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On November 25 2014 15:16 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly. I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground. Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death. ye, he got the punishment he deserved. now he can move on and learn from the mistake, right?
Sad fact of the matter is that some mistakes are fatal. This kid clearly made one of those. You don't always get a second chance.
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On November 25 2014 15:10 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:03 ETisME wrote:On November 25 2014 14:54 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 14:52 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:45 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:39 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:35 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:32 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:30 RockIronrod wrote:On November 25 2014 14:27 Ace wrote:
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K, keep thinking people being oppressed is a joke. Funny isn't it? Keep defending the rioters who are destroying the community of the people who live there. Nothing says liberation like burning down a Walgreens. Maybe the white rioters that destroyed their community after the Giants game should get your scorn too then, right? Keep ignoring what's going on in that community and acting like ignorance is the word of the day. You don't know shit about what's going on in communities like Ferguson. What event are you referring to specifically? This is the 2nd time I have seen someone referencing sports related riots as if it is something only whites do. In my recollection they usually get the same scorn/mockery and police suppression that is happening right now. SF Giants World Series game. When those people rioted the attention was not even close to what these people are getting. Also remember the way CNN and FoxNews have been framing minorities for weeks leading up to this event. Black people are viewed as inherently violent and tend to riot when what's going on here is lashing out at a system due to frustration. But the pos in this thread don't see and won't understand that. Within the last 2 weeks two unarmed black males have been murdered by police and in both cases the cops are likely to walk. There is much more to this than "look, ignorant rioters!" going on. Some of you people are fucking disgusting. I wouldn't call people who see rioting as something that is bad and not helping anything "disgusting". Your right about media portrayal (frankly I don't know how we as a country continue to let them operate in the horrible fashion that they do). The kind of perception you are referring to is shockingly deep though (recently in my field we were fighting against that recently released crappyily done "scientific work of a nonscientist" about race that Nicholas Wade released). They are, and the racial overtones pouring out of their post are disgusting too. Nevermind not even understanding WHY these people are going berserk, but calling all of them ignorant when not everyone is out there vandalizing property. Many people really, really, don't understand what black people go through with respect to police in this country. So they think this lashing out behavior is just people being dumb. So many black males have been killed by police that have gotten the benefit of the doubt in recent years. Every time black people are told to be calm, let the system do it's job, vote if you want to change the law. And yet the killing of young black men still continues at the hands of police officers who are above the law. So when this happens again, and the decision is handed down in the wake of that 12 year old boy getting shot in the stomach and the 28 year old shot by a cop in the dark what do you think the sentiment is? Preaching patience does what? What is the alternative route that people should take? I don't think rioting is the best course of action but what is the solution when other avenues keep getting your people murdered and the killers unsanctioned? How ever did the civil rights movement ever work? Clearly the strong work of the black panthers were the very reason why the civil rights bill passed. /sarcasm for the blindly angered folks in this thread. Of course that's giving too much credit to the Rioters to compare them to the black panthers, at least the Panther provided for their community rather than teared it down. That doesn't mean violent riot doesn't bring any result though Hong Kong 1967 riot against the British government due to the racist and corruption etc was violent and after that the British gov reviewed their policies and brought a huge change to the society, so much that hong kongers no longer cause much issue ever since. Here, I just gave you one example of how a violent riot can turn things for better as well. It would be silly to think only civic disobedience movement can make changes. At least make relevant parallels...Christ people fucking suck at critical thinking. The British was going to cave because despite HK being a British colony, the English very much understood that they were on foreign lands that they owned. This is very different than 2 groups of people sharing a single land. Case in point, every single fucking ethnic conflict in Africa, a lot of shit sure gets accomplished there.
Umm..
I can reassure you the British did not crave in because of Hong Kong is borrowed.
The Chinese were busy dealing with their internal conflicts and hardly had any influence on hong kong.
Do you really think the British empire which exported drug to the Chinese and attacked and claimed the land would actually care that the land they own is borrowed?
