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On December 23 2014 15:24 xDaunt wrote: Fuck, why are you guys making me agree with Igne? I need a shower.
How interesting, you don't see all that straw sticking out of his argument.
His general arguments are 1) cops can be assholes, 2) cops get way too much slack in our society, and 3) we have a resulting problem with cops abusing their authority. I tend to agree with all three.
Over July, August and September, economic output rose at an annual rate of 5 percent, the Commerce Department said Tuesday, a huge revision from its earlier estimate of 3.9 percent.
Over July, August and September, economic output rose at an annual rate of 5 percent, the Commerce Department said Tuesday, a huge revision from its earlier estimate of 3.9 percent.
Eight months after a police officer shot and killed a black man whom he had been trying to search as the man slept, Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm says the officer acted in self-defense.
The incident occurred in a Milwaukee park at around 4 in the afternoon. Officer Christopher Manney, who is white, was trying to frisk a sleeping Dontre Hamilton. Manney fired his gun 14 times after Dontre Hamilton woke up and grabbed the officer's baton, striking him with it.
From the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:
"This was a tragic incident for the Hamilton family and for the community," Chisholm wrote. "But, based on all the evidence and analysis presented in this report, I come to the conclusion that Officer Manney's use of force in this incident was justified self-defense and that defense cannot be reasonably overcome to establish a basis to charge Officer Manney with a crime."
The announcement comes after months of pressure on Chisholm to make a decision in the case – and a month after the police department fired the officer, Christopher Manney, for violating its procedures in the encounter with Hamilton.
The incident began after workers at a Starbucks kiosk in a park in downtown Milwaukee called in complaints about a man sleeping nearby.
I wasn't there and this is just my reaction to the information in the post, but that judge is an idiot. If I was sleeping and was woken up by some dude frisking me, I wouldn't take kindly to it either.
14 shots? Self defense is not 14 shots, self defense is a warning shot to get the dude to back off. That's bullshit.
Warning shots are not a thing with handguns, stop basing your assumptions off of tv.
alright im not a gun guy so im no expert here, and i am NOT basing anything off of tv. but all im saying is that you can defuse a situation well before it gets to the point of shooting somebody 14 times. I think we can all agree that 14 shots is a little excessive, whether or not the other dude has a baton in his hand.
Eight months after a police officer shot and killed a black man whom he had been trying to search as the man slept, Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm says the officer acted in self-defense.
The incident occurred in a Milwaukee park at around 4 in the afternoon. Officer Christopher Manney, who is white, was trying to frisk a sleeping Dontre Hamilton. Manney fired his gun 14 times after Dontre Hamilton woke up and grabbed the officer's baton, striking him with it.
From the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:
"This was a tragic incident for the Hamilton family and for the community," Chisholm wrote. "But, based on all the evidence and analysis presented in this report, I come to the conclusion that Officer Manney's use of force in this incident was justified self-defense and that defense cannot be reasonably overcome to establish a basis to charge Officer Manney with a crime."
The announcement comes after months of pressure on Chisholm to make a decision in the case – and a month after the police department fired the officer, Christopher Manney, for violating its procedures in the encounter with Hamilton.
The incident began after workers at a Starbucks kiosk in a park in downtown Milwaukee called in complaints about a man sleeping nearby.
I wasn't there and this is just my reaction to the information in the post, but that judge is an idiot. If I was sleeping and was woken up by some dude frisking me, I wouldn't take kindly to it either.
14 shots? Self defense is not 14 shots, self defense is a warning shot to get the dude to back off. That's bullshit.
Warning shots are not a thing with handguns, stop basing your assumptions off of tv.
alright im not a gun guy so im no expert here, and i am NOT basing anything off of tv. but all im saying is that you can defuse a situation well before it gets to the point of shooting somebody 14 times. I think we can all agree that 14 shots is a little excessive, whether or not the other dude has a baton in his hand.
This discussion has been had before. Yes some people here actually believe shooting someone 14 is normal and acceptable.
