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Black people killing black people isn't even relevant here. Please, I URGE you not to bring that up as if it's some magic "aha" statement. White people kill each other all the time too - so what? It doesn't say anything about how white people are being treated by police.
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You know 2 separate coroners examined Michael Brown's body right?
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On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works.
Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly.
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On November 25 2014 15:03 Vegetarian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 14:41 RockIronrod wrote:On November 25 2014 14:40 Vegetarian wrote:On November 25 2014 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 14:23 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:21 wei2coolman wrote:
The riot is fucking disgusting, ignorant people getting mad over shit they don't have full details of. It does nothing to the public image of minorities, when they pull stupid as fuck shit like this. go fuck yourself. Those people are rioting because Ferguson has long been a hotbed of political oppression towards black people. They are frustrated. Some ignorant people are there but this bullshit comment is exactly the type that is fed by misinformed racist pieces of shit. You don't understand what those people are going through. Fuck outta here. What? Rioting over lack of "justice"? Justice was fucking served, just because the result wasn't what people wanted, doesn't mean justice wasn't served. Rioting does nothing to promote their cause. What happened to the famous non-violent movement of MLK jr? You'd think he'd be proud of this shit? Most people would not consider justice to be shooting an unarmed man 6 times and getting away with it. It's easy to get outraged when you ignore the facts of the case, yes. You are the one who is ignoring basic facts. Police have bulletproof cars and carry batons, as well as tasers. There is no reason for police to ever shoot an unarmed man 6 times with a lethal weapon.
Brown went for his gun first which escalated things and afterwards was charging at him, not going down after multiple gunshots. You realize that if Wilson was using his tazer and it failed (which they do a lot, especially against people who keep charging through multiple gunshot wounds) he was basically dead, right?
Again, please pay attention to the facts of the case instead of circlejerking over how awful police are.
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On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works.
This is such horse shit. What you and all these riot critics don't get is that the black community has no faith in the system. It's not that they don't understand it. It's that the "justice" system (which is a BS name since it had NOTHING to do with justice) has NEVER worked for the black community in the way that it does for the white community. The legal system had so much institutional anti-Black bias that they can't have faith in peaceful protests and voting. Rioting is a last resort.
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On November 25 2014 15:03 Vegetarian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 14:41 RockIronrod wrote:On November 25 2014 14:40 Vegetarian wrote:On November 25 2014 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 14:23 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:21 wei2coolman wrote:
The riot is fucking disgusting, ignorant people getting mad over shit they don't have full details of. It does nothing to the public image of minorities, when they pull stupid as fuck shit like this. go fuck yourself. Those people are rioting because Ferguson has long been a hotbed of political oppression towards black people. They are frustrated. Some ignorant people are there but this bullshit comment is exactly the type that is fed by misinformed racist pieces of shit. You don't understand what those people are going through. Fuck outta here. What? Rioting over lack of "justice"? Justice was fucking served, just because the result wasn't what people wanted, doesn't mean justice wasn't served. Rioting does nothing to promote their cause. What happened to the famous non-violent movement of MLK jr? You'd think he'd be proud of this shit? Most people would not consider justice to be shooting an unarmed man 6 times and getting away with it. It's easy to get outraged when you ignore the facts of the case, yes. You are the one who is ignoring basic facts. Police have bulletproof cars and carry batons, as well as tasers. There is no reason for police to ever shoot an unarmed man 6 times with a lethal weapon.
You can't let a guy beat you until he takes your gun. It's too late then.
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On November 25 2014 15:03 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 14:54 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 14:52 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:45 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:39 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:35 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:32 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:30 RockIronrod wrote:On November 25 2014 14:27 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:24 Yergidy wrote:
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Completely agree. When I first saw all the shit they were doing I was so pissed.
