel and to your neighbors," Obama said at a red-carpet welcoming ceremony at Tel Aviv airport.

"I am confident in declaring that our alliance is eternal, is forever," he said, adding the Hebrew word for forever -- "Lanetzach" -- to emphasis the upbeat message.

Obama faces strong doubts among Israelis over his promise to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb, as well as anxiety that the civil war in neighboring Syria might spill over the border, with Western powers reluctant to get involved.

The U.S. president said last week he believed Iran was still more than a year away from developing an atomic weapon and is counseling nervous Israelis to show patience.

Shortly after leaving Air Force One, Obama was told by an official to "follow the red line" marked on the tarmac as he set off to see an Israeli-made Iron Dome anti-missile battery.

Standing alongside Netanyahu, Obama joked: "He's always talking to me about red lines" -- a reference to Israel's demand that Washington establish a red line for Iran's nuclear program. "So this is all a psychological ploy," he added.


Obama promises undying support to Israel
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 20 2013 17:57 GMT
#3433
On March 20 2013 11:28 oakchair wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 00:19 sc2superfan101 wrote:
are you suggesting that only the wise and benevolent government could have seen the potential in developing computers? or are you suggesting that they sped up the process? I would obviously disagree with the first assertion, and find the second assertion to be pretty hard to prove either way. maybe they did, maybe they didn't. maybe without decades of anti-trust laws and burdensome regulation private corporations would have developed them faster. at the end of the day, the argument isn't really all that solid either way. besides, when were computers inferior to whatever technology preceded them, which was the assertion I was challenging? and if computers were just inferior to some other product, no amount of government research and spending would magically turn them into the superior product.

they should cut all corporate taxes.


1) A government is made of people so are businesses/families therefor both groups can see the same things.
2) If it were not for goverment investment into technological research and computers/internet products for the military both computers and the internet would of come about later in time. Those investments sped up the process; when judging the merits of those single actions one cannot logical include other actions in the analysis.
3) Some regulations are burdensome but a majority of them help the overall economy. Environmental regulations that reduce pollution save tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars a year, same with saftey regulations etc.
4) Who should pay for the cut in corporate taxes?

A government agency acts on an entirely different set of rules than a business or a family. They receive very little rewards for success, only for averting failure (FDA/EPA) and that leads to slow movement and bungling in various levels of approval. The idea that only via dada government did these advances in technology, computers, and internet come at the time they did and not later is pure fallacy from start to finish. A similar argument can be made that these would've come faster if not for the government (as mentioned earlier, in its trustbusting and anti-competitive laws. As if private sources of funding would never have been sought if the government sources for certain research weren't present. Likewise, asserting that the majority of regulations are not burdensome but helpful is your unbacked opinion. I looked through regulations and did research on economic effects and the good stories of saving on pollution and concluded exactly the opposite. Red tape and the rules set by government bureaucracies are more responsible for a sluggish economy and high unemployment than is generally believed, and its good effects are outweighed by the bad. This is not to say abolish every one, but to do a great lot of pruning.

Let the federal government start living with a little less tax revenue for a while. It's not like they were spending it well in the first place. I'd trust a Big Oil or Big Pharmaceutical type spending the money to do more unintentional good than any government figure or bill. Tax and spend culture in Washington has been confirmed time and time again; it's always more money and we'll find a way to spend 4 times as much as the increase gives.
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HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 19:44:54
March 20 2013 19:44 GMT
#3434
On March 21 2013 02:57 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2013 11:28 oakchair wrote:
On March 20 2013 00:19 sc2superfan101 wrote:
are you suggesting that only the wise and benevolent government could have seen the potential in developing computers? or are you suggesting that they sped up the process? I would obviously disagree with the first assertion, and find the second assertion to be pretty hard to prove either way. maybe they did, maybe they didn't. maybe without decades of anti-trust laws and burdensome regulation private corporations would have developed them faster. at the end of the day, the argument isn't really all that solid either way. besides, when were computers inferior to whatever technology preceded them, which was the assertion I was challenging? and if computers were just inferior to some other product, no amount of government research and spending would magically turn them into the superior product.

they should cut all corporate taxes.