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On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly. I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground. Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death. Sure. If he forced him then yes.
Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you.
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On November 25 2014 15:16 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:14 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 25 2014 15:11 zlefin wrote:On November 25 2014 15:07 Ace wrote:
Black people killing black people isn't even relevant here. Please, I URGE you not to bring that up as if it's some magic "aha" statement. White people kill each other all the time too - so what? It doesn't say anything about how white people are being treated by police. it's highly relevant to community priorities though; dealing with the primary cause of murder is more important than dealing with far rarer causes of murder; though both should of course be dealt with. Wrong. This is such a ridiculous line and anyone who brings up black on black crime in this context looks pathetically clueless. This has NOTHING to do with the primary causes of murder. This is about institutional discrimination and injustice. It's sad that you think murder is an unimportant issue; and dont' feel that all issues of murder should be addressed. Because that's what you're saying. There are multiple issues in play here; and one of them is that the primary source of murder isn't being discussed; but rather far rarer murders. That people refuse to consider discussing two important issues at the same time is no them. And dont' make the idiotic mistake of thinking that just because I bring up this issue, I'm unaware of the others.
I didn't say that at all. You are completely making shit up.
Just because one topic is in the spotlight doesn't mean others aren't being addressed. This reminds me of shortly after this shooting when a Fox anchor brought this exact issue up saying, "why aren't they discussing black on black crime ?" And the exact same day a video was circulated showing Al Sharpton giving a talk in Chicago about that very subject.
Just because you refuse to grasp the complex nature of reality and the capability of multiple issues being discussed separately doesn't mean that it doesn't occur.
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On November 25 2014 15:12 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:07 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 25 2014 14:52 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:45 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:39 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:35 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:32 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:30 RockIronrod wrote:On November 25 2014 14:27 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:24 Yergidy wrote:
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Completely agree. When I first saw all the shit they were doing I was so pissed.
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Oh, I think I know. They wanna get their free liqua. K, keep thinking people being oppressed is a joke. Funny isn't it? Keep defending the rioters who are destroying the community of the people who live there. Nothing says liberation like burning down a Walgreens. Maybe the white rioters that destroyed their community after the Giants game should get your scorn too then, right? Keep ignoring what's going on in that community and acting like ignorance is the word of the day. You don't know shit about what's going on in communities like Ferguson. What event are you referring to specifically? This is the 2nd time I have seen someone referencing sports related riots as if it is something only whites do. In my recollection they usually get the same scorn/mockery and police suppression that is happening right now. SF Giants World Series game. When those people rioted the attention was not even close to what these people are getting. Also remember the way CNN and FoxNews have been framing minorities for weeks leading up to this event. Black people are viewed as inherently violent and tend to riot when what's going on here is lashing out at a system due to frustration. But the pos in this thread don't see and won't understand that. Within the last 2 weeks two unarmed black males have been murdered by police and in both cases the cops are likely to walk. There is much more to this than "look, ignorant rioters!" going on. Some of you people are fucking disgusting. I wouldn't call people who see rioting as something that is bad and not helping anything "disgusting". Your right about media portrayal (frankly I don't know how we as a country continue to let them operate in the horrible fashion that they do). The kind of perception you are referring to is shockingly deep though (recently in my field we were fighting against that recently released crappyily done "scientific work of a nonscientist" about race that Nicholas Wade released). They are, and the racial overtones pouring out of their post are disgusting too. Nevermind not even understanding WHY these people are going berserk, but calling all of them ignorant when not everyone is out there vandalizing property. Many people really, really, don't understand what black people go through with respect to police in this country. So they think this lashing out behavior is just people being dumb. So many black males have been