• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:50
CEST 17:50
KST 00:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver4[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon98Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week #92
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
Why Protoss Struggles on ASL (Ft. Shuttle, Tulbo) ASL22 General Discussion Syncronization issues and can't find games Remastered crash fix suggestions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 [ASL22] Ro16 Group D [ASL22] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch! Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7585 users

US Politics Mega-thread - Page 1675

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 10093 Next
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up!

NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious.
Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
February 27 2015 04:31 GMT
#33481
On February 27 2015 13:17 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 13:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 27 2015 13:08 IgnE wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 27 2015 11:19 IgnE wrote:
On February 27 2015 10:46 xDaunt wrote:
I am watching Walker's CPAC speech. He is a very good orator -- so much better than the crap that we have seen from republican candidates over the past 20+ years.

Edit: I think he gave that speech without a telepromtpter.


So Walker is the frontrunner for the xDaunt prize for political theatre.

@ jonny

I'm sure you've seen this picture before jonny, but I think it sums up the state of the infrastructure in the US pretty well for people like you who like looking at $ graphs.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I'm sure you have explanations for this that would make the cable companies proud, like how the US has a unique geography, difficult terrain, and other costly factors that would bring the price up. Also explanations for how if we wanted better, faster internet service we will have to fork over more cash so the internet companies, which have already been investing copiously into a network that is largely static from year to year, can redouble their efforts to provide us with state-of-the-art service.

Especially with the failure of public broadband in places like Chattanooga, I, for one, trust my (sole) local cable provider to provide the best cable service at the lowest available price.

Why are you addressing this to me? I never took the position that our internet is the best / cheapest or that regulatory changes can absolutely not improve the situation or that municipalities were a pox on free market virtue.

But yeah, since you brought it up there is more to pricing than 'evil corporations' and whatever other mindless ideology you feel like shitting out today.


Mindless ideology is just rampant in this thread. Jonny's head remains clear: maximize shareholder value. Pricing is complicated.

Crawl back under your bridge. You clearly have nothing to add beyond bullshit and baseless accusations.


Pot meet kettle.


Some people can dish it out but they can't take it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 27 2015 04:31 GMT
#33482
I like troll posts (even those thrown at me) as long as there's a sense of humor in them. Before making such a post, just ask yourself "What would sam!zdat do?"
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-27 04:34:56
February 27 2015 04:32 GMT
#33483
I make one-liners in response to idiotic posts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/17/how-chattanooga-beat-google-fiber-by-half-a-decade/

So EPB became an ISP. Now it operates some 8,000 miles of fiber for 56,000 commercial and residential Internet customers. With today's rollout, gigabit service will cost $70 a month, down from $300 a month just last year. The system has gotten consistently strong ratings on DSLReports, the Internet's venerable hub for comparing broadband services.

"What that gives us today is the ability to put 10 gigabits per second in any home or business in our service territory," says Harold DePriest, EPB's CEO. "That could be a manufacturer or office building, or it could be a trailer in a small lot on the back side of Soddy Mountain."


The facts are jonny that we could have everyone in the United States getting gigabit service for maybe $100B. Given that the four major cable companies made more than that in one year, in addition to hundreds of millions in government subsidies for what are ostensibly infrastructure upgrades it makes you wonder why we still are paying way more than everyone else for shittier service. Perhaps that's not surprising when you run into 97% profit margins on "high-speed service."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kushnick/time-warner-cables-97-pro_b_6591916.html

You can say I'm spouting mindless ideology if you want, but the real ideological driver in this discussion is your corporate ideology in tandem with your technological ignorance.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-27 04:40:51
February 27 2015 04:40 GMT
#33484
Oh, I'm not dissing one-liners (so long as they are actually good and not overused) but I was saying that you don't have to respond to them as if they were serious.

That being said, my own preference is to ignore them.

