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killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
November 25 2014 06:59 GMT
#29221
On November 25 2014 15:36 Gamegene wrote:
Personally, I don't really care about whether Wilson escaped justice or whatever but... shit man some of the things that were shown live on camera...

Public perception of Black Americans took a hit tonight.


Not really. As sad as it is, I don't think many people found the riot unexpected.

On November 25 2014 15:39 Vegetarian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 15:34 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:30 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:29 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:26 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:08 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
Pretty much, but they know enough to know that they often get screwed by the justice system. I don't blame them for wanting change. However, picking Michael Brown as the poster boy for their grievances is nothing short of retarded. This is a kid who made some incredibly bad choices and paid accordingly.

I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground.

Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death.

Sure. If he forced him then yes.

Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you.

In a world where fists are a deadly weapon, sure. The number of instances where cops engage in physical combat with an unarmed citizens are relatively large, the number of those that lead to deadly force being used is not:
The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) says 57,892 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year and 15,483 sustain serious injuries. The most recent FBI "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" (LEOKA) report indicates that 80.2% of the assaults against law enforcement in 2012 were committed by unarmed subjects. The 2012 LEOKA report also reveals that unarmed subject attacks are the leading cause of injury for law enforcement officers.

Presumably serious harm is something more than Wilson suffered -- but if you wish to quibble fine enough -- that still should suggest that there should be 15483 police shootings if your aritculation that an unarmed man charging a police officer constitutes as 'forcing to shoot'


1) Brown had gone for Wilson's firearm.
2) Brown had his hand in his waistband according to Wilson's testimony.


Only a fool would blindly believe what a police offer said after he murdered an unarmed civilian.

1) He was right about literally everything else.
2) It's irrelevant since Brown was charging him and had already gone for his firearm so the use of a gun was justified with or without the waistband thing.
3) He didn't murder anyone, it was self-defence. You're just mad because you fell for the media's racebaiting and are ignoring all the evidence that goes against that narrative.


1) nope
2) not irrelevant as police have feet and should exercise all other options before choosing to shoot a lethal weapon at an unarmed civilian
3)its not self defense, keep in mind that the police officer instigated the confrontation by stopping brown solely to harass him, not because he was suspected of any crime.

You are the one that has been fooled by every unsubstantiated statement that the police have made. You should train your brain so that you are not fooled as easily in the future.


What? You're the one whose bought into what the media showed you, lol. Why is everyone acting like him being unarmed is this massive deal? Does no one realize that Brown was huge in comparison to the cop?
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
November 25 2014 07:01 GMT
#29222
On November 25 2014 15:56 ZenithM wrote:
I can't find Dorian Johnson's testimony in the transcript, can't Ctrl+F that shit :/

Just for you, I'm letting Acrobat do its text recognition thing on the entire document.

I'll upload it somewhere for ya in ~10 minutes or so
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-25 07:06:44
November 25 2014 07:01 GMT
#29223
Does no one realize that Brown was huge in comparison to the cop?

He had the same height (6'4), and 90 lbs more, so yeah, huge, but the cop wasn't a small man either.

Wilson's testimony is interesting for sure. I don't know what to think, some things in it don't make much sense: he deep analysis and decision making process of how the gun was the only stuff Wilson could pull out of his belt to respond to Brown. And like how Wilson feels like the unarmed guy with 4 bullets in his body who's running at him is going to kill him if he reaches him. Wilson is still holding his gun with like 4 bullets in it.
Otherwise, it kinda holds, I guess.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 25 2014 07:05 GMT
#29224
Yea, sure. Being bigger than him warrants a trained officer in panicking and shooting him. You people are unbelievable.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24361 Posts
November 25 2014 07:06 GMT
#29225
On November 25 2014 15:59 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 15:36 Gamegene wrote:
Personally, I don't really care about whether Wilson escaped justice or whatever but... shit man some of the things that were shown live on camera...

Public perception of Black Americans took a hit tonight.


Not really. As sad as it is, I don't think many people found the riot unexpected.

Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 15:39 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:34 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:30 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:29 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:26 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:12 Sub40APM wrote:
[quote]
I agree up to the last two words. If stupidity was truly a capital crime the American population would be a lot thinner on the ground.

Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death.

Sure. If he forced him then yes.

Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you.

In a world where fists are a deadly weapon, sure. The number of instances where cops engage in physical combat with an unarmed citizens are relatively large, the number of those that lead to deadly force being used is not:
The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) says 57,892 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year and 15,483 sustain serious injuries. The most recent FBI "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" (LEOKA) report indicates that 80.2% of the assaults against law enforcement in 2012 were committed by unarmed subjects. The 2012 LEOKA report also reveals that unarmed subject attacks are the leading cause of injury for law enforcement officers.