killed by police that have gotten the benefit of the doubt in recent years. Every time black people are told to be calm, let the system do it's job, vote if you want to change the law. And yet the killing of young black men still continues at the hands of police officers who are above the law. So when this happens again, and the decision is handed down in the wake of that 12 year old boy getting shot in the stomach and the 28 year old shot by a cop in the dark what do you think the sentiment is? Preaching patience does what? What is the alternative route that people should take? I don't think rioting is the best course of action but what is the solution when other avenues keep getting your people murdered and the killers unsanctioned? When a cop does something wrong, he / she should absolutely be punished. No one questions that. However, when a cop doesn't do something wrong he should not be punished. People seem to question that though, and it just makes the situation worse. See 'Boy cried Wolf', and police / community relations. I'm reminded of an NPR story I read a few months back where a black family lamented that they may have to resign themselves to a world where they need to tell their children to obey officers, out of fear for their children's safety. I furrowed my brow at that. Growing up white in a quiet suburb my parents told me the same thing, that if I was ever in trouble to just do what the officer said, and be VERY polite. 100% agreed. However, when the system that absolves the cop of wrong doing isn't exactly trusted then what course do the people have when it keeps happening? Watching McCulloch's press conference was down right disheartening. I was just as upset that this man came off in defense of Wilson, blaming social media and witness credibility, than I was at Wilson "getting off". It was a slap in the face. The second bolded is just that black family being obtuse. Everyone, regardless of color, should be telling their kids to obey officers. I don't know where that family is from but that is not a widespread sentiment in the communities I grew up in around NYC.
I interpreted McCulloch's press conference differently. To me he was defending the system, the decision and the evidence it was based off of. I thought it was brilliant, really.
For example, he pointed out that there were conflicting witness testimony (which the media reported on) and that the truthful witnesses were sorted out by looking to the physical evidence. So the media built up an expectation one way or another (by cherry picking testimony to go with whatever story you want to tell) that was separate from the objective truth.
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On November 25 2014 15:09 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:03 Vegetarian wrote:On November 25 2014 14:41 RockIronrod wrote:On November 25 2014 14:40 Vegetarian wrote:On November 25 2014 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 14:23 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:21 wei2coolman wrote:
The riot is fucking disgusting, ignorant people getting mad over shit they don't have full details of. It does nothing to the public image of minorities, when they pull stupid as fuck shit like this. go fuck yourself. Those people are rioting because Ferguson has long been a hotbed of political oppression towards black people. They are frustrated. Some ignorant people are there but this bullshit comment is exactly the type that is fed by misinformed racist pieces of shit. You don't understand what those people are going through. Fuck outta here. What? Rioting over lack of "justice"? Justice was fucking served, just because the result wasn't what people wanted, doesn't mean justice wasn't served. Rioting does nothing to promote their cause. What happened to the famous non-violent movement of MLK jr? You'd think he'd be proud of this shit? Most people would not consider justice to be shooting an unarmed man 6 times and getting away with it. It's easy to get outraged when you ignore the facts of the case, yes. You are the one who is ignoring basic facts. Police have bulletproof cars and carry batons, as well as tasers. There is no reason for police to ever shoot an unarmed man 6 times with a lethal weapon. You can't let a guy beat you until he takes your gun. It's too late then.
The problem is the instant damage escalade from hand-to-hand to firearm. The guy attacks to hurt, sure, fine. Then you respond with 6 bullets. You damn sure know it's to kill then, and pretty fast too. I mean, I know it's a complicated issue, but I don't think that it should be accepted so easily that you can just kill the guy who raises a fist against you, as a police officer (or anyone for that matter, but especially for combat-trained personel). Which however seems to be the common opinion in this thread: "he hit him, bruising his cheek, look, it's even red! Well, I now understand why the policeman shot him 6 times."
Bottom line: police force should be trained and tought to incapacitate first, kill second (read: never, but heh, that's in an ideal world)
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Black on Black crime is discussed far more than I think you guys realize. However, it isn't in the context of "black on black" but more so gang violence and problems in poor urban areas where majority of the victims are young black males. This is why I made the statement of "does anybody address white on white crimes?". Because it doesn't accurately describe the problem and isn't what Ferguson is all about.
