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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14176 Posts
March 07 2013 21:52 GMT
#3041
On March 08 2013 06:48 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 06:40 Kimaker wrote:
On March 08 2013 06:29 Velr wrote:
Most non americans probably just see the pure stupidity to not just let them "veto", instead they have to put up some show so the media can go all batshit over it...

If you can't play the crowd, you will never win the crown. That simple.


Yeah, in reality TV that is.

Politics is reality TV.

The twist is that these people actually control your lives and its not just a show.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
FallenPrince
Profile Joined March 2013
8 Posts
March 07 2013 22:27 GMT
#3042
Is an American attack on Iran in the coming years inevitable?

"The next offensive in the cabal's dollar imperialism war will thus most likely be the unprovoked attack of Iran. The hidden reason for this attack is Iran's huge energy reserves--and its daring to create an oil bourse linked to the euro. The international cabal's attack on Iran is almost inevitable, because Iran is about to commit a far more unforgivable "offense" than Saddam Hussein's conversion of Iraq's oil exports to the euro in the fall of 2000; Iran is also encouraging other nations of the world to join them in setting up an international energy market linked to the Euro..."

Source: http://www.hermes-press.com/dollar_imperialism.htm

Here are the facts:

1.Oil drives economic growth.
2.There is no growth without an abundant Energy supply.
3.Economic depression soon descends when energy becomes scarce.
4.The military is completely dependant on OIL.
5.The BTC OIL pipeline that runs through Georgia is what the US desperately wants to control.
6.The Invasion of Iraq was for Oil.
7.The pending invasion of Iran is for Oil
8.The War in Afghanistan is to clear the way for oil and gas pipelines to run to the Indian Ocean.
9.A rush to secure as much energy as possible World Wide to maintain its empire has the USA involved in wars and conflict all over the planet.
10.The US missile defense shield being pushed in Eastern Europe is military aggression by America, plain and simple.
11.The Americans are desperate now because The Czech Republic & Poland are having second thoughts about the US puting military bases and weapons in their countries, so the US is arming Georgia and pushing them to attack South Osetia



User was banned for this post.
TotalBalanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada475 Posts
March 07 2013 22:30 GMT
#3043
On March 08 2013 07:27 FallenPrince wrote:
Is an American attack on Iran in the coming years inevitable?

"The next offensive in the cabal's dollar imperialism war will thus most likely be the unprovoked attack of Iran. The hidden reason for this attack is Iran's huge energy reserves--and its daring to create an oil bourse linked to the euro. The international cabal's attack on Iran is almost inevitable, because Iran is about to commit a far more unforgivable "offense" than Saddam Hussein's conversion of Iraq's oil exports to the euro in the fall of 2000; Iran is also encouraging other nations of the world to join them in setting up an international energy market linked to the Euro..."

Source: http://www.hermes-press.com/dollar_imperialism.htm

Here are the facts:

1.Oil drives economic growth.
2.There is no growth without an abundant Energy supply.
3.Economic depression soon descends when energy becomes scarce.
4.The military is completely dependant on OIL.
5.The BTC OIL pipeline that runs through Georgia is what the US desperately wants to control.
6.The Invasion of Iraq was for Oil.
7.The pending invasion of Iran is for Oil
8.The War in Afghanistan is to clear the way for oil and gas pipelines to run to the Indian Ocean.
9.A rush to secure as much energy as possible World Wide to maintain its empire has the USA involved in wars and conflict all over the planet.
10.The US missile defense shield being pushed in Eastern Europe is military aggression by America, plain and simple.
11.The Americans are desperate now because The Czech Republic & Poland are having second thoughts about the US puting military bases and weapons in their countries, so the US is arming Georgia and pushing them to attack South Osetia



Here, give me a few minutes to get my tinfoil hat dusted off so I can join you in conspiracy land.
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
March 07 2013 22:36 GMT
#3044
On March 08 2013 05:24 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 05:07 McBengt wrote:
Is there actually a point to filibustering white house nominees that I have failed to grasp? Aside from some kind of juvenile attempt to stick it to Obama? Are they seriously thinking they can keep these positions vacant?