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Oh, I think I know. They wanna get their free liqua. K, keep thinking people being oppressed is a joke. Funny isn't it? Keep defending the rioters who are destroying the community of the people who live there. Nothing says liberation like burning down a Walgreens. Maybe the white rioters that destroyed their community after the Giants game should get your scorn too then, right? Keep ignoring what's going on in that community and acting like ignorance is the word of the day. You don't know shit about what's going on in communities like Ferguson. What event are you referring to specifically? This is the 2nd time I have seen someone referencing sports related riots as if it is something only whites do. In my recollection they usually get the same scorn/mockery and police suppression that is happening right now. SF Giants World Series game. When those people rioted the attention was not even close to what these people are getting. Also remember the way CNN and FoxNews have been framing minorities for weeks leading up to this event. Black people are viewed as inherently violent and tend to riot when what's going on here is lashing out at a system due to frustration. But the pos in this thread don't see and won't understand that. Within the last 2 weeks two unarmed black males have been murdered by police and in both cases the cops are likely to walk. There is much more to this than "look, ignorant rioters!" going on. Some of you people are fucking disgusting. I wouldn't call people who see rioting as something that is bad and not helping anything "disgusting". Your right about media portrayal (frankly I don't know how we as a country continue to let them operate in the horrible fashion that they do). The kind of perception you are referring to is shockingly deep though (recently in my field we were fighting against that recently released crappyily done "scientific work of a nonscientist" about race that Nicholas Wade released). They are, and the racial overtones pouring out of their post are disgusting too. Nevermind not even understanding WHY these people are going berserk, but calling all of them ignorant when not everyone is out there vandalizing property. Many people really, really, don't understand what black people go through with respect to police in this country. So they think this lashing out behavior is just people being dumb. So many black males have been killed by police that have gotten the benefit of the doubt in recent years. Every time black people are told to be calm, let the system do it's job, vote if you want to change the law. And yet the killing of young black men still continues at the hands of police officers who are above the law. So when this happens again, and the decision is handed down in the wake of that 12 year old boy getting shot in the stomach and the 28 year old shot by a cop in the dark what do you think the sentiment is? Preaching patience does what? What is the alternative route that people should take? I don't think rioting is the best course of action but what is the solution when other avenues keep getting your people murdered and the killers unsanctioned? How ever did the civil rights movement ever work? Clearly the strong work of the black panthers were the very reason why the civil rights bill passed. /sarcasm for the blindly angered folks in this thread. Of course that's giving too much credit to the Rioters to compare them to the black panthers, at least the Panther provided for their community rather than teared it down. That doesn't mean violent riot doesn't bring any result though Hong Kong 1967 riot against the British government due to the racist and corruption etc was violent and after that the British gov reviewed their policies and brought a huge change to the society, so much that hong kongers no longer cause much issue ever since. Here, I just gave you one example of how a violent riot can turn things for better as well. It would be silly to think only civic disobedience movement can make changes.
At least make relevant parallels...Christ people fucking suck at critical thinking. The British was going to cave because despite HK being a British colony, the English very much understood that they were on foreign lands that they owned. This is very different than 2 groups of people sharing a single land. Case in point, every single fucking ethnic conflict in Africa, a lot of shit sure gets accomplished there.
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On November 25 2014 15:07 Ace wrote:
Black people killing black people isn't even relevant here. Please, I URGE you not to bring that up as if it's some magic "aha" statement. White people kill each other all the time too - so what? It doesn't say anything about how white people are being treated by police.
it's highly relevant to community priorities though; dealing with the primary cause of murder is more important than dealing with far rarer causes of murder; though both should of course be dealt with.
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On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly.
I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground.
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On November 25 2014 15:08 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. This is such horse shit. What you and all these riot critics don't get is that the black community has no faith in the system. It's not that they don't understand it. It's that the "justice" system (which is a BS name since it had NOTHING to do with justice) has NEVER worked for the black community in the way that it does for the white community. The legal system had so much institutional anti-Black bias that they can't have faith in peaceful protests and voting. Rioting is a last resort.
If that's true than they should pick a case to riot over where justice isn't served.
Have a peaceful protest next time a black man gets a long sentence for non-violent drug possession. Lots of white kids will want to get in on that protest too.