On November 25 2014 15:22 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:12 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 15:07 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 25 2014 14:52 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:45 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:39 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:35 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:32 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:30 RockIronrod wrote:On November 25 2014 14:27 Ace wrote:
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K, keep thinking people being oppressed is a joke. Funny isn't it? Keep defending the rioters who are destroying the community of the people who live there. Nothing says liberation like burning down a Walgreens. Maybe the white rioters that destroyed their community after the Giants game should get your scorn too then, right? Keep ignoring what's going on in that community and acting like ignorance is the word of the day. You don't know shit about what's going on in communities like Ferguson. What event are you referring to specifically? This is the 2nd time I have seen someone referencing sports related riots as if it is something only whites do. In my recollection they usually get the same scorn/mockery and police suppression that is happening right now. SF Giants World Series game. When those people rioted the attention was not even close to what these people are getting. Also remember the way CNN and FoxNews have been framing minorities for weeks leading up to this event. Black people are viewed as inherently violent and tend to riot when what's going on here is lashing out at a system due to frustration. But the pos in this thread don't see and won't understand that. Within the last 2 weeks two unarmed black males have been murdered by police and in both cases the cops are likely to walk. There is much more to this than "look, ignorant rioters!" going on. Some of you people are fucking disgusting. I wouldn't call people who see rioting as something that is bad and not helping anything "disgusting". Your right about media portrayal (frankly I don't know how we as a country continue to let them operate in the horrible fashion that they do). The kind of perception you are referring to is shockingly deep though (recently in my field we were fighting against that recently released crappyily done "scientific work of a nonscientist" about race that Nicholas Wade released). They are, and the racial overtones pouring out of their post are disgusting too. Nevermind not even understanding WHY these people are going berserk, but calling all of them ignorant when not everyone is out there vandalizing property. Many people really, really, don't understand what black people go through with respect to police in this country. So they think this lashing out behavior is just people being dumb. So many black males have been killed by police that have gotten the benefit of the doubt in recent years. Every time black people are told to be calm, let the system do it's job, vote if you want to change the law. And yet the killing of young black men still continues at the hands of police officers who are above the law. So when this happens again, and the decision is handed down in the wake of that 12 year old boy getting shot in the stomach and the 28 year old shot by a cop in the dark what do you think the sentiment is? Preaching patience does what? What is the alternative route that people should take? I don't think rioting is the best course of action but what is the solution when other avenues keep getting your people murdered and the killers unsanctioned? When a cop does something wrong, he / she should absolutely be punished. No one questions that. However, when a cop doesn't do something wrong he should not be punished. People seem to question that though, and it just makes the situation worse. See 'Boy cried Wolf', and police / community relations. I'm reminded of an NPR story I read a few months back where a black family lamented that they may have to resign themselves to a world where they need to tell their children to obey officers, out of fear for their children's safety. I furrowed my brow at that. Growing up white in a quiet suburb my parents told me the same thing, that if I was ever in trouble to just do what the officer said, and be VERY polite. 100% agreed. However, when the system that absolves the cop of wrong doing isn't exactly trusted then what course do the people have when it keeps happening? Watching McCulloch's press conference was down right disheartening. I was just as upset that this man came off in defense of Wilson, blaming social media and witness credibility, than I was at Wilson "getting off". It was a slap in the face. The second bolded is just that black family being obtuse. Everyone, regardless of color, should be telling their kids to obey officers. I don't know where that family is from but that is not a widespread sentiment in the communities I grew up in around NYC. I interpreted McCulloch's press conference differently. To me he was defending the system, the decision and the evidence it was based off of. I thought it was brilliant, really. For example, he pointed out that there were conflicting witness testimony (which the media reported on) and that the truthful witnesses were sorted out by looking to the physical evidence. So the media built up an expectation one way or another (by cherry picking testimony to go with whatever story you want to tell) that was separate from the objective truth.