Presumably serious harm is something more than Wilson suffered -- but if you wish to quibble fine enough -- that still should suggest that there should be 15483 police shootings if your aritculation that an unarmed man charging a police officer constitutes as 'forcing to shoot'


1) Brown had gone for Wilson's firearm.
2) Brown had his hand in his waistband according to Wilson's testimony.


Only a fool would blindly believe what a police offer said after he murdered an unarmed civilian.

1) He was right about literally everything else.
2) It's irrelevant since Brown was charging him and had already gone for his firearm so the use of a gun was justified with or without the waistband thing.
3) He didn't murder anyone, it was self-defence. You're just mad because you fell for the media's racebaiting and are ignoring all the evidence that goes against that narrative.


1) nope
2) not irrelevant as police have feet and should exercise all other options before choosing to shoot a lethal weapon at an unarmed civilian
3)its not self defense, keep in mind that the police officer instigated the confrontation by stopping brown solely to harass him, not because he was suspected of any crime.

You are the one that has been fooled by every unsubstantiated statement that the police have made. You should train your brain so that you are not fooled as easily in the future.


What? You're the one whose bought into what the media showed you, lol. Why is everyone acting like him being unarmed is this massive deal? Does no one realize that Brown was huge in comparison to the cop?



The cop is 6'4" 210-15lbs Brown 6'4" 289lbs stats like that put pretty much every female officer in the same 'comparison' problem with tons of citizens.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
November 25 2014 07:09 GMT
#29226
https://pdf.yt/d/cnZpmctVFEqo1SIB

Should be ctrl+fable, and I'm sure parts of the formatting got screwed up in the process (tabs/spaces)
Kingkosi
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1215 Posts
November 25 2014 07:11 GMT
#29227
On November 25 2014 16:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 15:59 killa_robot wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:36 Gamegene wrote:
Personally, I don't really care about whether Wilson escaped justice or whatever but... shit man some of the things that were shown live on camera...

Public perception of Black Americans took a hit tonight.


Not really. As sad as it is, I don't think many people found the riot unexpected.

On November 25 2014 15:39 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:34 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:30 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:29 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:26 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:14 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
Sorry, but forcing a cop to shoot you in self-defense is dumb enough to warrant death.

Sure. If he forced him then yes.

Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you.

In a world where fists are a deadly weapon, sure. The number of instances where cops engage in physical combat with an unarmed citizens are relatively large, the number of those that lead to deadly force being used is not:
The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) says 57,892 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year and 15,483 sustain serious injuries. The most recent FBI "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" (LEOKA) report indicates that 80.2% of the assaults against law enforcement in 2012 were committed by unarmed subjects. The 2012 LEOKA report also reveals that unarmed subject attacks are the leading cause of injury for law enforcement officers.

Presumably serious harm is something more than Wilson suffered -- but if you wish to quibble fine enough -- that still should suggest that there should be 15483 police shootings if your aritculation that an unarmed man charging a police officer constitutes as 'forcing to shoot'


1) Brown had gone for Wilson's firearm.
2) Brown had his hand in his waistband according to Wilson's testimony.


Only a fool would blindly believe what a police offer said after he murdered an unarmed civilian.

1) He was right about literally everything else.
2) It's irrelevant since Brown was charging him and had already gone for his firearm so the use of a gun was justified with or without the waistband thing.
3) He didn't murder anyone, it was self-defence. You're just mad because you fell for the media's racebaiting and are ignoring all the evidence that goes against that narrative.


1) nope
2) not irrelevant as police have feet and should exercise all other options before choosing to shoot a lethal weapon at an unarmed civilian
3)its not self defense, keep in mind that the police officer instigated the confrontation by stopping brown solely to harass him, not because he was suspected of any crime.

You are the one that has been fooled by every unsubstantiated statement that the police have made. You should train your brain so that you are not fooled as easily in the future.


What? You're the one whose bought into what the media showed you, lol. Why is everyone acting like him being unarmed is this massive deal? Does no one realize that Brown was huge in comparison to the cop?



The cop is 6'4" 210-15lbs Brown 6'4" 289lbs stats like that put pretty much every female officer in the same 'comparison' problem with tons of citizens.