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On November 25 2014 15:07 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 14:52 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:45 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:39 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:35 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:32 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:30 RockIronrod wrote:On November 25 2014 14:27 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:24 Yergidy wrote:On November 25 2014 14:21 wei2coolman wrote:
The riot is fucking disgusting, ignorant people getting mad over shit they don't have full details of. It does nothing to the public image of minorities, when they pull stupid as fuck shit like this. Completely agree. When I first saw all the shit they were doing I was so pissed. On November 25 2014 14:23 Ace wrote:
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go fuck yourself. Those people are rioting because Ferguson has long been a hotbed of political oppression towards black people. They are frustrated. Some ignorant people are there but this bullshit comment is exactly the type that is fed by misinformed racist pieces of shit. You don't understand what those people are going through. Fuck outta here. Oh, I think I know. They wanna get their free liqua. K, keep thinking people being oppressed is a joke. Funny isn't it? Keep defending the rioters who are destroying the community of the people who live there. Nothing says liberation like burning down a Walgreens. Maybe the white rioters that destroyed their community after the Giants game should get your scorn too then, right? Keep ignoring what's going on in that community and acting like ignorance is the word of the day. You don't know shit about what's going on in communities like Ferguson. What event are you referring to specifically? This is the 2nd time I have seen someone referencing sports related riots as if it is something only whites do. In my recollection they usually get the same scorn/mockery and police suppression that is happening right now. SF Giants World Series game. When those people rioted the attention was not even close to what these people are getting. Also remember the way CNN and FoxNews have been framing minorities for weeks leading up to this event. Black people are viewed as inherently violent and tend to riot when what's going on here is lashing out at a system due to frustration. But the pos in this thread don't see and won't understand that. Within the last 2 weeks two unarmed black males have been murdered by police and in both cases the cops are likely to walk. There is much more to this than "look, ignorant rioters!" going on. Some of you people are fucking disgusting. I wouldn't call people who see rioting as something that is bad and not helping anything "disgusting". Your right about media portrayal (frankly I don't know how we as a country continue to let them operate in the horrible fashion that they do). The kind of perception you are referring to is shockingly deep though (recently in my field we were fighting against that recently released crappyily done "scientific work of a nonscientist" about race that Nicholas Wade released). They are, and the racial overtones pouring out of their post are disgusting too. Nevermind not even understanding WHY these people are going berserk, but calling all of them ignorant when not everyone is out there vandalizing property. Many people really, really, don't understand what black people go through with respect to police in this country. So they think this lashing out behavior is just people being dumb. So many black males have been killed by police that have gotten the benefit of the doubt in recent years. Every time black people are told to be calm, let the system do it's job, vote if you want to change the law. And yet the killing of young black men still continues at the hands of police officers who are above the law. So when this happens again, and the decision is handed down in the wake of that 12 year old boy getting shot in the stomach and the 28 year old shot by a cop in the dark what do you think the sentiment is? Preaching patience does what? What is the alternative route that people should take? I don't think rioting is the best course of action but what is the solution when other avenues keep getting your people murdered and the killers unsanctioned? When a cop does something wrong, he / she should absolutely be punished. No one questions that. However, when a cop doesn't do something wrong he should not be punished. People seem to question that though, and it just makes the situation worse. See 'Boy cried Wolf', and police / community relations. I'm reminded of an NPR story I read a few months back where a black family lamented that they may have to resign themselves to a world where they need to tell their children to obey officers, out of fear for their children's safety. I furrowed my brow at that. Growing up white in a quiet suburb my parents told me the same thing, that if I was ever in trouble to just do what the officer said, and be VERY polite.
100% agreed. However, when the system that absolves the cop of wrong doing isn't exactly trusted then what course do the people have when it keeps happening? Watching McCulloch's press conference was down right disheartening. I was just as upset that this man came off in defense of Wilson, blaming social media and witness credibility, than I was at Wilson "getting off". It was a slap in the face.
The second bolded is just that black family being obtuse. Everyone, regardless of color, should be telling their kids to obey officers. I don't know where that family is from but that is not a widespread sentiment in the communities I grew up in around NYC.
