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On March 08 2013 06:48 Velr wrote:


Yeah, in reality TV that is.

On March 08 2013 07:27 FallenPrince wrote:
Is an American attack on Iran in the coming years inevitable?

"The next offensive in the cabal's dollar imperialism war will thus most likely be the unprovoked attack of Iran. The hidden reason for this attack is Iran's huge energy reserves--and its daring to create an oil bourse linked to the euro. The international cabal's attack on Iran is almost inevitable, because Iran is about to commit a far more unforgivable "offense" than Saddam Hussein's conversion of Iraq's oil exports to the euro in the fall of 2000; Iran is also encouraging other nations of the world to join them in setting up an international energy market linked to the Euro..."

Source: http://www.hermes-press.com/dollar_imperialism.htm

Here are the facts:

1.Oil drives economic growth.
2.There is no growth without an abundant Energy supply.
3.Economic depression soon descends when energy becomes scarce.
4.The military is completely dependant on OIL.
5.The BTC OIL pipeline that runs through Georgia is what the US desperately wants to control.
6.The Invasion of Iraq was for Oil.
7.The pending invasion of Iran is for Oil
8.The War in Afghanistan is to clear the way for oil and gas pipelines to run to the Indian Ocean.
9.A rush to secure as much energy as possible World Wide to maintain its empire has the USA involved in wars and conflict all over the planet.
10.The US missile defense shield being pushed in Eastern Europe is military aggression by America, plain and simple.
11.The Americans are desperate now because The Czech Republic & Poland are having second thoughts about the US puting military bases and weapons in their countries, so the US is arming Georgia and pushing them to attack South Osetia

On March 08 2013 05:24 coverpunch wrote:

To ask this means you missed the point of the filibuster.

Rand Paul didn't talk for 13 hours about nothing just to stick it to Obama. He was making a very specific point that the administration needs to be more forthcoming about its drone policy.

For now, most people aren't complaining simply because they trust Obama to do the right thing. He says the administration is very careful about selecting targets and trying to minimize collateral damage, and people believe him. But that's the problem. We don't know how he derives the authority to green-light drone strikes and what limits he has imposed on who can or cannot be a target. Rand Paul's point is that the public has a right to not take Obama's word for it.

This isn't just about terrorists either. Due process is not solely about the accused and the convicted. People should know what the administration has done to prevent or compensate for blunders. I think Paul is exaggerating severely by making his hypotheticals about Obama killing US citizens in the US, but I do want the administration to be more transparent.

Holding up Brennan's confirmation is a way to get Obama's attention.

On March 08 2013 07:27 FallenPrince wrote:
Is an American attack on Iran in the coming years inevitable?

"The next offensive in the cabal's dollar imperialism war will thus most likely be the unprovoked attack of Iran. The hidden reason for this attack is Iran's huge energy reserves--and its daring to create an oil bourse linked to the euro. The international cabal's attack on Iran is almost inevitable, because Iran is about to commit a far more unforgivable "offense" than Saddam Hussein's conversion of Iraq's oil exports to the euro in the fall of 2000; Iran is also encouraging other nations of the world to join them in setting up an international energy market linked to the Euro..."

Source: http://www.hermes-press.com/dollar_imperialism.htm

Here are the facts:

1.Oil drives economic growth.
2.There is no growth without an abundant Energy supply.
3.Economic depression soon descends when energy becomes scarce.
4.The military is completely dependant on OIL.
5.The BTC OIL pipeline that runs through Georgia is what the US desperately wants to control.
6.The Invasion of Iraq was for Oil.
7.The pending invasion of Iran is for Oil
8.The War in Afghanistan is to clear the way for oil and gas pipelines to run to the Indian Ocean.
9.A rush to secure as much energy as possible World Wide to maintain its empire has the USA involved in wars and conflict all over the planet.
10.The US missile defense shield being pushed in Eastern Europe is military aggression by America, plain and simple.
11.The Americans are desperate now because The Czech Republic & Poland are having second thoughts about the US puting military bases and weapons in their countries, so the US is arming Georgia and pushing them to attack South Osetia

US Is on Fast-Track to Energy Independence: Study

U.S. oil and gas production is evolving so rapidly—and demand is dropping so quickly—that in just five years the U.S. could no longer need to buy oil from any source but Canada, according to Citigroup's global head of commodities research.
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On March 08 2013 07:47 Sermokala wrote:
USA doesn't really care about oil anymore. Between the canada oil sands (hopefully obama allows that to come into our control and not to get shipped right off to china) the dakota oil finds, the massive revolution in shale drilling in middle america, and the new Brazilian energy finds we're doing just fine over here in the new world. Russia and china are sitting next to eachother with all the natural resources in middle asia all to themselves while the rest of europe and india are being left out in the cold.