I think sam was perma'd just as I really began to engage in these threads, but they still leave a mark on my memory.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
February 27 2015 04:41 GMT
#33485
On February 27 2015 13:17 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 13:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 27 2015 13:08 IgnE wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 27 2015 11:19 IgnE wrote:
On February 27 2015 10:46 xDaunt wrote:
I am watching Walker's CPAC speech. He is a very good orator -- so much better than the crap that we have seen from republican candidates over the past 20+ years.

Edit: I think he gave that speech without a telepromtpter.


So Walker is the frontrunner for the xDaunt prize for political theatre.

@ jonny

I'm sure you've seen this picture before jonny, but I think it sums up the state of the infrastructure in the US pretty well for people like you who like looking at $ graphs.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I'm sure you have explanations for this that would make the cable companies proud, like how the US has a unique geography, difficult terrain, and other costly factors that would bring the price up. Also explanations for how if we wanted better, faster internet service we will have to fork over more cash so the internet companies, which have already been investing copiously into a network that is largely static from year to year, can redouble their efforts to provide us with state-of-the-art service.

Especially with the failure of public broadband in places like Chattanooga, I, for one, trust my (sole) local cable provider to provide the best cable service at the lowest available price.

Why are you addressing this to me? I never took the position that our internet is the best / cheapest or that regulatory changes can absolutely not improve the situation or that municipalities were a pox on free market virtue.

But yeah, since you brought it up there is more to pricing than 'evil corporations' and whatever other mindless ideology you feel like shitting out today.


Mindless ideology is just rampant in this thread. Jonny's head remains clear: maximize shareholder value. Pricing is complicated.

Crawl back under your bridge. You clearly have nothing to add beyond bullshit and baseless accusations.


Pot meet kettle.

Eh? Really? I didn't steak out any ideologically driven opinions on the subject and, well, that's pretty much all you've done. Last time you tried to claim that ISP's were capitalizing routine expenses like uniform purchases (without proof) simply because the facts ran counter to your preconception. Today you came in with a big sarcastic cut against the extreme free market, pro-Comcast stance... that I never took.

Pot meet kettle? More like troll meet sunlight.
hannahbelle
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-27 04:46:39
February 27 2015 04:44 GMT
#33486
On February 27 2015 13:32 IgnE wrote:
I make one-liners in response to idiotic posts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/17/how-chattanooga-beat-google-fiber-by-half-a-decade/

Show nested quote +
So EPB became an ISP. Now it operates some 8,000 miles of fiber for 56,000 commercial and residential Internet customers. With today's rollout, gigabit service will cost $70 a month, down from $300 a month just last year. The system has gotten consistently strong ratings on DSLReports, the Internet's venerable hub for comparing broadband services.

"What that gives us today is the ability to put 10 gigabits per second in any home or business in our service territory," says Harold DePriest, EPB's CEO. "That could be a manufacturer or office building, or it could be a trailer in a small lot on the back side of Soddy Mountain."


The facts are jonny that we could have everyone in the United States getting gigabit service for maybe $100B. Given that the four major cable companies made more than that in one year, in addition to hundreds of millions in government subsidies for what are ostensibly infrastructure upgrades it makes you wonder why we still are paying way more than everyone else for shittier service. Perhaps that's not surprising when you run into 97% profit margins on "high-speed service."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kushnick/time-warner-cables-97-pro_b_6591916.html

You can say I'm spouting mindless ideology if you want, but the real ideological driver in this discussion is your corporate ideology in tandem with your technological ignorance.


Without defending the telecoms, because they all suck, the article you quote is grossly simplistic. The guy is clearly focused on GM% of a service and not the net margin % of the service. Business GM% can vary depending on industry. This guy grossly distorts the true costs of providing a service by focusing soley upon the direct costs of providing the service and ignoring essentially all of the SG&A that is used in providing the service.

But given that its from HuffPo, it is to be expected that the article is simplistic, inaccurate, and misleading.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-27 04:57:06
February 27 2015 04:53 GMT
#33487
On February 27 2015 13:41 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 13:17 IgnE wrote:
On February 27 2015 13:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 27 2015 13:08 IgnE wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 27 2015 11:19 IgnE wrote:
On February 27 2015 10:46 xDaunt wrote:
I am watching Walker's CPAC speech. He is a very good orator -- so much better than the crap that we have seen from republican candidates over the past 20+ years.