He's a grown man who I assume was trained in some form of hand to hand combat in the academy but like the coward he is shoots the unarmed boy numerous times.
Twitter: @KingKosi
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 25 2014 07:11 GMT
#29228
Thanks Mysticesper, I found it manually anyway, it starts on page 17 here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/248126858/Dorian-Johnsons-Testimony-Before-the-Grand-Jury
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24361 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-25 07:15:09
November 25 2014 07:13 GMT
#29229
On November 25 2014 16:11 Kingkosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 16:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:59 killa_robot wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:36 Gamegene wrote:
Personally, I don't really care about whether Wilson escaped justice or whatever but... shit man some of the things that were shown live on camera...

Public perception of Black Americans took a hit tonight.


Not really. As sad as it is, I don't think many people found the riot unexpected.

On November 25 2014 15:39 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:34 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:30 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:29 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:26 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:
[quote]
Sure. If he forced him then yes.

Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you.

In a world where fists are a deadly weapon, sure. The number of instances where cops engage in physical combat with an unarmed citizens are relatively large, the number of those that lead to deadly force being used is not:
The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) says 57,892 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year and 15,483 sustain serious injuries. The most recent FBI "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" (LEOKA) report indicates that 80.2% of the assaults against law enforcement in 2012 were committed by unarmed subjects. The 2012 LEOKA report also reveals that unarmed subject attacks are the leading cause of injury for law enforcement officers.

Presumably serious harm is something more than Wilson suffered -- but if you wish to quibble fine enough -- that still should suggest that there should be 15483 police shootings if your aritculation that an unarmed man charging a police officer constitutes as 'forcing to shoot'


1) Brown had gone for Wilson's firearm.
2) Brown had his hand in his waistband according to Wilson's testimony.


Only a fool would blindly believe what a police offer said after he murdered an unarmed civilian.

1) He was right about literally everything else.
2) It's irrelevant since Brown was charging him and had already gone for his firearm so the use of a gun was justified with or without the waistband thing.
3) He didn't murder anyone, it was self-defence. You're just mad because you fell for the media's racebaiting and are ignoring all the evidence that goes against that narrative.


1) nope
2) not irrelevant as police have feet and should exercise all other options before choosing to shoot a lethal weapon at an unarmed civilian
3)its not self defense, keep in mind that the police officer instigated the confrontation by stopping brown solely to harass him, not because he was suspected of any crime.

You are the one that has been fooled by every unsubstantiated statement that the police have made. You should train your brain so that you are not fooled as easily in the future.


What? You're the one whose bought into what the media showed you, lol. Why is everyone acting like him being unarmed is this massive deal? Does no one realize that Brown was huge in comparison to the cop?



The cop is 6'4" 210-15lbs Brown 6'4" 289lbs stats like that put pretty much every female officer in the same 'comparison' problem with tons of citizens.


He's a grown man who I assume was trained in some form of hand to hand combat in the academy but like the coward he is shoots the unarmed boy numerous times.


Legal or not people should stop getting shot like this. Better training and procedures could of prevented this from ending the way it did.


A body camera would of been a shit ton cheaper than this too. No reason not to buy them. They should be mandatory within a few years. Guaranteed it will be cheaper than just waiting for the next time something like this happens.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
November 25 2014 07:14 GMT
#29230
Being larger than someone is punishable by death now? Let's be real guys, that is not even in the neighborhood of a valid argument
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
Mysticesper
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1183 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-25 07:24:45
November 25 2014 07:20 GMT
#29231
On November 25 2014 16:11 ZenithM wrote:
Thanks Mysticesper, I found it manually anyway, it starts on page 17 here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/248126858/Dorian-Johnsons-Testimony-Before-the-Grand-Jury

I had the wrong one apparently, cause this one is different. oh wells. I'm running this one real fast, then both will be up for people to look at in the future.

https://pdf.yt/d/0J7Lvf1W-cmbCPUX
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14210 Posts
November 25 2014 07:21 GMT
#29232
Being smaller then someone is valid to fear for your life. Ie in the consideration of self defense.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24361 Posts
November 25 2014 07:22 GMT
#29233
Has anyone found the photos of the scene they were showing the Jurors?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 25 2014 07:24 GMT
#29234
On November 25 2014 16:11 Kingkosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 16:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:59 killa_robot wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:36 Gamegene wrote:
Personally, I don't really care about whether Wilson escaped justice or whatever but... shit man some of the things that were shown live on camera...

Public perception of Black Americans took a hit tonight.


Not really. As sad as it is, I don't think many people found the riot unexpected.

On November 25 2014 15:39 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:34 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:30 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:29 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:26 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:
[quote]
Sure. If he forced him then yes.

Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you.