A few years and we're going to be running our semi's on liquefied natural gas anyway, China is the one that gives a shit about iranian oil. the eu is the one that gives a shit about iraqi oil.

On March 08 2013 07:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


You are aware that the Keystone XL pipeline would/will lead directly to a port correct?

On March 08 2013 07:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:

What's wrong with that? You don't like seamen?

On March 08 2013 07:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


No I don't like the constant saying "We'll be energy independent." When US as well as Canadian drilled Oil will be heading out to sea on Oil tankers. Heck the Keystone Pipeline hasn't been sued solely by Environmentalists but also by existing Oil refineries.

On March 08 2013 07:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


No I don't like the constant saying "We'll be energy independent." When US as well as Canadian drilled Oil will be heading out to sea on Oil tankers. Heck the Keystone Pipeline hasn't been sued solely by Environmentalists but also by existing Oil refineries.

On March 08 2013 06:48 Velr wrote:


Yeah, in reality TV that is.

On March 08 2013 07:27 FallenPrince wrote:
Is an American attack on Iran in the coming years inevitable?

"The next offensive in the cabal's dollar imperialism war will thus most likely be the unprovoked attack of Iran. The hidden reason for this attack is Iran's huge energy reserves--and its daring to create an oil bourse linked to the euro. The international cabal's attack on Iran is almost inevitable, because Iran is about to commit a far more unforgivable "offense" than Saddam Hussein's conversion of Iraq's oil exports to the euro in the fall of 2000; Iran is also encouraging other nations of the world to join them in setting up an international energy market linked to the Euro..."

Source: http://www.hermes-press.com/dollar_imperialism.htm

Here are the facts:

1.Oil drives economic growth.
2.There is no growth without an abundant Energy supply.
3.Economic depression soon descends when energy becomes scarce.
4.The military is completely dependant on OIL.
5.The BTC OIL pipeline that runs through Georgia is what the US desperately wants to control.
6.The Invasion of Iraq was for Oil.
7.The pending invasion of Iran is for Oil
8.The War in Afghanistan is to clear the way for oil and gas pipelines to run to the Indian Ocean.
9.A rush to secure as much energy as possible World Wide to maintain its empire has the USA involved in wars and conflict all over the planet.
10.The US missile defense shield being pushed in Eastern Europe is military aggression by America, plain and simple.
11.The Americans are desperate now because The Czech Republic & Poland are having second thoughts about the US puting military bases and weapons in their countries, so the US is arming Georgia and pushing them to attack South Osetia

Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-KY) epic 13-hour filibuster of John Brennan for CIA director finally came to an amicable resolution Thursday, but not before sparking a battle within the Republican Party hierarchy — the latest in a series of internal struggles the party has faced since the election.

On Paul’s side is the right-wing apparatus and their darlings in Congress — notably Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), who joined the filibuster. They were delighted by Paul’s highly public confrontation with the White House and cheered him on until the very end.

One the other side are the GOP foreign policy hawks, led by Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who are Washington’s chief guardians of broad executive power when it comes to dealing with the country’s enemies.

They were furious with Paul’s attacks on President Obama’s drone policy.

“To somehow allege or infer that the President of the United States is going to kill somebody like Jane Fonda, or somebody who disagrees with the policies, is a stretch of imagination which is, frankly, ridiculous,” McCain said Thursday morning on the Senate floor.

He read from a scathing Wall Street Journal editorial declaring that “if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what he’s talking about.”

That angered the wealthy conservative activist group FreedomWorks, which called McCain’s remarks “rude and out of line,” and slammed him for “schmoozing with President Obama over dinner” while Paul was mounting his “courageous filibuster.”

FreedomWorks was among the biggest cheerleaders of Paul’s filibuster and, along with the Heritage Foundation, helped light up news and social media with their passionate support. The intensity of the push was noticed by Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, who urged all Republican senators to “please go to the floor and help out” Paul. Fourteen of them went, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Infurated by McCain’s remarks the following morning, FreedomWorks proceeded to issue an action alert calling on its members to demand an apology from McCain. It encouraged its proclaimed 4 million members to send a letter to McCain.

On March 08 2013 10:06 aksfjh wrote:

More Republican in-fighting! Wooooo!

On March 08 2013 10:08 Roe wrote:


I'm hoping we see more of it. A divided party is much better for the country and our democracy, whichever party that may be. A republican civil war could get them back to a more justice-party-esque platform.

On March 08 2013 10:06 aksfjh wrote:

More Republican in-fighting! Wooooo!