Amid a historic thaw with Cuba and an unprecedented cyberattack blamed on the North Korean government, the White House this week said it was considering the first reshuffle of the U.S. ‘state sponsors of terrorism’ list since former President George W. Bush removed North Korea in 2008.
But the cases of these two countries have prompted fresh criticism of the state sponsor designation, which many say is inherently political and limited in impact by inconsistent, even arbitrary application.
According to the State Department’s Bureau of Counterterrorism, a country can be added to the list if it has “repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism” and can subsequently be removed only when there is a demonstrable shift in the government’s policies or leadership.
The reality is more political, however. From its Cold War inception, the list has targeted countries that tend to be antagonistic to U.S. interests. In the 1980s, that included several countries in the Soviet sphere of influence, including Cuba. Today only three other countries remain on the list: Iran, Syria and Sudan.
While countries added to the list tend to have track records of abetting attacks, the designation is more readily regarded as a tool for political leverage, said Martin Reardon, an analyst with the Soufan Group and a veteran of the FBI’s counterterrorism unit. “When countries are put on, there is a strong argument for them being sponsors of terrorism. But when they’re taken off, it's usually based on political reasons,” he said.
Eight months after a police officer shot and killed a black man whom he had been trying to search as the man slept, Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm says the officer acted in self-defense.
The incident occurred in a Milwaukee park at around 4 in the afternoon. Officer Christopher Manney, who is white, was trying to frisk a sleeping Dontre Hamilton. Manney fired his gun 14 times after Dontre Hamilton woke up and grabbed the officer's baton, striking him with it.
From the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:
"This was a tragic incident for the Hamilton family and for the community," Chisholm wrote. "But, based on all the evidence and analysis presented in this report, I come to the conclusion that Officer Manney's use of force in this incident was justified self-defense and that defense cannot be reasonably overcome to establish a basis to charge Officer Manney with a crime."
The announcement comes after months of pressure on Chisholm to make a decision in the case – and a month after the police department fired the officer, Christopher Manney, for violating its procedures in the encounter with Hamilton.
The incident began after workers at a Starbucks kiosk in a park in downtown Milwaukee called in complaints about a man sleeping nearby.
I wasn't there and this is just my reaction to the information in the post, but that judge is an idiot. If I was sleeping and was woken up by some dude frisking me, I wouldn't take kindly to it either.
14 shots? Self defense is not 14 shots, self defense is a warning shot to get the dude to back off. That's bullshit.
Warning shots are not a thing with handguns, stop basing your assumptions off of tv.
alright im not a gun guy so im no expert here, and i am NOT basing anything off of tv. but all im saying is that you can defuse a situation well before it gets to the point of shooting somebody 14 times. I think we can all agree that 14 shots is a little excessive, whether or not the other dude has a baton in his hand.
No you are right. He should of never had to shoot in the first place, had he used basic common sense. Further more to go from being close enough to get clubbed with your own baton, to needing to fire 14 shots doesn't make sense. He was obviously wrong to do what he did (break procedure), which is why he lost his job, the rub is that other than politician or police not very many other people get the option of just losing their job for committing what would otherwise be a crime (criminal negligence).
Man the propaganda flowing on facebook blows my mind...
This protest chant is "we can't stop, we won't stop, till killer cops, are in cell blocks." The FOX affiliate edited it to cut out the last line, and then said the protester is calling for police murder.
The "Heartless Felons" threat to kill all white cops is fake (not credible) too.
the police siege mentality is not without reason. they are increasingly being asked to be the shield or pressure valve against increased social strife, especially at the marginalized community level.
the basic point i tried to make was that the big problem with this situation is the clear lack of communication between those wanting reform and the police. there's just no effort whatsoever. the police will see this as arrogance, as an attempt to treat them as servants of an aloof 'civil liberal society' that is out of touch with the actual violence that goes on daily outside of their nice neighborhoods.
i really question how many of the police bashers here have actually visited some of the bad neighborhoods in the big cities.