In a world where fists are a deadly weapon, sure. The number of instances where cops engage in physical combat with an unarmed citizens are relatively large, the number of those that lead to deadly force being used is not:
The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) says 57,892 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year and 15,483 sustain serious injuries. The most recent FBI "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" (LEOKA) report indicates that 80.2% of the assaults against law enforcement in 2012 were committed by unarmed subjects. The 2012 LEOKA report also reveals that unarmed subject attacks are the leading cause of injury for law enforcement officers.

Presumably serious harm is something more than Wilson suffered -- but if you wish to quibble fine enough -- that still should suggest that there should be 15483 police shootings if your aritculation that an unarmed man charging a police officer constitutes as 'forcing to shoot'


1) Brown had gone for Wilson's firearm.
2) Brown had his hand in his waistband according to Wilson's testimony.


Only a fool would blindly believe what a police offer said after he murdered an unarmed civilian.

1) He was right about literally everything else.
2) It's irrelevant since Brown was charging him and had already gone for his firearm so the use of a gun was justified with or without the waistband thing.
3) He didn't murder anyone, it was self-defence. You're just mad because you fell for the media's racebaiting and are ignoring all the evidence that goes against that narrative.


1) nope
2) not irrelevant as police have feet and should exercise all other options before choosing to shoot a lethal weapon at an unarmed civilian
3)its not self defense, keep in mind that the police officer instigated the confrontation by stopping brown solely to harass him, not because he was suspected of any crime.

You are the one that has been fooled by every unsubstantiated statement that the police have made. You should train your brain so that you are not fooled as easily in the future.


What? You're the one whose bought into what the media showed you, lol. Why is everyone acting like him being unarmed is this massive deal? Does no one realize that Brown was huge in comparison to the cop?



The cop is 6'4" 210-15lbs Brown 6'4" 289lbs stats like that put pretty much every female officer in the same 'comparison' problem with tons of citizens.


He's a grown man who I assume was trained in some form of hand to hand combat in the academy but like the coward he is shoots the unarmed boy numerous times.

Lol. H2h training for police officer is complete shit. Hell their firearms training is a joke
liftlift > tsm
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 25 2014 07:31 GMT
#29235
On November 25 2014 16:21 Sermokala wrote:
Being smaller then someone is valid to fear for your life. Ie in the consideration of self defense.

Only if Wilson genuinely believed he was in fatal or near fatal circumstances. Which is the crux of the debate. Unarmed men attack cops relatively frequently. Often cops suffer injuries in those attacks. Yet cops very rarely use deadly force in those situations.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 25 2014 07:31 GMT
#29236
On November 25 2014 16:21 Sermokala wrote:
Being smaller then someone is valid to fear for your life. Ie in the consideration of self defense.

Better hire 5'4 cop girls then. Let the self defense rampage begin.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 25 2014 07:34 GMT
#29237
On November 25 2014 16:21 Sermokala wrote:
Being smaller then someone is valid to fear for your life. Ie in the consideration of self defense.

It is if they're charging at you. There's a reason why football linemen are built like tanks.
liftlift > tsm
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
November 25 2014 07:38 GMT
#29238
On November 25 2014 16:14 Yorkie wrote:
Being larger than someone is punishable by death now? Let's be real guys, that is not even in the neighborhood of a valid argument


No one said that? My point was stressing he was "unarmed" is rather meaningless when he was large enough to overpower the cop if he got close enough. All this talk about "hand to hand" combat is laughable. You have people like this guy:

On November 25 2014 16:11 Kingkosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 16:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:59 killa_robot wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:36 Gamegene wrote:
Personally, I don't really care about whether Wilson escaped justice or whatever but... shit man some of the things that were shown live on camera...

Public perception of Black Americans took a hit tonight.


Not really. As sad as it is, I don't think many people found the riot unexpected.

On November 25 2014 15:39 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:34 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:30 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:29 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:26 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:17 Sub40APM wrote:
[quote]
Sure. If he forced him then yes.

Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you.

In a world where fists are a deadly weapon, sure. The number of instances where cops engage in physical combat with an unarmed citizens are relatively large, the number of those that lead to deadly force being used is not:
The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) says 57,892 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year and 15,483 sustain serious injuries. The most recent FBI "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" (LEOKA) report indicates that 80.2% of the assaults against law enforcement in 2012 were committed by unarmed subjects. The 2012 LEOKA report also reveals that unarmed subject attacks are the leading cause of injury for law enforcement officers.

Presumably serious harm is something more than Wilson suffered -- but if you wish to quibble fine enough -- that still should suggest that there should be 15483 police shootings if your aritculation that an unarmed man charging a police officer constitutes as 'forcing to shoot'


1) Brown had gone for Wilson's firearm.
2) Brown had his hand in his waistband according to Wilson's testimony.