To ask this means you missed the point of the filibuster.

Rand Paul didn't talk for 13 hours about nothing just to stick it to Obama. He was making a very specific point that the administration needs to be more forthcoming about its drone policy.

For now, most people aren't complaining simply because they trust Obama to do the right thing. He says the administration is very careful about selecting targets and trying to minimize collateral damage, and people believe him. But that's the problem. We don't know how he derives the authority to green-light drone strikes and what limits he has imposed on who can or cannot be a target. Rand Paul's point is that the public has a right to not take Obama's word for it.

This isn't just about terrorists either. Due process is not solely about the accused and the convicted. People should know what the administration has done to prevent or compensate for blunders. I think Paul is exaggerating severely by making his hypotheticals about Obama killing US citizens in the US, but I do want the administration to be more transparent.

Holding up Brennan's confirmation is a way to get Obama's attention.


I'll agree about the drone strikes, it's suspect at best and I understand the hackles it raises. I meant filibustering nominees as a more general method of opposition/obstruction.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
March 07 2013 22:43 GMT
#3045
On March 08 2013 07:27 FallenPrince wrote:
Is an American attack on Iran in the coming years inevitable?

"The next offensive in the cabal's dollar imperialism war will thus most likely be the unprovoked attack of Iran. The hidden reason for this attack is Iran's huge energy reserves--and its daring to create an oil bourse linked to the euro. The international cabal's attack on Iran is almost inevitable, because Iran is about to commit a far more unforgivable "offense" than Saddam Hussein's conversion of Iraq's oil exports to the euro in the fall of 2000; Iran is also encouraging other nations of the world to join them in setting up an international energy market linked to the Euro..."

Source: http://www.hermes-press.com/dollar_imperialism.htm

Here are the facts:

1.Oil drives economic growth.
2.There is no growth without an abundant Energy supply.
3.Economic depression soon descends when energy becomes scarce.
4.The military is completely dependant on OIL.
5.The BTC OIL pipeline that runs through Georgia is what the US desperately wants to control.
6.The Invasion of Iraq was for Oil.
7.The pending invasion of Iran is for Oil
8.The War in Afghanistan is to clear the way for oil and gas pipelines to run to the Indian Ocean.
9.A rush to secure as much energy as possible World Wide to maintain its empire has the USA involved in wars and conflict all over the planet.
10.The US missile defense shield being pushed in Eastern Europe is military aggression by America, plain and simple.
11.The Americans are desperate now because The Czech Republic & Poland are having second thoughts about the US puting military bases and weapons in their countries, so the US is arming Georgia and pushing them to attack South Osetia

Dude get with the times, we're obviously going to annex Canada:
US Is on Fast-Track to Energy Independence: Study

U.S. oil and gas production is evolving so rapidly—and demand is dropping so quickly—that in just five years the U.S. could no longer need to buy oil from any source but Canada, according to Citigroup's global head of commodities research.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14176 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 22:49:02
March 07 2013 22:47 GMT
#3046
USA doesn't really care about oil anymore. Between the canada oil sands (hopefully obama allows that to come into our control and not to get shipped right off to china) the dakota oil finds, the massive revolution in shale drilling in middle america, and the new Brazilian energy finds we're doing just fine over here in the new world. Russia and china are sitting next to eachother with all the natural resources in middle asia all to themselves while the rest of europe and india are being left out in the cold.

A few years and we're going to be running our semi's on liquefied natural gas anyway, China is the one that gives a shit about iranian oil. the eu is the one that gives a shit about iraqi oil.