Edit: I think he gave that speech without a telepromtpter.


So Walker is the frontrunner for the xDaunt prize for political theatre.

@ jonny

I'm sure you've seen this picture before jonny, but I think it sums up the state of the infrastructure in the US pretty well for people like you who like looking at $ graphs.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I'm sure you have explanations for this that would make the cable companies proud, like how the US has a unique geography, difficult terrain, and other costly factors that would bring the price up. Also explanations for how if we wanted better, faster internet service we will have to fork over more cash so the internet companies, which have already been investing copiously into a network that is largely static from year to year, can redouble their efforts to provide us with state-of-the-art service.

Especially with the failure of public broadband in places like Chattanooga, I, for one, trust my (sole) local cable provider to provide the best cable service at the lowest available price.

Why are you addressing this to me? I never took the position that our internet is the best / cheapest or that regulatory changes can absolutely not improve the situation or that municipalities were a pox on free market virtue.

But yeah, since you brought it up there is more to pricing than 'evil corporations' and whatever other mindless ideology you feel like shitting out today.


Mindless ideology is just rampant in this thread. Jonny's head remains clear: maximize shareholder value. Pricing is complicated.

Crawl back under your bridge. You clearly have nothing to add beyond bullshit and baseless accusations.


Pot meet kettle.

Eh? Really? I didn't steak out any ideologically driven opinions on the subject and, well, that's pretty much all you've done. Last time you tried to claim that ISP's were capitalizing routine expenses like uniform purchases (without proof) simply because the facts ran counter to your preconception. Today you came in with a big sarcastic cut against the extreme free market, pro-Comcast stance... that I never took.

Pot meet kettle? More like troll meet sunlight.


No I took a big sarcastic cut against your idiotic opinion that it's simply too expensive to provide hundred megabit or gigabit service to everyone in the United States. Is that not your position? That you believe the cable companies when they say there is "congestion" and that it's simply very expensive to provide more piping?

If you think my argument last time hinged on uniform purchases you are fucking stupid. That was a joke. But rather than explain what exactly they invested in, you dodged the issue. Let me reiterate it: a line that reads, "investments" that is not itemized and has no further explication does not mean anything, since practically everything counts as an investment if you deem it so.

The entire business model is, and has been, built on a scarcity model, where cable companies charged different rates for different kinds of data because they could, irregardless of the fact that a bit is a bit. It does not matter what the bit is or who it is being sent to or whether it's video or internet or voice. The mere fact that cable companies have the gumption to say that they don't feel there is any demand for faster service proves the scam. They don't think there is any demand until google fiber moves in, and suddenly the speeds are doubled for free.

@ hannahbelle

So fucking what. I know that cable companies aren't actually collecting 97% profit margins on everything. Knock it down to 70% and it's still disgusting. The mere fact that you can make it look like 97% is the problem.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 27 2015 04:57 GMT
#33488
As for this current debate, not even I would venture to defend the current crop of American ISPs. They're all a bunch of monopolistic, price-gouging, assholes.The fact that backwaters like Slovakia get better internet service than we do says all you need to know.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-27 05:10:02
February 27 2015 05:04 GMT
#33489
On February 27 2015 12:58 hannahbelle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 02:11 oneofthem wrote:
On February 27 2015 01:46 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 27 2015 01:42 oneofthem wrote:
hannahbelle where did you go to school


MBA from the Kelley School of Business in Indiana. Not that I am sure it is relevant to the discussion...

read up one post from mine, see where you talked about the guy's public education reasoning skills. looks like your nonpublic education didn't get you enough skills to score a decent gmat kek.



Really, you are stooping this low? I would have thought better of you, but then I realized, you're just ignorant. Probably socio-economically disadvantaged, so you really can't be held responsible for your own stupidity.