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On November 25 2014 15:07 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 14:52 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:45 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:39 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:35 Slaughter wrote:On November 25 2014 14:32 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:30 RockIronrod wrote:On November 25 2014 14:27 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:24 Yergidy wrote:On November 25 2014 14:21 wei2coolman wrote:
The riot is fucking disgusting, ignorant people getting mad over shit they don't have full details of. It does nothing to the public image of minorities, when they pull stupid as fuck shit like this. Completely agree. When I first saw all the shit they were doing I was so pissed. On November 25 2014 14:23 Ace wrote:
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go fuck yourself. Those people are rioting because Ferguson has long been a hotbed of political oppression towards black people. They are frustrated. Some ignorant people are there but this bullshit comment is exactly the type that is fed by misinformed racist pieces of shit. You don't understand what those people are going through. Fuck outta here. Oh, I think I know. They wanna get their free liqua. K, keep thinking people being oppressed is a joke. Funny isn't it? Keep defending the rioters who are destroying the community of the people who live there. Nothing says liberation like burning down a Walgreens. Maybe the white rioters that destroyed their community after the Giants game should get your scorn too then, right? Keep ignoring what's going on in that community and acting like ignorance is the word of the day. You don't know shit about what's going on in communities like Ferguson. What event are you referring to specifically? This is the 2nd time I have seen someone referencing sports related riots as if it is something only whites do. In my recollection they usually get the same scorn/mockery and police suppression that is happening right now. SF Giants World Series game. When those people rioted the attention was not even close to what these people are getting. Also remember the way CNN and FoxNews have been framing minorities for weeks leading up to this event. Black people are viewed as inherently violent and tend to riot when what's going on here is lashing out at a system due to frustration. But the pos in this thread don't see and won't understand that. Within the last 2 weeks two unarmed black males have been murdered by police and in both cases the cops are likely to walk. There is much more to this than "look, ignorant rioters!" going on. Some of you people are fucking disgusting. I wouldn't call people who see rioting as something that is bad and not helping anything "disgusting". Your right about media portrayal (frankly I don't know how we as a country continue to let them operate in the horrible fashion that they do). The kind of perception you are referring to is shockingly deep though (recently in my field we were fighting against that recently released crappyily done "scientific work of a nonscientist" about race that Nicholas Wade released). They are, and the racial overtones pouring out of their post are disgusting too. Nevermind not even understanding WHY these people are going berserk, but calling all of them ignorant when not everyone is out there vandalizing property. Many people really, really, don't understand what black people go through with respect to police in this country. So they think this lashing out behavior is just people being dumb. So many black males have been killed by police that have gotten the benefit of the doubt in recent years. Every time black people are told to be calm, let the system do it's job, vote if you want to change the law. And yet the killing of young black men still continues at the hands of police officers who are above the law. So when this happens again, and the decision is handed down in the wake of that 12 year old boy getting shot in the stomach and the 28 year old shot by a cop in the dark what do you think the sentiment is? Preaching patience does what? What is the alternative route that people should take? I don't think rioting is the best course of action but what is the solution when other avenues keep getting your people murdered and the killers unsanctioned? When a cop does something wrong, he / she should absolutely be punished. No one questions that. However, when a cop doesn't do something wrong he should not be punished. People seem to question that though, and it just makes the situation worse. See 'Boy cried Wolf', and police / community relations. I'm reminded of an NPR story I read a few months back where a black family lamented that they may have to resign themselves to a world where they need to tell their children to obey officers, out of fear for their children's safety. I furrowed my brow at that. Growing up white in a quiet suburb my parents told me the same thing, that if I was ever in trouble to just do what the officer said, and be VERY polite.
yeah with the small distinction that something like racism against whites from the police is quite the curiosity. police oppression sure, police men can be harsh dicks in rare cases to just about anyone.
but the inherent racism, based on the daily experience and preconceived notions is something only minorities face.
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On November 25 2014 15:11 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:07 Ace wrote:
Black people killing black people isn't even relevant here. Please, I URGE you not to bring that up as if it's some magic "aha" statement. White people kill each other all the time too - so what? It doesn't say anything about how white people are being treated by police. it's highly relevant to community priorities though; dealing with the primary cause of murder is more important than dealing with far rarer causes of murder; though both should of course be dealt with.