TLDR: Obviously going to annex canada. Mexico too. Tacos with maple syrup. Fucking delicious.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
sc2superfan101
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
3583 Posts
March 07 2013 22:49 GMT
#3047
it's all that fracking. which is why I moved to North Dakota. oil boom means less than 3% unemployment. fucking sick, especially when you come from a place like California... ugh.

as long as the environmentalists don't get their way, our oil production is gonna be ridiculous pretty soon.
My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 07 2013 22:50 GMT
#3048
On March 08 2013 07:47 Sermokala wrote:
USA doesn't really care about oil anymore. Between the canada oil sands (hopefully obama allows that to come into our control and not to get shipped right off to china) the dakota oil finds, the massive revolution in shale drilling in middle america, and the new Brazilian energy finds we're doing just fine over here in the new world. Russia and china are sitting next to eachother with all the natural resources in middle asia all to themselves while the rest of europe and india are being left out in the cold.

A few years and we're going to be running our semi's on liquefied natural gas anyway, China is the one that gives a shit about iranian oil. the eu is the one that gives a shit about iraqi oil.


You are aware that the Keystone XL pipeline would/will lead directly to a port correct?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
March 07 2013 22:54 GMT
#3049
On March 08 2013 07:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 07:47 Sermokala wrote:
USA doesn't really care about oil anymore. Between the canada oil sands (hopefully obama allows that to come into our control and not to get shipped right off to china) the dakota oil finds, the massive revolution in shale drilling in middle america, and the new Brazilian energy finds we're doing just fine over here in the new world. Russia and china are sitting next to eachother with all the natural resources in middle asia all to themselves while the rest of europe and india are being left out in the cold.

A few years and we're going to be running our semi's on liquefied natural gas anyway, China is the one that gives a shit about iranian oil. the eu is the one that gives a shit about iraqi oil.


You are aware that the Keystone XL pipeline would/will lead directly to a port correct?

What's wrong with that? You don't like seamen?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 22:57:01
March 07 2013 22:56 GMT
#3050
On March 08 2013 07:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 07:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 08 2013 07:47 Sermokala wrote:
USA doesn't really care about oil anymore. Between the canada oil sands (hopefully obama allows that to come into our control and not to get shipped right off to china) the dakota oil finds, the massive revolution in shale drilling in middle america, and the new Brazilian energy finds we're doing just fine over here in the new world. Russia and china are sitting next to eachother with all the natural resources in middle asia all to themselves while the rest of europe and india are being left out in the cold.

A few years and we're going to be running our semi's on liquefied natural gas anyway, China is the one that gives a shit about iranian oil. the eu is the one that gives a shit about iraqi oil.


You are aware that the Keystone XL pipeline would/will lead directly to a port correct?

What's wrong with that? You don't like seamen?


No I don't like the constant saying "We'll be energy independent." When US as well as Canadian drilled Oil will be heading out to sea on Oil tankers. Heck the Keystone Pipeline hasn't been sued solely by Environmentalists but also by existing Oil refineries.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
March 07 2013 22:58 GMT
#3051
On March 08 2013 07:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 07:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On March 08 2013 07:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 08 2013 07:47 Sermokala wrote:
USA doesn't really care about oil anymore. Between the canada oil sands (hopefully obama allows that to come into our control and not to get shipped right off to china) the dakota oil finds, the massive revolution in shale drilling in middle america, and the new Brazilian energy finds we're doing just fine over here in the new world. Russia and china are sitting next to eachother with all the natural resources in middle asia all to themselves while the rest of europe and india are being left out in the cold.

A few years and we're going to be running our semi's on liquefied natural gas anyway, China is the one that gives a shit about iranian oil. the eu is the one that gives a shit about iraqi oil.


You are aware that the Keystone XL pipeline would/will lead directly to a port correct?

What's wrong with that? You don't like seamen?


No I don't like the constant saying "We'll be energy independent." When US as well as Canadian drilled Oil will be heading out to sea on Oil tankers. Heck the Keystone Pipeline hasn't been sued solely by Environmentalists but also by existing Oil refineries.