1) A government is made of people so are businesses/families therefor both groups can see the same things.
2) If it were not for goverment investment into technological research and computers/internet products for the military both computers and the internet would of come about later in time. Those investments sped up the process; when judging the merits of those single actions one cannot logical include other actions in the analysis.
3) Some regulations are burdensome but a majority of them help the overall economy. Environmental regulations that reduce pollution save tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars a year, same with saftey regulations etc.
4) Who should pay for the cut in corporate taxes?

A government agency acts on an entirely different set of rules than a business or a family. They receive very little rewards for success, only for averting failure (FDA/EPA) and that leads to slow movement and bungling in various levels of approval. The idea that only via dada government did these advances in technology, computers, and internet come at the time they did and not later is pure fallacy from start to finish. A similar argument can be made that these would've come faster if not for the government (as mentioned earlier, in its trustbusting and anti-competitive laws. As if private sources of funding would never have been sought if the government sources for certain research weren't present. Likewise, asserting that the majority of regulations are not burdensome but helpful is your unbacked opinion. I looked through regulations and did research on economic effects and the good stories of saving on pollution and concluded exactly the opposite. Red tape and the rules set by government bureaucracies are more responsible for a sluggish economy and high unemployment than is generally believed, and its good effects are outweighed by the bad. This is not to say abolish every one, but to do a great lot of pruning.

Let the federal government start living with a little less tax revenue for a while. It's not like they were spending it well in the first place. I'd trust a Big Oil or Big Pharmaceutical type spending the money to do more unintentional good than any government figure or bill. Tax and spend culture in Washington has been confirmed time and time again; it's always more money and we'll find a way to spend 4 times as much as the increase gives.


You seem to be indirectly saying that governments and markets have different strengths and weaknesses, which is true. From this assertion one would normally draw the conclusion that we should allow markets to do the things they are better suited to, and governments to do what they are better suited to. Obviously the difference is quite a matter of contention, but it's also a lot more nuanced than asserting that markets are better at all non-coercive activities.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 20 2013 20:10 GMT
#3435
On Wednesday, a panel of House conservatives hosted by the conservative Heritage Foundation offered nothing but praise for Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-KY) speech on immigration in which the tea party favorite backed the same broad planks of comprehensive immigration reform favored by the Senate’s bipartisan working group and by the White House.

“I thought he did a very, very good job in talking about and embracing some ideals of dealing with illegal immigration and embracing some of the reform measures my friends are putting together,” Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) said. Duncan has an A+ career rating from anti-immigration group Numbers USA and once compared illegal immigrants to “vagrants” and “animals.”

Paul was only the latest in a parade of conservative Republicans, including Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), who have talked up reform in recent weeks. And if the reaction in the room on Wednesday is any indication, their message is taking hold.

“We’re not going to round up millions and millions of people, kids and grandmas and grandpas and send them to wherever,” Rep. Trey Radel (R-FL) said, adding there were both “conservative arguments” and “emotional arguments” that should compel the House to address immigration.

In addition to Duncan and Radel, the group included Reps. Raul Labrador (R-ID), Tim Huelskamp (R-KS), Dave Schweikert (R-AZ), Thomas Massie (R-KY), Jim Jordan (R-OH), Steve Scalise (R-LA), and Mick Mulvaney (R-SC).


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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
March 20 2013 20:57 GMT
#3436
I wonder what's going to happen to Arizona politicians that were on the other side of the immigration debate for the past 4 years...
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
March 21 2013 00:28 GMT
#3437
On March 21 2013 02:40 farvacola wrote:
Looks like Obama is doing some mad glad handing out in Israel

Show nested quote +
Making his first official visit to Israel, U.S. President Barack Obama pledged on Wednesday enduring support for the Jewish State, where concern over a nuclear-armed Iran has clouded U.S.-Israeli relations.

He also stressed the need for Middle East peace at the start of a three-day trip, which is aimed at resetting strained relations with both the Israelis and Palestinians, but is not expected to provide new initiatives or substantial policy moves.


Descending from Air Force One in bright Spring sunshine, Obama briefly embraced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with whom he has a notoriously testy relationship, before offering smiles and handshakes to waiting ministers.