Wrong.
This is such a ridiculous line and anyone who brings up black on black crime in this context looks pathetically clueless.
This has NOTHING to do with the primary causes of murder. This is about institutional discrimination and injustice.
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On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly. I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground.
Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death.
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On November 25 2014 15:11 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:07 Ace wrote:
Black people killing black people isn't even relevant here. Please, I URGE you not to bring that up as if it's some magic "aha" statement. White people kill each other all the time too - so what? It doesn't say anything about how white people are being treated by police. it's highly relevant to community priorities though; dealing with the primary cause of murder is more important than dealing with far rarer causes of murder; though both should of course be dealt with.
I'm just going to say that is a different topic altogether. Especially since "black on black" crime is a very...deep subject. It is a problem but in situations like this I don't think it is correct to bring it up. It frames the conversation in a way that ignores what these people in Ferguson are upset about.
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On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly. I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground. Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death.
ye, he got the punishment he deserved. now he can move on and learn from the mistake, right?
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On November 25 2014 15:14 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:11 zlefin wrote:On November 25 2014 15:07 Ace wrote:
Black people killing black people isn't even relevant here. Please, I URGE you not to bring that up as if it's some magic "aha" statement. White people kill each other all the time too - so what? It doesn't say anything about how white people are being treated by police. it's highly relevant to community priorities though; dealing with the primary cause of murder is more important than dealing with far rarer causes of murder; though both should of course be dealt with. Wrong. This is such a ridiculous line and anyone who brings up black on black crime in this context looks pathetically clueless. This has NOTHING to do with the primary causes of murder. This is about institutional discrimination and injustice.
It's sad that you think murder is an unimportant issue; and dont' feel that all issues of murder should be addressed. Because that's what you're saying.
There are multiple issues in play here; and one of them is that the primary source of murder isn't being discussed; but rather far rarer murders.
That people refuse to consider discussing two important issues at the same time is on them. And dont' make the idiotic mistake of thinking that just because I bring up this issue, I'm unaware of the others.
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the court and jury system will just insulate the 'system' from any pressure exerted by 'fear of rioting.' the anger is better directed at reforming policy.
if there is 'tyranny' from the police and community level prejudice, it is micro interactions based rather than grand system. social movements of the large scale protest/rioting variety is more effective against the latter than the former.
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On November 25 2014 15:09 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:03 Vegetarian wrote:On November 25 2014 14:41 RockIronrod wrote:On November 25 2014 14:40 Vegetarian wrote:On November 25 2014 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:On November 25 2014 14:23 Ace wrote:On November 25 2014 14:21 wei2coolman wrote:
The riot is fucking disgusting, ignorant people getting mad over shit they don't have full details of. It does nothing to the public image of minorities, when they pull stupid as fuck shit like this. go fuck yourself. Those people are rioting because Ferguson has long been a hotbed of political oppression towards black people. They are frustrated. Some ignorant people are there but this bullshit comment is exactly the type that is fed by misinformed racist pieces of shit. You don't understand what those people are going through. Fuck outta here. What? Rioting over lack of "justice"? Justice was fucking served, just because the result wasn't what people wanted, doesn't mean justice wasn't served. Rioting does nothing to promote their cause. What happened to the famous non-violent movement of MLK jr? You'd think he'd be proud of this shit? Most people would not consider justice to be shooting an unarmed man 6 times and getting away with it. It's easy to get outraged when you ignore the facts of the case, yes. You are the one who is ignoring basic facts. Police have bulletproof cars and carry batons, as well as tasers. There is no reason for police to ever shoot an unarmed man 6 times with a lethal weapon. You can't let a guy beat you until he takes your gun. It's too late then.
The guy had to be 50ft or more away when he started shooting.
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On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:On November 25 2014 15:02 URfavHO wrote:
I get the impression that african american's are uninformed of how the justice system works. Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly. I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground. Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death.
Sure. If he forced him then yes.
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