Gotta get it out of Cushing somehow...
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14176 Posts
March 07 2013 23:32 GMT
#3052
On March 08 2013 07:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 07:54 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
On March 08 2013 07:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On March 08 2013 07:47 Sermokala wrote:
USA doesn't really care about oil anymore. Between the canada oil sands (hopefully obama allows that to come into our control and not to get shipped right off to china) the dakota oil finds, the massive revolution in shale drilling in middle america, and the new Brazilian energy finds we're doing just fine over here in the new world. Russia and china are sitting next to eachother with all the natural resources in middle asia all to themselves while the rest of europe and india are being left out in the cold.

A few years and we're going to be running our semi's on liquefied natural gas anyway, China is the one that gives a shit about iranian oil. the eu is the one that gives a shit about iraqi oil.


You are aware that the Keystone XL pipeline would/will lead directly to a port correct?

What's wrong with that? You don't like seamen?


No I don't like the constant saying "We'll be energy independent." When US as well as Canadian drilled Oil will be heading out to sea on Oil tankers. Heck the Keystone Pipeline hasn't been sued solely by Environmentalists but also by existing Oil refineries.

Yeah it'll go straight from Canada to a tax free international oil port in Texas. But even still it'll be going straight though america instead of going west to Vancouver and then to the east. If it goes south into Texas it'll go east into the west.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
March 07 2013 23:36 GMT
#3053
On March 08 2013 06:48 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 06:40 Kimaker wrote:
On March 08 2013 06:29 Velr wrote:
Most non americans probably just see the pure stupidity to not just let them "veto", instead they have to put up some show so the media can go all batshit over it...

If you can't play the crowd, you will never win the crown. That simple.


Yeah, in reality TV that is.

Try in politics

If you think it's any more than that, you're deluding yourself.
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 08 2013 00:00 GMT
#3054
On March 08 2013 07:27 FallenPrince wrote:
Is an American attack on Iran in the coming years inevitable?

"The next offensive in the cabal's dollar imperialism war will thus most likely be the unprovoked attack of Iran. The hidden reason for this attack is Iran's huge energy reserves--and its daring to create an oil bourse linked to the euro. The international cabal's attack on Iran is almost inevitable, because Iran is about to commit a far more unforgivable "offense" than Saddam Hussein's conversion of Iraq's oil exports to the euro in the fall of 2000; Iran is also encouraging other nations of the world to join them in setting up an international energy market linked to the Euro..."

Source: http://www.hermes-press.com/dollar_imperialism.htm

Here are the facts:

1.Oil drives economic growth.
2.There is no growth without an abundant Energy supply.
3.Economic depression soon descends when energy becomes scarce.
4.The military is completely dependant on OIL.
5.The BTC OIL pipeline that runs through Georgia is what the US desperately wants to control.
6.The Invasion of Iraq was for Oil.
7.The pending invasion of Iran is for Oil
8.The War in Afghanistan is to clear the way for oil and gas pipelines to run to the Indian Ocean.
9.A rush to secure as much energy as possible World Wide to maintain its empire has the USA involved in wars and conflict all over the planet.
10.The US missile defense shield being pushed in Eastern Europe is military aggression by America, plain and simple.
11.The Americans are desperate now because The Czech Republic & Poland are having second thoughts about the US puting military bases and weapons in their countries, so the US is arming Georgia and pushing them to attack South Osetia



lol "inevitable". I would have expected a mises link or something.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 08 2013 00:35 GMT
#3055
Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-KY) epic 13-hour filibuster of John Brennan for CIA director finally came to an amicable resolution Thursday, but not before sparking a battle within the Republican Party hierarchy — the latest in a series of internal struggles the party has faced since the election.

On Paul’s side is the right-wing apparatus and their darlings in Congress — notably Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), who joined the filibuster. They were delighted by Paul’s highly public confrontation with the White House and cheered him on until the very end.