I felt like he was actually giving more a defense of why Wilson won't be charged than telling us where the prosecution failed. This is even more disturbing because of Ferguson's history of problems between citizens and the law. He really couldn't get an indictment at all? When his past was revealed it just made the situation that much more sickening. Again, I'm speaking from the perspective of someone who has seen "justice" do some disgusting things to my fellow minorities. If you aren't rich enough to hire the best lawyer, god help you when the State or some low nut is in charge of your defense.
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On November 25 2014 15:23 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:09 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On November 25 2014 15:03 Vegetarian wrote:On November 25 2014 14:41 RockIronrod wrote:On November 25 2014 14:40 Vegetarian wrote:On November 25 2014 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 14:23 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:21 wei2coolman wrote:
The riot is fucking disgusting, ignorant people getting mad over shit they don't have full details of. It does nothing to the public image of minorities, when they pull stupid as fuck shit like this. go fuck yourself. Those people are rioting because Ferguson has long been a hotbed of political oppression towards black people. They are frustrated. Some ignorant people are there but this bullshit comment is exactly the type that is fed by misinformed racist pieces of shit. You don't understand what those people are going through. Fuck outta here. What? Rioting over lack of "justice"? Justice was fucking served, just because the result wasn't what people wanted, doesn't mean justice wasn't served. Rioting does nothing to promote their cause. What happened to the famous non-violent movement of MLK jr? You'd think he'd be proud of this shit? Most people would not consider justice to be shooting an unarmed man 6 times and getting away with it. It's easy to get outraged when you ignore the facts of the case, yes. You are the one who is ignoring basic facts. Police have bulletproof cars and carry batons, as well as tasers. There is no reason for police to ever shoot an unarmed man 6 times with a lethal weapon. You can't let a guy beat you until he takes your gun. It's too late then. The problem is the instant damage escalade from hand-to-hand to firearm. The guy attacks to hurt, sure, fine. Then you respond with 6 bullets. You damn sure know it's to kill then, and pretty fast too. I mean, I know it's a complicated issue, but I don't think that it should be accepted so easily that you can just kill the guy who raises a fist against you, as a police officer (or anyone for that matter, but especially for combat-trained personel). Which however seems to be the common opinion in this thread: "he hit him, bruising his cheek, look, it's even red! Well, I now understand why the policeman shot him 6 times."
He was also reaching for his gun...
and the second that happens, it's instant escalation. Also adrenaline is a helluva drug.
And have you ever taken a hit to the back of the neck? again, I mentioned this earlier, there's a very fucking good reason why that strike is 100% banned in all combat sports. It's disproportionately effective.
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On November 25 2014 15:18 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:10 Judicator wrote:On November 25 2014 15:03 ETisME wrote:On November 25 2014 14:54 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 14:52 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:45 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:39 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:35 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:32 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:30 RockIronrod wrote:
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Keep defending the rioters who are destroying the community of the people who live there. Nothing says liberation like burning down a Walgreens. Maybe the white rioters that destroyed their community after the Giants game should get your scorn too then, right? Keep ignoring what's going on in that community and acting like ignorance is the word of the day. You don't know shit about what's going on in communities like Ferguson. What event are you referring to specifically? This is the 2nd time I have seen someone referencing sports related riots as if it is something only whites do. In my recollection they usually get the same scorn/mockery and police suppression that is happening right now. SF Giants World Series game. When those people rioted the attention was not even close to what these people are getting. Also remember the way CNN and FoxNews have been framing minorities for weeks leading up to this event. Black people are viewed as inherently violent and tend to riot when what's going on here is lashing out at a system due to frustration. But the pos in this thread don't see and won't understand that. Within the last 2 weeks two unarmed black males have been murdered by police and in both cases the cops are likely to walk. There is much more to this than "look, ignorant rioters!" going on. Some of you people are fucking disgusting. I wouldn't call people who see rioting as something that is bad and not helping anything "disgusting". Your right about media portrayal (frankly I don't know how we as a country continue to let them operate in the horrible fashion that they do). The kind of perception you are referring to is shockingly