EPTIt's got source articles like this one:
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
It's got source articles like this one: http://web.archive.org/web/20110604231819/http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/2009/06/03_warren.html | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On December 21 2014 13:10 Sermokala wrote: You have to understand that the city has a really really dark history in the 70's when police officers were being ambused and executed on a regular basis. Combine that with the face that they havn't had a contract in 4 year and are extremly understaffed and underpaid compared to the rest of the country and something like this makes complete sense for the guy. You make it sound like the NYP is the Detroit Police from the Robocop movies. In the 70s they were not 'routinely' ambushed , 45 officers were killed in the 1970s by either gunfire or assault. Out of a police force of 30,000. NYPD feels underpaid because they work in the most expensive city in America, their wages are in line with other big departments, and their budgets thanks to the war on terror is actually quite a bit bigger. A total of 830 or so cops died on duty in the entire history of the NYPD. Outside of popular culture, the chances of getting killed on the job as a cop is pretty low. Higher than a lawyer, lower than a lumberjack. Cops are afraid of the people they police -- and that is a huge problem that should be addressed because it affects the way the police. But running into the tragic shooting of two officers by a mad man and blaming Eric Holder and De Blasio is just fucking poisonous and feeds into the mentality the cops have that they better shoot first or else, ITS A WAAAAAR -- except you know, its not. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On December 21 2014 15:28 coverpunch wrote: If it is so easy, please show your work. What classes did she teach? What years? As for the awards, what years did she win them? Sure here you go, literally the second hit on google 'Elizabeth Warren Harvard class' http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/10/13/elizabeth-warren-known-harvard-law-school-tough-but-fair/9adfuU4jXPPSEfO8XyturM/story.html Looks like she taught bankruptcy in 08, in 2010 an empirical legal seminar. Telling me I'm wrong but not spelling it out makes you look less credible. A guy yells "GRAVITY IS A MYTH", I think its safe to say "You are wrong, here watch this apple fall" , I dont have to then positively explain gravity I don't have "rage" for Warren either, I just think she's a phony positioning herself for a presidential run and that she would make a bad president. Fine, just say so, no need to invent some kind of random, quickly google disprovable 'facts' Edit: her job isn't "expert on wealth inequality", You are right, that is not her job, that is her expertise as a scholar. And she brings that expertise to her job because (a) she was in part elected on that expertise and (b) her job lets her, as a senator, advocate against issues she believes causes the growth in inequality. it is "Senator from Massachusetts". She is on regulatory and administrative committees and claims to represent the interests of consumers from her state and the nation, yet she has few if any real accomplishments in that capacity. That is my point. Junior Senators, no matter what committee, do not get to unilaterally dictate. In your initial post you made it sound like she worked as an administrator AND a regulator and she failed at both. If you want to move back from that to "She didnt do as much as she claimed she wanted to when she was running" then fine, thats a much finer distinction and one that involves a debate on the nature of a Senators power in enacting, or even trying to enact, positive reform they ran on. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=Elizabeth Warren&btnG=&as_sdt=1,5&as_sdtp= Here is a list of her scholarship on bankruptcy. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On December 21 2014 16:17 darthfoley wrote: Coverpunch, it's time for you to stop. There is no need to reiterate what Sub40 just posted, but I just wanted to post that all of your "claims" have been more or less disproven by the first five results on google. I didn't make a "claim", I ventured a guess and now people are just saying "you're wrong" without saying how. It is fine, people have now provided the answers to my questions so it is over now. I don't think my questions for specificity were particularly unfair. It is just annoying I have to wring the forum like a bar rag for any answers and get these kinds of comments with no helpful or meaningful substance. /rant | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24512 Posts
What this guy did was heinous and wrong so are the people celebrating these officers deaths. But these seem like important details before stuff gets out of hand. A federal law enforcement official said Brinsley had no known ties to the BGF. The Baltimore FBI office issued a memo on Friday warning that the BGF was targeting "white cops" in Maryland, per the Sun. The memo, based on a contact who had given officials reliable information in the past, said the plan was to target white officers in order to "send a message." Rafael Ramos, 40, and Wenjian Liu, 32 were not white. This feels eerily like the Australian situation, in that people are ready to attribute this horrific act to anything and everything. Best I can find was 'sources say' he was a member of the Black Guerilla Family. Not who those sources were, their position, or why they would know. He very well might of been a member, but might not. I think we should be a bit more careful taking the most recent online posts of someone as a complete summary explanation of their actions. BGF is a legit prison gang. If he was a member he would almost certainly have an identifying tattoo, so if he was a member it shouldn't take long to have a reputable source show (or tell of) at least some evidence. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