One the other side are the GOP foreign policy hawks, led by Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who are Washington’s chief guardians of broad executive power when it comes to dealing with the country’s enemies.

They were furious with Paul’s attacks on President Obama’s drone policy.

“To somehow allege or infer that the President of the United States is going to kill somebody like Jane Fonda, or somebody who disagrees with the policies, is a stretch of imagination which is, frankly, ridiculous,” McCain said Thursday morning on the Senate floor.

He read from a scathing Wall Street Journal editorial declaring that “if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what he’s talking about.”

That angered the wealthy conservative activist group FreedomWorks, which called McCain’s remarks “rude and out of line,” and slammed him for “schmoozing with President Obama over dinner” while Paul was mounting his “courageous filibuster.”

FreedomWorks was among the biggest cheerleaders of Paul’s filibuster and, along with the Heritage Foundation, helped light up news and social media with their passionate support. The intensity of the push was noticed by Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, who urged all Republican senators to “please go to the floor and help out” Paul. Fourteen of them went, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Infurated by McCain’s remarks the following morning, FreedomWorks proceeded to issue an action alert calling on its members to demand an apology from McCain. It encouraged its proclaimed 4 million members to send a letter to McCain.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
March 08 2013 01:06 GMT
#3056
On March 08 2013 09:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-KY) epic 13-hour filibuster of John Brennan for CIA director finally came to an amicable resolution Thursday, but not before sparking a battle within the Republican Party hierarchy — the latest in a series of internal struggles the party has faced since the election.

On Paul’s side is the right-wing apparatus and their darlings in Congress — notably Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), who joined the filibuster. They were delighted by Paul’s highly public confrontation with the White House and cheered him on until the very end.

One the other side are the GOP foreign policy hawks, led by Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who are Washington’s chief guardians of broad executive power when it comes to dealing with the country’s enemies.

They were furious with Paul’s attacks on President Obama’s drone policy.

“To somehow allege or infer that the President of the United States is going to kill somebody like Jane Fonda, or somebody who disagrees with the policies, is a stretch of imagination which is, frankly, ridiculous,” McCain said Thursday morning on the Senate floor.

He read from a scathing Wall Street Journal editorial declaring that “if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what he’s talking about.”

That angered the wealthy conservative activist group FreedomWorks, which called McCain’s remarks “rude and out of line,” and slammed him for “schmoozing with President Obama over dinner” while Paul was mounting his “courageous filibuster.”

FreedomWorks was among the biggest cheerleaders of Paul’s filibuster and, along with the Heritage Foundation, helped light up news and social media with their passionate support. The intensity of the push was noticed by Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, who urged all Republican senators to “please go to the floor and help out” Paul. Fourteen of them went, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Infurated by McCain’s remarks the following morning, FreedomWorks proceeded to issue an action alert calling on its members to demand an apology from McCain. It encouraged its proclaimed 4 million members to send a letter to McCain.


Source

More Republican in-fighting! Wooooo!
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
March 08 2013 01:08 GMT
#3057
On March 08 2013 10:06 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 09:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-KY) epic 13-hour filibuster of John Brennan for CIA director finally came to an amicable resolution Thursday, but not before sparking a battle within the Republican Party hierarchy — the latest in a series of internal struggles the party has faced since the election.

On Paul’s side is the right-wing apparatus and their darlings in Congress — notably Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), who joined the filibuster. They were delighted by Paul’s highly public confrontation with the White House and cheered him on until the very end.

One the other side are the GOP foreign policy hawks, led by Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who are Washington’s chief guardians of broad executive power when it comes to dealing with the country’s enemies.

They were furious with Paul’s attacks on President Obama’s drone policy.

“To somehow allege or infer that the President of the United States is going to kill somebody like Jane Fonda, or somebody who disagrees with the policies, is a stretch of imagination which is, frankly, ridiculous,” McCain said Thursday morning on the Senate floor.