deep though (recently in my field we were fighting against that recently released crappyily done "scientific work of a nonscientist" about race that Nicholas Wade released). They are, and the racial overtones pouring out of their post are disgusting too. Nevermind not even understanding WHY these people are going berserk, but calling all of them ignorant when not everyone is out there vandalizing property. Many people really, really, don't understand what black people go through with respect to police in this country. So they think this lashing out behavior is just people being dumb. So many black males have been killed by police that have gotten the benefit of the doubt in recent years. Every time black people are told to be calm, let the system do it's job, vote if you want to change the law. And yet the killing of young black men still continues at the hands of police officers who are above the law. So when this happens again, and the decision is handed down in the wake of that 12 year old boy getting shot in the stomach and the 28 year old shot by a cop in the dark what do you think the sentiment is? Preaching patience does what? What is the alternative route that people should take? I don't think rioting is the best course of action but what is the solution when other avenues keep getting your people murdered and the killers unsanctioned? How ever did the civil rights movement ever work? Clearly the strong work of the black panthers were the very reason why the civil rights bill passed. /sarcasm for the blindly angered folks in this thread. Of course that's giving too much credit to the Rioters to compare them to the black panthers, at least the Panther provided for their community rather than teared it down. That doesn't mean violent riot doesn't bring any result though Hong Kong 1967 riot against the British government due to the racist and corruption etc was violent and after that the British gov reviewed their policies and brought a huge change to the society, so much that hong kongers no longer cause much issue ever since. Here, I just gave you one example of how a violent riot can turn things for better as well. It would be silly to think only civic disobedience movement can make changes. At least make relevant parallels...Christ people fucking suck at critical thinking. The British was going to cave because despite HK being a British colony, the English very much understood that they were on foreign lands that they owned. This is very different than 2 groups of people sharing a single land. Case in point, every single fucking ethnic conflict in Africa, a lot of shit sure gets accomplished there. Umm.. I can reassure you the British did not crave in because of Hong Kong is borrowed. The Chinese were busy dealing with their internal conflicts and hardly had any influence on hong kong. Do you really think the British empire which exported drug to the Chinese and attacked and claimed the land would actually care that the land they own is borrowed?
You honestly think that British perception of the land was borrowed? You honestly think that ANY of the colonial powers at the time in China were borrowed? China couldn't even get back a colony from a defeated Germany post-WW1 because of how other powers intervened, and you think that the British would rather give you guys an inch and sell it off as a mile?
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On November 25 2014 15:20 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:16 zlefin wrote:On November 25 2014 15:14 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 25 2014 15:11 zlefin wrote:On November 25 2014 15:07 Ace wrote:
Black people killing black people isn't even relevant here. Please, I URGE you not to bring that up as if it's some magic "aha" statement. White people kill each other all the time too - so what? It doesn't say anything about how white people are being treated by police. it's highly relevant to community priorities though; dealing with the primary cause of murder is more important than dealing with far rarer causes of murder; though both should of course be dealt with. Wrong. This is such a ridiculous line and anyone who brings up black on black crime in this context looks pathetically clueless. This has NOTHING to do with the primary causes of murder. This is about institutional discrimination and injustice. It's sad that you think murder is an unimportant issue; and dont' feel that all issues of murder should be addressed. Because that's what you're saying. There are multiple issues in play here; and one of them is that the primary source of murder isn't being discussed; but rather far rarer murders. That people refuse to consider discussing two important issues at the same time is no them. And dont' make the idiotic mistake of thinking that just because I bring up this issue, I'm unaware of the others. I didn't say that at all. You are completely making shit up. Just because one topic is in the spotlight doesn't mean others aren't being addressed. This reminds me of shortly after this shooting when a Fox anchor brought this exact issue up saying, "why aren't they discussing black on black crime ?" And the exact same day a video was circulated showing Al Sharpton giving a talk in Chicago about that very subject. Just because you refuse to grasp the complex nature of reality and the capability of multiple issues being discussed separately doesn't mean that it doesn't occur.
you're wrong. You did say it by implication; go back and read your words carefully. You should also not be so whiny about this. It just makes you look worse.