And now that a random nutjob shot 2 police officers their union is talking about being a "war time" police department? Why the fuck is some wannabe Judge Dredd the face of the police union? | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On December 21 2014 21:33 Gorsameth wrote: So there was this discussion about the militarization of the police and how that was a bad thing. And now that a random nutjob shot 2 police officers their union is talking about being a "war time" police department? Why the fuck is some wannabe Judge Dredd the face of the police union? More complete version: The New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, the NYPD's union, has issued this statement following the deaths of two police officers in an ambush: "Starting IMMEDIATELY: At least two units are to respond to EVERY call, no matter the condition or severity, no matter what type of job is pending, or what the opinion of the patrol supervisor happens to be. “IN ADDITION: Absolutely NO enforcement action in the form of arrests and or summonses is to be taken unless absolutely necessary and an individual MUST be placed under arrest. “These are precautions that were taken in the 1970's when police officers were ambushed and executed on a regular basis. “The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words actions and policies and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. We will act accordingly.” With the statement in this context, it's less about militarization per se and more about being more firm and decisive in their actions for the sake of police safety. I'm not sure exactly how the "in addition" part changes their actions day to day, but it's clear they don't want any more dead cops. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
future prospects murky, depends on outside intervention more liekly than not. de blasio seemed very unpopular on police boards before this, can't imagine afterwards. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22705 Posts
On December 22 2014 00:25 oneofthem wrote: obvious chronic breakdown of communication, lack of constructive dialogue between community (activist base) and police, government and police. future prospects murky, depends on outside intervention more liekly than not. de blasio seemed very unpopular on police boards before this, can't imagine afterwards. Which are all issues that face the police force. And they are all issues that have nothing to do what happened. A complete nutcase killed his gf, shot 2 cops and committed suicide. This has nothing to do with anything other then an insane guy with access to a gun. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
anyway discussion on the wealth-income inequality situation + Show Spoiler + | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
I saw a news article quoting some retired NYPD officer on how this is all bringing back painful memories of targeted police killings. Naturally, this would beg the question: did the GJ's failure to indict the police officer who choked Garner bring back memories of precincts that were entirely corrupt? Naturally, the answer is no for anyone who thinks the population is on the brink of waging an all-out war against the police. This is an excellent opportunity for the Fed to come in and fulfill its role in overseeing the appropriate carrying out of law and order, and this will very likely include gutting or radically altering the way in which organizations like the PBA operate. The CCRB needs to get beefier, and there need to be more citizen based oversight committees throughout the United States. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8778 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Livelovedie
United States492 Posts
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On December 21 2014 22:03 coverpunch wrote: More complete version: With the statement in this context, it's less about militarization per se and more about being more firm and decisive in their actions for the sake of police safety. I'm not sure exactly how the "in addition" part changes their actions day to day, but it's clear they don't want any more dead cops. It's crazy that you would quote the whole thing as if it contextualized "wartime" excerpt. The full quote is just as full-on crazy. De Blasio has blood on his hands??? | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
“The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words actions and policies and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. what a fantastic moron. Seems hes completely unable to separate increased scrutiny from an 'attack'. also he fucking misused the word 'literally'. that shit is annoying | ||
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oneofthem
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{CC}StealthBlue
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