When I was checking on grad schools, my GMAT was the median of those at the Harvard School of Business. I just didn't have the money or desire to uproot my family and move them 1000 miles to go to school. As well as trying to find another job to support my family in a new area while going to school. It was just as easy to go to the top-10 rated MBA program that was a half hour from my house. But I'm sure you in your infinite knowledge of business grad schools already knew how these programs stack up.

kek

never seen IU ranked in t10 bro. there's a couple of t10's near you but IU isn't it, but iti s strong regionally so w/e. point is not about you really, but looking at the type of reasoning you are throwing out here you shouldnt be dissing other people's education. just saying
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 27 2015 05:16 GMT
#33490
On February 27 2015 13:11 hannahbelle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 03:58 hunts wrote:
On February 27 2015 03:53 farvacola wrote:
The ISPs lost! That's all that counts in my opinion lol.


What I read so far makes it sound like a good thing, then I read a bunch of republicans talking about how its the end of the world so was wondering if someone here could explain it better. I have to go to class now though, and then work, so I won't really get to find out until later today


Bottom line is that your internet is now going to be everything you hate about your cable service.

Now that ISPs will have a monopoly in your area, your fees will go up, your customer service will go down, and innovation will plummet.

All in the name of protecting ISPs ability to fund "infrastructure upgrades".

Do yourself a favor and actually read some of the briefs being published by groups not funded by George Soros and you will see how atrocious this "net neutrality" regulation actually is.

they will probably be regulated more like utilities and thus not be able to charge a lot more.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-27 05:37:13
February 27 2015 05:19 GMT
#33491
On February 27 2015 13:32 IgnE wrote:
I make one-liners in response to idiotic posts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/17/how-chattanooga-beat-google-fiber-by-half-a-decade/

Show nested quote +
So EPB became an ISP. Now it operates some 8,000 miles of fiber for 56,000 commercial and residential Internet customers. With today's rollout, gigabit service will cost $70 a month, down from $300 a month just last year. The system has gotten consistently strong ratings on DSLReports, the Internet's venerable hub for comparing broadband services.

"What that gives us today is the ability to put 10 gigabits per second in any home or business in our service territory," says Harold DePriest, EPB's CEO. "That could be a manufacturer or office building, or it could be a trailer in a small lot on the back side of Soddy Mountain."


The facts are jonny that we could have everyone in the United States getting gigabit service for maybe $100B. Given that the four major cable companies made more than that in one year, in addition to hundreds of millions in government subsidies for what are ostensibly infrastructure upgrades it makes you wonder why we still are paying way more than everyone else for shittier service. Perhaps that's not surprising when you run into 97% profit margins on "high-speed service."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kushnick/time-warner-cables-97-pro_b_6591916.html

You can say I'm spouting mindless ideology if you want, but the real ideological driver in this discussion is your corporate ideology in tandem with your technological ignorance.

I'm calling bullshit on this.

Chattanooga spent $330 million on the project. For a population of ~173K that's ~$1904 per person. Extrapolating to the rest of the US, which may be generous, you get a total project cost of $628 billion, which is quite a bit more than your $100 billion figure.

I don't have figures for Cox (they're private), but a quick look up of Verizon, TWC, Charter and Comcast yields $14B in combined earnings last year. That's an order of magnitude less what you claimed and includes earnings from the entire companies (not just internet divisions).

Also, the 97% profit margin figure is garbage. Cost of revenue is not all the costs. He's trying to trick people like you who know nothing about accounting / finance. For one thing, one of the big costs is the capital cost of building everything. Yet that cost is not included. Not to mention that the guy seems to be doing a lot of funny math (poor assumptions) to get to that figure in the first place.

Edit:
If you think my argument last time hinged on uniform purchases you are fucking stupid. That was a joke. But rather than explain what exactly they invested in, you dodged the issue. Let me reiterate it: a line that reads, "investments" that is not itemized and has no further explication does not mean anything, since practically everything counts as an investment if you deem it so.