He read from a scathing Wall Street Journal editorial declaring that “if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what he’s talking about.”

That angered the wealthy conservative activist group FreedomWorks, which called McCain’s remarks “rude and out of line,” and slammed him for “schmoozing with President Obama over dinner” while Paul was mounting his “courageous filibuster.”

FreedomWorks was among the biggest cheerleaders of Paul’s filibuster and, along with the Heritage Foundation, helped light up news and social media with their passionate support. The intensity of the push was noticed by Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, who urged all Republican senators to “please go to the floor and help out” Paul. Fourteen of them went, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Infurated by McCain’s remarks the following morning, FreedomWorks proceeded to issue an action alert calling on its members to demand an apology from McCain. It encouraged its proclaimed 4 million members to send a letter to McCain.


Source

More Republican in-fighting! Wooooo!


I'm hoping we see more of it. A divided party is much better for the country and our democracy, whichever party that may be. A republican civil war could get them back to a more justice-party-esque platform.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 08 2013 01:10 GMT
#3058
On March 08 2013 09:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-KY) epic 13-hour filibuster of John Brennan for CIA director finally came to an amicable resolution Thursday, but not before sparking a battle within the Republican Party hierarchy — the latest in a series of internal struggles the party has faced since the election.

On Paul’s side is the right-wing apparatus and their darlings in Congress — notably Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), who joined the filibuster. They were delighted by Paul’s highly public confrontation with the White House and cheered him on until the very end.

One the other side are the GOP foreign policy hawks, led by Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who are Washington’s chief guardians of broad executive power when it comes to dealing with the country’s enemies.

They were furious with Paul’s attacks on President Obama’s drone policy.

“To somehow allege or infer that the President of the United States is going to kill somebody like Jane Fonda, or somebody who disagrees with the policies, is a stretch of imagination which is, frankly, ridiculous,” McCain said Thursday morning on the Senate floor.

He read from a scathing Wall Street Journal editorial declaring that “if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what he’s talking about.”

That angered the wealthy conservative activist group FreedomWorks, which called McCain’s remarks “rude and out of line,” and slammed him for “schmoozing with President Obama over dinner” while Paul was mounting his “courageous filibuster.”

FreedomWorks was among the biggest cheerleaders of Paul’s filibuster and, along with the Heritage Foundation, helped light up news and social media with their passionate support. The intensity of the push was noticed by Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, who urged all Republican senators to “please go to the floor and help out” Paul. Fourteen of them went, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Infurated by McCain’s remarks the following morning, FreedomWorks proceeded to issue an action alert calling on its members to demand an apology from McCain. It encouraged its proclaimed 4 million members to send a letter to McCain.


Source


He read from a scathing Wall Street Journal editorial declaring that “if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what he’s talking about.”

Absolutely golden. So tired of seeing this sort of thing on Facebook and whatnot.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
March 08 2013 01:11 GMT
#3059
On March 08 2013 10:08 Roe wrote:
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On March 08 2013 10:06 aksfjh wrote:
On March 08 2013 09:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-KY) epic 13-hour filibuster of John Brennan for CIA director finally came to an amicable resolution Thursday, but not before sparking a battle within the Republican Party hierarchy — the latest in a series of internal struggles the party has faced since the election.

On Paul’s side is the right-wing apparatus and their darlings in Congress — notably Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), who joined the filibuster. They were delighted by Paul’s highly public confrontation with the White House and cheered him on until the very end.

One the other side are the GOP foreign policy hawks, led by Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who are Washington’s chief guardians of broad executive power when it comes to dealing with the country’s enemies.

They were furious with Paul’s attacks on President Obama’s drone policy.

“To somehow allege or infer that the President of the United States is going to kill somebody like Jane Fonda, or somebody who disagrees with the policies, is a stretch of imagination which is, frankly, ridiculous,” McCain said Thursday morning on the Senate floor.

He read from a scathing Wall Street Journal editorial declaring that “if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what he’s talking about.”