On December 24 2014 08:00 oneofthem wrote: the police siege mentality is not without reason. they are increasingly being asked to be the shield or pressure valve against increased social strife, especially at the marginalized community level.
the basic point i tried to make was that the big problem with this situation is the clear lack of communication between those wanting reform and the police. there's just no effort whatsoever. the police will see this as arrogance, as an attempt to treat them as servants of an aloof 'civil liberal society' that is out of touch with the actual violence that goes on daily outside of their nice neighborhoods.
i really question how many of the police bashers here have actually visited some of the bad neighborhoods in the big cities.
I feel like one big problem about institutions in the US, no matter if intelligence or the police is that it seems like they're just businesses that are up for hire and decide how they chose to be run themselves. I don't think it should actually matter what the police thinks about reforms, they're the people that are supposed to execute the law, not make it. I feel like a lot of people simply distrust the police because it seems like politics has simply lost control over them.
On December 24 2014 08:00 oneofthem wrote: the police siege mentality is not without reason. they are increasingly being asked to be the shield or pressure valve against increased social strife, especially at the marginalized community level.
the basic point i tried to make was that the big problem with this situation is the clear lack of communication between those wanting reform and the police. there's just no effort whatsoever. the police will see this as arrogance, as an attempt to treat them as servants of an aloof 'civil liberal society' that is out of touch with the actual violence that goes on daily outside of their nice neighborhoods.
i really question how many of the police bashers here have actually visited some of the bad neighborhoods in the big cities.
I've lived in those bad neighborhoods. I've seen good cops, bad cops, and dirty cops (I've mentioned before my elementary school's DARE officer got caught up for selling drugs). I can assure you the people there rarely see the police as being helpful.
I noticed some people surprised at how many officers were around Eric Garner for allegedly selling loose cigarettes. If you have spent time in the areas you mention you know it's not uncommon at all to have a dozen or more officers around for simple arrests it certainly isn't new either.
The lack of communication is not from a lack of effort from the public but a stonewalling from police. They've been ignoring the same messages for decades.
On December 24 2014 08:00 oneofthem wrote: the police siege mentality is not without reason. they are increasingly being asked to be the shield or pressure valve against increased social strife, especially at the marginalized community level.
the basic point i tried to make was that the big problem with this situation is the clear lack of communication between those wanting reform and the police. there's just no effort whatsoever. the police will see this as arrogance, as an attempt to treat them as servants of an aloof 'civil liberal society' that is out of touch with the actual violence that goes on daily outside of their nice neighborhoods.
i really question how many of the police bashers here have actually visited some of the bad neighborhoods in the big cities.
please dude. cops are barely seen in "good" neighborhoods. it's those who have experience in different kinds of environments that have problems with the way police act in certain locales or situations.
On December 24 2014 08:00 oneofthem wrote: the police siege mentality is not without reason. they are increasingly being asked to be the shield or pressure valve against increased social strife, especially at the marginalized community level.
the basic point i tried to make was that the big problem with this situation is the clear lack of communication between those wanting reform and the police. there's just no effort whatsoever. the police will see this as arrogance, as an attempt to treat them as servants of an aloof 'civil liberal society' that is out of touch with the actual violence that goes on daily outside of their nice neighborhoods.
i really question how many of the police bashers here have actually visited some of the bad neighborhoods in the big cities.
I feel like one big problem about institutions in the US, no matter if intelligence or the police is that it seems like they're just businesses that are up for hire and decide how they chose to be run themselves. I don't think it should actually matter what the police thinks about reforms, they're the people that are supposed to execute the law, not make it. I feel like a lot of people simply distrust the police because it seems like politics has simply lost control over them.
Institutions always have their own inertia, and that's not really unique to the US. Sometimes that inertia is helpful as chasing the latest flavor of the month idea is rarely helpful, and other times it can be an obstacle for needed change.