There is such a thing as accounting standards. Cap ex is for long term equipment and property. You're welcome to look through their annual reports and find a better answer.
hannahbelle
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
February 27 2015 05:24 GMT
#33492
On February 27 2015 14:04 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 12:58 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 27 2015 02:11 oneofthem wrote:
On February 27 2015 01:46 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 27 2015 01:42 oneofthem wrote:
hannahbelle where did you go to school


MBA from the Kelley School of Business in Indiana. Not that I am sure it is relevant to the discussion...

read up one post from mine, see where you talked about the guy's public education reasoning skills. looks like your nonpublic education didn't get you enough skills to score a decent gmat kek.



Really, you are stooping this low? I would have thought better of you, but then I realized, you're just ignorant. Probably socio-economically disadvantaged, so you really can't be held responsible for your own stupidity.

When I was checking on grad schools, my GMAT was the median of those at the Harvard School of Business. I just didn't have the money or desire to uproot my family and move them 1000 miles to go to school. As well as trying to find another job to support my family in a new area while going to school. It was just as easy to go to the top-10 rated MBA program that was a half hour from my house. But I'm sure you in your infinite knowledge of business grad schools already knew how these programs stack up.

kek

never seen IU ranked in t10 bro. there's a couple of t10's near you but IU isn't it, but iti s strong regionally so w/e. point is not about you really, but looking at the type of reasoning you are throwing out here you shouldnt be dissing other people's education. just saying


Kelley School Rankings

Research is hard I guess. My reasoning is fine. It goes beyond rehashing dishonest talking points from prominent liberal hacks, which is all you are capable of doing. bro.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 27 2015 05:26 GMT
#33493
obviously misleading article but the takeaway is that when you have the proper infrastructure in place, bandwidth is actually quite cheap. so it is at least theoretically possible to operate a high speed network that also charges less, like the case in other places.

the high cost of infrastructure may not be the fault of the companies and we'll have to look at a breakdown of their building cost to see why.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
hannahbelle
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-27 05:29:54
February 27 2015 05:27 GMT
#33494
On February 27 2015 13:53 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 13:41 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 27 2015 13:17 IgnE wrote:
On February 27 2015 13:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 27 2015 13:08 IgnE wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On February 27 2015 11:19 IgnE wrote:
On February 27 2015 10:46 xDaunt wrote:
I am watching Walker's CPAC speech. He is a very good orator -- so much better than the crap that we have seen from republican candidates over the past 20+ years.

Edit: I think he gave that speech without a telepromtpter.


So Walker is the frontrunner for the xDaunt prize for political theatre.

@ jonny

I'm sure you've seen this picture before jonny, but I think it sums up the state of the infrastructure in the US pretty well for people like you who like looking at $ graphs.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I'm sure you have explanations for this that would make the cable companies proud, like how the US has a unique geography, difficult terrain, and other costly factors that would bring the price up. Also explanations for how if we wanted better, faster internet service we will have to fork over more cash so the internet companies, which have already been investing copiously into a network that is largely static from year to year, can redouble their efforts to provide us with state-of-the-art service.

Especially with the failure of public broadband in places like Chattanooga, I, for one, trust my (sole) local cable provider to provide the best cable service at the lowest available price.

Why are you addressing this to me? I never took the position that our internet is the best / cheapest or that regulatory changes can absolutely not improve the situation or that municipalities were a pox on free market virtue.

But yeah, since you brought it up there is more to pricing than 'evil corporations' and whatever other mindless ideology you feel like shitting out today.


Mindless ideology is just rampant in this thread. Jonny's head remains clear: maximize shareholder value. Pricing is complicated.

Crawl back under your bridge. You clearly have nothing to add beyond bullshit and baseless accusations.


Pot meet kettle.

Eh? Really? I didn't steak out any ideologically driven opinions on the subject and, well, that's pretty much all you've done. Last time you tried to claim that ISP's were capitalizing routine expenses like uniform purchases (without proof) simply because the facts ran counter to your preconception. Today you came in with a big sarcastic cut against the extreme free market, pro-Comcast stance... that I never took.

Pot meet kettle? More like troll meet sunlight.