That angered the wealthy conservative activist group FreedomWorks, which called McCain’s remarks “rude and out of line,” and slammed him for “schmoozing with President Obama over dinner” while Paul was mounting his “courageous filibuster.”

FreedomWorks was among the biggest cheerleaders of Paul’s filibuster and, along with the Heritage Foundation, helped light up news and social media with their passionate support. The intensity of the push was noticed by Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, who urged all Republican senators to “please go to the floor and help out” Paul. Fourteen of them went, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Infurated by McCain’s remarks the following morning, FreedomWorks proceeded to issue an action alert calling on its members to demand an apology from McCain. It encouraged its proclaimed 4 million members to send a letter to McCain.


Source

More Republican in-fighting! Wooooo!


I'm hoping we see more of it. A divided party is much better for the country and our democracy, whichever party that may be. A republican civil war could get them back to a more justice-party-esque platform.

I'd be much more comfortable with a party that stands for something than a party of "No."
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 01:24:20
March 08 2013 01:13 GMT
#3060
On March 08 2013 10:06 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2013 09:35 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Sen. Rand Paul’s (R-KY) epic 13-hour filibuster of John Brennan for CIA director finally came to an amicable resolution Thursday, but not before sparking a battle within the Republican Party hierarchy — the latest in a series of internal struggles the party has faced since the election.

On Paul’s side is the right-wing apparatus and their darlings in Congress — notably Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz (R-TX), who joined the filibuster. They were delighted by Paul’s highly public confrontation with the White House and cheered him on until the very end.

One the other side are the GOP foreign policy hawks, led by Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who are Washington’s chief guardians of broad executive power when it comes to dealing with the country’s enemies.

They were furious with Paul’s attacks on President Obama’s drone policy.

“To somehow allege or infer that the President of the United States is going to kill somebody like Jane Fonda, or somebody who disagrees with the policies, is a stretch of imagination which is, frankly, ridiculous,” McCain said Thursday morning on the Senate floor.

He read from a scathing Wall Street Journal editorial declaring that “if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. He needs to know what he’s talking about.”

That angered the wealthy conservative activist group FreedomWorks, which called McCain’s remarks “rude and out of line,” and slammed him for “schmoozing with President Obama over dinner” while Paul was mounting his “courageous filibuster.”

FreedomWorks was among the biggest cheerleaders of Paul’s filibuster and, along with the Heritage Foundation, helped light up news and social media with their passionate support. The intensity of the push was noticed by Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, who urged all Republican senators to “please go to the floor and help out” Paul. Fourteen of them went, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY).

Infurated by McCain’s remarks the following morning, FreedomWorks proceeded to issue an action alert calling on its members to demand an apology from McCain. It encouraged its proclaimed 4 million members to send a letter to McCain.


Source

More Republican in-fighting! Wooooo!

It's not in-fighting, it's the final rattling breaths of the old guard. The "fight" has already been decided, the new generation of Republican voters already know the sort of candidate they like. Libertarian Conservatives will become the new GOP, and neo-cons will go the way of the dinosaurs.

In which case, the Dems had better be prepared for an absolute shit-storm of reorganization themselves in the next decade or two to match the changes in the oppositions strategy.

As far as I'm concerned, it's a fairly consistent cycle. The Dems move left faster than the Republicans, and thus set the relativistic political scale. In recent years we've moved further "left" as a culture, thus the Rep old guard felt outdated and had to figure out where to go. Once they do they gain dominance.

What'll happen is: for a few years you'll have people voting this "new" Republican for awhile (and fairly consistently) because public opinion moves slowly and people tend to be more comfortable with the more "conservative" candidate. Over time the Dems will push the relativistic scale even further left and the public will once more gravitate to the (relative) left. Republicans will reorganize the process will begin again.

I expect this will go on until the inevitable collapse of Western culture under the weight of it's one damning lie: Equality.
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