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On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly. I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground. Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death. Sure. If he forced him then yes. Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you.
In a world where fists are a deadly weapon, sure. The number of instances where cops engage in physical combat with an unarmed citizens are relatively large, the number of those that lead to deadly force being used is not:
The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) says 57,892 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year and 15,483 sustain serious injuries. The most recent FBI "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" (LEOKA) report indicates that 80.2% of the assaults against law enforcement in 2012 were committed by unarmed subjects. The 2012 LEOKA report also reveals that unarmed subject attacks are the leading cause of injury for law enforcement officers.
Presumably serious harm is something more than Wilson suffered -- but if you wish to quibble fine enough -- that still should suggest that there should be 15483 police shootings if your aritculation that an unarmed man charging a police officer constitutes as 'forcing to shoot'
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Bringing up Black on Black crime is just a distracting tactic. Its an entirely separate issue involving different types of interaction between different social groups with different issues to consider.
And seriously you would think that individuals who are meant to enforce and uphold the law would be held to a higher standard than the criminal element in poor neighborhoods.
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On November 25 2014 15:26 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly. I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground. Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death. Sure. If he forced him then yes. Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you. In a world where fists are a deadly weapon, sure. The number of instances where cops engage in physical combat with an unarmed citizens are relatively large, the number of those that lead to deadly force being used is not: Show nested quote +The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) says 57,892 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year and 15,483 sustain serious injuries. The most recent FBI "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" (LEOKA) report indicates that 80.2% of the assaults against law enforcement in 2012 were committed by unarmed subjects. The 2012 LEOKA report also reveals that unarmed subject attacks are the leading cause of injury for law enforcement officers. Presumably serious harm is something more than Wilson suffered -- but if you wish to quibble fine enough -- that still should suggest that there should be 15483 police shootings if your aritculation that an unarmed man charging a police officer constitutes as 'forcing to shoot'
1) Brown had gone for Wilson's firearm.
2) Brown had his hand in his waistband according to Wilson's testimony.
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On November 25 2014 15:08 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. This is such horse shit. What you and all these riot critics don't get is that the black community has no faith in the system. It's not that they don't understand it. It's that the "justice" system (which is a BS name since it had NOTHING to do with justice) has NEVER worked for the black community in the way that it does for the white community. The legal system had so much institutional anti-Black bias that they can't have faith in peaceful protests and voting. Rioting is a last resort.
my mistake, you are 100% correct. lighting several building on fire and gunfire should solve the majority of their problems.
In the context of Ferguson and the Martin case, the media chose some really shaky cases to flashpoint where self defense seems justifiable in light of the evidence that was presented.
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On November 25 2014 15:29 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:26 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly. I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground. Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death. Sure. If he forced him then yes. Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you. In a world where fists are a deadly weapon, sure. The number of instances where cops engage in physical combat with an unarmed citizens are relatively large, the number of those that lead to deadly force being used is not: The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) says 57,892 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year and 15,483 sustain serious injuries. The most recent FBI "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" (LEOKA) report indicates that 80.2% of the assaults against law enforcement in 2012 were committed by unarmed subjects. The 2012 LEOKA report also reveals that unarmed subject attacks are the leading cause of injury for law enforcement officers. Presumably serious harm is something more than Wilson suffered -- but if you wish to quibble fine enough -- that still should suggest that there should be 15483 police shootings if your aritculation that an unarmed man charging a police officer constitutes as 'forcing to shoot' 1) Brown had gone for Wilson's firearm. 2) Brown had his hand in his waistband according to Wilson's testimony.
According to the testimony of Wilson and no other witnesses.