No I took a big sarcastic cut against your idiotic opinion that it's simply too expensive to provide hundred megabit or gigabit service to everyone in the United States. Is that not your position? That you believe the cable companies when they say there is "congestion" and that it's simply very expensive to provide more piping?

If you think my argument last time hinged on uniform purchases you are fucking stupid. That was a joke. But rather than explain what exactly they invested in, you dodged the issue. Let me reiterate it: a line that reads, "investments" that is not itemized and has no further explication does not mean anything, since practically everything counts as an investment if you deem it so.

The entire business model is, and has been, built on a scarcity model, where cable companies charged different rates for different kinds of data because they could, irregardless of the fact that a bit is a bit. It does not matter what the bit is or who it is being sent to or whether it's video or internet or voice. The mere fact that cable companies have the gumption to say that they don't feel there is any demand for faster service proves the scam. They don't think there is any demand until google fiber moves in, and suddenly the speeds are doubled for free.

@ hannahbelle

So fucking what. I know that cable companies aren't actually collecting 97% profit margins on everything. Knock it down to 70% and it's still disgusting. The mere fact that you can make it look like 97% is the problem.


Love the high level analysis there. So you are saying that because a liberal hack blogger can't read a financial statement correctly and proceeds to disseminate his incorrect information across the web, that it is the company's responsibility to not report numbers that can be incorrectly interpreted? Wow.

Also, not everything can count as an investment. GAAP has very strict rules on what can be classified as an investment on financial statements.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 27 2015 05:27 GMT
#33495
On February 27 2015 14:24 hannahbelle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 14:04 oneofthem wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:58 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 27 2015 02:11 oneofthem wrote:
On February 27 2015 01:46 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 27 2015 01:42 oneofthem wrote:
hannahbelle where did you go to school


MBA from the Kelley School of Business in Indiana. Not that I am sure it is relevant to the discussion...

read up one post from mine, see where you talked about the guy's public education reasoning skills. looks like your nonpublic education didn't get you enough skills to score a decent gmat kek.



Really, you are stooping this low? I would have thought better of you, but then I realized, you're just ignorant. Probably socio-economically disadvantaged, so you really can't be held responsible for your own stupidity.

When I was checking on grad schools, my GMAT was the median of those at the Harvard School of Business. I just didn't have the money or desire to uproot my family and move them 1000 miles to go to school. As well as trying to find another job to support my family in a new area while going to school. It was just as easy to go to the top-10 rated MBA program that was a half hour from my house. But I'm sure you in your infinite knowledge of business grad schools already knew how these programs stack up.

kek

never seen IU ranked in t10 bro. there's a couple of t10's near you but IU isn't it, but iti s strong regionally so w/e. point is not about you really, but looking at the type of reasoning you are throwing out here you shouldnt be dissing other people's education. just saying


Kelley School Rankings

Research is hard I guess. My reasoning is fine. It goes beyond rehashing dishonest talking points from prominent liberal hacks, which is all you are capable of doing. bro.

kelley is t15-20, let's not argue about this. your reasoning is pretty terrible all around though on various issues, and so is yoru base of knowledge.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
hannahbelle
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
February 27 2015 05:31 GMT
#33496
On February 27 2015 14:27 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 14:24 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 27 2015 14:04 oneofthem wrote:
On February 27 2015 12:58 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 27 2015 02:11 oneofthem wrote:
On February 27 2015 01:46 hannahbelle wrote:
On February 27 2015 01:42 oneofthem wrote:
hannahbelle where did you go to school


MBA from the Kelley School of Business in Indiana. Not that I am sure it is relevant to the discussion...

read up one post from mine, see where you talked about the guy's public education reasoning skills. looks like your nonpublic education didn't get you enough skills to score a decent gmat kek.



Really, you are stooping this low? I would have thought better of you, but then I realized, you're just ignorant. Probably socio-economically disadvantaged, so you really can't be held responsible for your own stupidity.