Eight months after a police officer shot and killed a black man whom he had been trying to search as the man slept, Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm says the officer acted in self-defense.
The incident occurred in a Milwaukee park at around 4 in the afternoon. Officer Christopher Manney, who is white, was trying to frisk a sleeping Dontre Hamilton. Manney fired his gun 14 times after Dontre Hamilton woke up and grabbed the officer's baton, striking him with it.
From the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:
"This was a tragic incident for the Hamilton family and for the community," Chisholm wrote. "But, based on all the evidence and analysis presented in this report, I come to the conclusion that Officer Manney's use of force in this incident was justified self-defense and that defense cannot be reasonably overcome to establish a basis to charge Officer Manney with a crime."
The announcement comes after months of pressure on Chisholm to make a decision in the case – and a month after the police department fired the officer, Christopher Manney, for violating its procedures in the encounter with Hamilton.
The incident began after workers at a Starbucks kiosk in a park in downtown Milwaukee called in complaints about a man sleeping nearby.
I wasn't there and this is just my reaction to the information in the post, but that judge is an idiot. If I was sleeping and was woken up by some dude frisking me, I wouldn't take kindly to it either.
14 shots? Self defense is not 14 shots, self defense is a warning shot to get the dude to back off. That's bullshit.
Warning shots are not a thing with handguns, stop basing your assumptions off of tv.
alright im not a gun guy so im no expert here, and i am NOT basing anything off of tv. but all im saying is that you can defuse a situation well before it gets to the point of shooting somebody 14 times. I think we can all agree that 14 shots is a little excessive, whether or not the other dude has a baton in his hand.
This discussion has been had before. Yes some people here actually believe shooting someone 14 is normal and acceptable.
The difference between being acceptable and being normal is very different, even more so when you're being attacked.
It's pretty much standard in shitty neighborhoods that people don't talk. Snitches get stitches and all that, so when crime happens people are afraid to talk, even if they saw some guy kill another guy in broad daylight no one says a thing. They figure if they tell the cops, they'll be killed and they've got reason to believe that threat will be followed up on. You'll see cops bitching about it. Even if the cop has all the best intentions in the world no one will say anything.
When someone brings up the fact that if there were any truly good cops, they'd turn in the bad cops whenever they abused their power. They wouldn't hide behind "brotherhood" when they see another cop assault someone, shoot someone, harass, frame, etc, they'd turn their ass in. People will say they don't want to endanger their career or something along those lines.
Kind of find it interesting and ironic that both sides essentially do the same thing. Personally I think the threat of death in the ghetto is a far more real danger. But how can police expect someone from the ghetto to do something (turn someone who committed a crime in) that they wouldn't do themselves?
So what you're saying is that the police are pointing figurative guns at each other to enforce a layer of corruptness the same way that gang members do to their own witnesses.
There ought to be some form of oversight committee to prevent that kind of thing.
Protesters against police brutality marched along Fifth Avenue in Manhattan Tuesday, despite a call from New York Mayor Bill de Blasio to suspend demonstrations. De Blasio asked people to wait until after the funerals of two police officers who were shot and killed over the weekend.
There have been protests nationwide in recent weeks over the cases of unarmed black men being killed by police, particularly Eric Garner and Michael Brown. In both Garner and Brown's cases, grand juries decided not to indict the officers.
The suspect in the shooting of the two New York City police officers, Ismaaiyl Brinsley, indicated on social media before Saturday's incident that he would retaliate for the deaths of Brown and Garner. Brinsley shot himself after killing officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos.
"Protesters say it's unfair to tie the shooting in New York to peaceful demonstrations over police brutality," NPR's Joel Rose tells our Newscast Desk. Rose spoke with Eugene Puryear of the Answer Coalition, who helped organize Tuesday's march.
Reporting coming in from St. Louis about a officer involved in a shooting. Black teen shot and killed and the body, according to social media, is still laying on the ground after two hours.
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