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On November 25 2014 15:29 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:26 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly. I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground. Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death. Sure. If he forced him then yes. Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you. In a world where fists are a deadly weapon, sure. The number of instances where cops engage in physical combat with an unarmed citizens are relatively large, the number of those that lead to deadly force being used is not: The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) says 57,892 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year and 15,483 sustain serious injuries. The most recent FBI "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" (LEOKA) report indicates that 80.2% of the assaults against law enforcement in 2012 were committed by unarmed subjects. The 2012 LEOKA report also reveals that unarmed subject attacks are the leading cause of injury for law enforcement officers. Presumably serious harm is something more than Wilson suffered -- but if you wish to quibble fine enough -- that still should suggest that there should be 15483 police shootings if your aritculation that an unarmed man charging a police officer constitutes as 'forcing to shoot' 1) Brown had gone for Wilson's firearm. 2) Brown had his hand in his waistband according to Wilson's testimony.
Only a fool would blindly believe what a police offer said after he murdered an unarmed civilian.
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Ferguson has devolved into senselessness...
What is any of this nonsense doing for anyone.
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On November 25 2014 15:26 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:20 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 25 2014 15:16 zlefin wrote:On November 25 2014 15:14 Stratos_speAr wrote:On November 25 2014 15:11 zlefin wrote:On November 25 2014 15:07 Ace wrote:
Black people killing black people isn't even relevant here. Please, I URGE you not to bring that up as if it's some magic "aha" statement. White people kill each other all the time too - so what? It doesn't say anything about how white people are being treated by police. it's highly relevant to community priorities though; dealing with the primary cause of murder is more important than dealing with far rarer causes of murder; though both should of course be dealt with. Wrong. This is such a ridiculous line and anyone who brings up black on black crime in this context looks pathetically clueless. This has NOTHING to do with the primary causes of murder. This is about institutional discrimination and injustice. It's sad that you think murder is an unimportant issue; and dont' feel that all issues of murder should be addressed. Because that's what you're saying. There are multiple issues in play here; and one of them is that the primary source of murder isn't being discussed; but rather far rarer murders. That people refuse to consider discussing two important issues at the same time is no them. And dont' make the idiotic mistake of thinking that just because I bring up this issue, I'm unaware of the others. I didn't say that at all. You are completely making shit up. Just because one topic is in the spotlight doesn't mean others aren't being addressed. This reminds me of shortly after this shooting when a Fox anchor brought this exact issue up saying, "why aren't they discussing black on black crime ?" And the exact same day a video was circulated showing Al Sharpton giving a talk in Chicago about that very subject. Just because you refuse to grasp the complex nature of reality and the capability of multiple issues being discussed separately doesn't mean that it doesn't occur. you're wrong. You did say it by implication; go back and read your words carefully. You should also not be so whiny about this. It just makes you look worse.
Nothing I said implied that the primary causes of murder in the black community are unimportant. I said that this is not the issue at hand with this case. The only one here looking worse right now is you because you are attempting to make a straw man to argue with because you have nothing to say to this obvious point.
If you want to be condescending about my reading comprehension you should probably get it correct first.
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On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly. I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground. Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death. Sure. If he forced him then yes. Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you.
Bullshit. I already posted videos of cops being charged, punched, threatened, and more, none of which resulted in gunshots.
Brown was allegedly charging the officer for a minimum of 7 seconds. Officer Wilson claims he didn't shoot until he "reached for his waistband" and started charging.
One can walk up to about 4.5 mph jogging is in between 5-6 mph a sprint or charge would be something faster.
So if Brown was moving at the speed of a speed walker He would of covered about 46ft while he was 'charging' 56ft at a jog,
At a 10 mph 'sprint' he would of covered ~100ft.
Wilson didn't start backpeddling until after at least the first barrage of shots (Unclear because Wilson claims 2 breaks in firing while he was charging while the audio only indicates one break.)
It's pretty clear that we don't have an accurate accounting of what actually happened in those last moments yet or maybe ever.
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