When I was checking on grad schools, my GMAT was the median of those at the Harvard School of Business. I just didn't have the money or desire to uproot my family and move them 1000 miles to go to school. As well as trying to find another job to support my family in a new area while going to school. It was just as easy to go to the top-10 rated MBA program that was a half hour from my house. But I'm sure you in your infinite knowledge of business grad schools already knew how these programs stack up.

kek

never seen IU ranked in t10 bro. there's a couple of t10's near you but IU isn't it, but iti s strong regionally so w/e. point is not about you really, but looking at the type of reasoning you are throwing out here you shouldnt be dissing other people's education. just saying


Kelley School Rankings

Research is hard I guess. My reasoning is fine. It goes beyond rehashing dishonest talking points from prominent liberal hacks, which is all you are capable of doing. bro.

kelley is t15-20, let's not argue about this. your reasoning is pretty terrible all around though on various issues, and so is yoru base of knowledge.


Try looking beyond the first flashy box, bro. Better yet, just stop posting. Your ignorance comes through more and more on every post.

Your knowledge doesn't extend much beyond what you were spoon fed in school, so its no surprise you can't rationalize complex thoughts.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-27 05:48:36
February 27 2015 05:35 GMT
#33497
i dont need to read that to know where IU is ranked, and it's not t10. you seem pretty agitated though. try arguing your position instead of talking about other people's education because a lot of people go to better schools than you around here.


also, if your complex real world reasoning skills lead you to be an anti-vaxxer and a variety of other comical positions, then it's not very good reasoning.

User was warned for this post
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
hannahbelle
Profile Joined April 2014
United States0 Posts
February 27 2015 05:56 GMT
#33498
On February 27 2015 14:35 oneofthem wrote:
i dont need to read that to know where IU is ranked, and it's not t10. you seem pretty agitated though. try arguing your position instead of talking about other people's education because a lot of people go to better schools than you around here.


also, if your complex real world reasoning skills lead you to be an anti-vaxxer and a variety of other comical positions, then it's not very good reasoning.


Not agitated yet. I'm just getting warmed up, bro. And you obviously need to read, because you are woefully ill-informed. About a large variety of topics.

So start there, and then come back later and play in the big boy pool.

Besides, at the end of the day, it's not where you go to school, it's what you make of it.


User was warned for this post
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
February 27 2015 06:00 GMT
#33499
http://www.netindex.com/value/

RELATIVE COST OF BROADBAND - RELATIVE COST PER MBPS - COST PER MBPS

Better comparisons, except for some reason Japan & Korea aren't in there.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 27 2015 06:04 GMT
#33500
Anyone else feel like personal squabbles detract a lot from topics being discussed? I think they have no place in this thread.
Prev 1 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 10093 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 11m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech129
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 2770
Horang2 1134
Snow 658
Soma 467
Larva 389
Light 376
Soulkey 374
Stork 310
Rush 226
ZerO 189
[ Show more ]
hero 146
Zeus 91
910 83
Dewaltoss 77
Sea.KH 43
Sexy 32
Shine 30
Hm[arnc] 24
ToSsGirL 24
Terrorterran 21
Sharp 19
sorry 14
scan(afreeca) 11
Noble 3
Britney 0
Dota 2
qojqva3993
Dendi1147
Counter-Strike
fl0m571
x6flipin518
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King51
Other Games
singsing2260
B2W.Neo1028
hiko836
FrodaN489
Lowko434
ceh9368
Hui .255
DeMusliM233
Liquid`VortiX186
Beastyqt168
SteadfastSC110
ArmadaUGS98
KnowMe71
TKL 53
QueenE48
ZerO(Twitch)14
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick958
StarCraft 2
WardiTV858
TaKeTV 48
Other Games
BasetradeTV38
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 76
• mYiSmile125
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1898
• WagamamaTV508
League of Legends
• Nemesis2561
• TFBlade1136
Other Games
• Shiphtur95
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 11m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
19h 11m
Cure vs SHIN
herO vs Solar
Percival vs Classic
ByuN vs Rogue
OSC
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 8h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
GSL
3 days
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
3 days
Spirit vs Mixu
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.