"I see this visit as an opportunity to reaffirm the unbreakable bond between our nations, to restate America's unwavering commitment to Israel's security and to speak directly to the people of Israel and to your neighbors," Obama said at a red-carpet welcoming ceremony at Tel Aviv airport.

"I am confident in declaring that our alliance is eternal, is forever," he said, adding the Hebrew word for forever -- "Lanetzach" -- to emphasis the upbeat message.

Obama faces strong doubts among Israelis over his promise to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb, as well as anxiety that the civil war in neighboring Syria might spill over the border, with Western powers reluctant to get involved.

The U.S. president said last week he believed Iran was still more than a year away from developing an atomic weapon and is counseling nervous Israelis to show patience.

Shortly after leaving Air Force One, Obama was told by an official to "follow the red line" marked on the tarmac as he set off to see an Israeli-made Iron Dome anti-missile battery.

Standing alongside Netanyahu, Obama joked: "He's always talking to me about red lines" -- a reference to Israel's demand that Washington establish a red line for Iran's nuclear program. "So this is all a psychological ploy," he added.


Obama promises undying support to Israel

Why the smiley face? Does this really qualify as good news in some way? Every US president lets Israel get away with murder (quite literally), and with more slob-knobbing of this variety for the sake of uniting against those ambiguously brown nations, you can bet the US will never call them out on anything.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/31/israel-must-withdraw-settlers-icc

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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18827 Posts
March 21 2013 02:45 GMT
#3438
On March 21 2013 09:28 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2013 02:40 farvacola wrote:
Looks like Obama is doing some mad glad handing out in Israel

Making his first official visit to Israel, U.S. President Barack Obama pledged on Wednesday enduring support for the Jewish State, where concern over a nuclear-armed Iran has clouded U.S.-Israeli relations.

He also stressed the need for Middle East peace at the start of a three-day trip, which is aimed at resetting strained relations with both the Israelis and Palestinians, but is not expected to provide new initiatives or substantial policy moves.


Descending from Air Force One in bright Spring sunshine, Obama briefly embraced Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with whom he has a notoriously testy relationship, before offering smiles and handshakes to waiting ministers.

"I see this visit as an opportunity to reaffirm the unbreakable bond between our nations, to restate America's unwavering commitment to Israel's security and to speak directly to the people of Israel and to your neighbors," Obama said at a red-carpet welcoming ceremony at Tel Aviv airport.

"I am confident in declaring that our alliance is eternal, is forever," he said, adding the Hebrew word for forever -- "Lanetzach" -- to emphasis the upbeat message.

Obama faces strong doubts among Israelis over his promise to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb, as well as anxiety that the civil war in neighboring Syria might spill over the border, with Western powers reluctant to get involved.

The U.S. president said last week he believed Iran was still more than a year away from developing an atomic weapon and is counseling nervous Israelis to show patience.

Shortly after leaving Air Force One, Obama was told by an official to "follow the red line" marked on the tarmac as he set off to see an Israeli-made Iron Dome anti-missile battery.

Standing alongside Netanyahu, Obama joked: "He's always talking to me about red lines" -- a reference to Israel's demand that Washington establish a red line for Iran's nuclear program. "So this is all a psychological ploy," he added.


Obama promises undying support to Israel

Why the smiley face? Does this really qualify as good news in some way? Every US president lets Israel get away with murder (quite literally), and with more slob-knobbing of this variety for the sake of uniting against those ambiguously brown nations, you can bet the US will never call them out on anything.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/31/israel-must-withdraw-settlers-icc


I would have thought that my use of the phrase "mad glad handing" would have imparted a sense of sarcasm, but perhaps a winking smiley face would have been more appropriate. I won't pretend that Israel doesn't do a ton of terrible shit, but I consider the alliance between Israel and the US immensely important. I can only smile and shake my head at the diplomatic niceties.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13931 Posts
March 21 2013 04:32 GMT
#3439
Dude Isreal to USA is like what North korea is to China

That blew my mind when someone told me this today at work.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24680 Posts
March 21 2013 04:52 GMT
#3440
On March 21 2013 13:32 Sermokala wrote:
Dude Isreal to USA is like what North korea is to China

That blew my mind when someone told me this today at work.

There are some minor differences. For example, Israel actually wants its citizens to live comfortably, rather than poor and in darkness.
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