Only a fool would blindly believe what a police offer said after he murdered an unarmed civilian.

1) He was right about literally everything else.
2) It's irrelevant since Brown was charging him and had already gone for his firearm so the use of a gun was justified with or without the waistband thing.
3) He didn't murder anyone, it was self-defence. You're just mad because you fell for the media's racebaiting and are ignoring all the evidence that goes against that narrative.


1) nope
2) not irrelevant as police have feet and should exercise all other options before choosing to shoot a lethal weapon at an unarmed civilian
3)its not self defense, keep in mind that the police officer instigated the confrontation by stopping brown solely to harass him, not because he was suspected of any crime.

You are the one that has been fooled by every unsubstantiated statement that the police have made. You should train your brain so that you are not fooled as easily in the future.


What? You're the one whose bought into what the media showed you, lol. Why is everyone acting like him being unarmed is this massive deal? Does no one realize that Brown was huge in comparison to the cop?



The cop is 6'4" 210-15lbs Brown 6'4" 289lbs stats like that put pretty much every female officer in the same 'comparison' problem with tons of citizens.


He's a grown man who I assume was trained in some form of hand to hand combat in the academy but like the coward he is shoots the unarmed boy numerous times.


Who blows things way out of proportion and makes it seem like it was in the cops power to solve this in hand to hand combat (because apparently all cops are martial artists, lol). Also "boy", really? Have you even seen pictures of Brown that aren't years old? The guy was almost 300 pounds.

We shouldn't trust everything the police say, but the amount of blind trust some of you guys have in the media is just insane.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 25 2014 07:41 GMT
#29239
On November 25 2014 16:38 killa_robot wrote:
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On November 25 2014 16:14 Yorkie wrote:
Being larger than someone is punishable by death now? Let's be real guys, that is not even in the neighborhood of a valid argument


No one said that? My point was stressing he was "unarmed" is rather meaningless when he was large enough to overpower the cop if he got close enough. All this talk about "hand to hand" combat is laughable. You have people like this guy:

You mention that like its an established fact.
Kingkosi
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States1215 Posts
November 25 2014 07:45 GMT
#29240
On November 25 2014 16:38 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 16:14 Yorkie wrote:
Being larger than someone is punishable by death now? Let's be real guys, that is not even in the neighborhood of a valid argument


No one said that? My point was stressing he was "unarmed" is rather meaningless when he was large enough to overpower the cop if he got close enough. All this talk about "hand to hand" combat is laughable. You have people like this guy:

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On November 25 2014 16:11 Kingkosi wrote:
On November 25 2014 16:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:59 killa_robot wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:36 Gamegene wrote:
Personally, I don't really care about whether Wilson escaped justice or whatever but... shit man some of the things that were shown live on camera...

Public perception of Black Americans took a hit tonight.


Not really. As sad as it is, I don't think many people found the riot unexpected.

On November 25 2014 15:39 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:34 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:30 Vegetarian wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:29 RockIronrod wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:26 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 25 2014 15:19 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
Charging a cop is pretty much going to force the cop to shoot you.

In a world where fists are a deadly weapon, sure. The number of instances where cops engage in physical combat with an unarmed citizens are relatively large, the number of those that lead to deadly force being used is not:
The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) says 57,892 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year and 15,483 sustain serious injuries. The most recent FBI "Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted" (LEOKA) report indicates that 80.2% of the assaults against law enforcement in 2012 were committed by unarmed subjects. The 2012 LEOKA report also reveals that unarmed subject attacks are the leading cause of injury for law enforcement officers.

Presumably serious harm is something more than Wilson suffered -- but if you wish to quibble fine enough -- that still should suggest that there should be 15483 police shootings if your aritculation that an unarmed man charging a police officer constitutes as 'forcing to shoot'


1) Brown had gone for Wilson's firearm.
2) Brown had his hand in his waistband according to Wilson's testimony.


Only a fool would blindly believe what a police offer said after he murdered an unarmed civilian.

1) He was right about literally everything else.
2) It's irrelevant since Brown was charging him and had already gone for his firearm so the use of a gun was justified with or without the waistband thing.
3) He didn't murder anyone, it was self-defence. You're just mad because you fell for the media's racebaiting and are ignoring all the evidence that goes against that narrative.


1) nope
2) not irrelevant as police have feet and should exercise all other options before choosing to shoot a lethal weapon at an unarmed civilian
3)its not self defense, keep in mind that the police officer instigated the confrontation by stopping brown solely to harass him, not because he was suspected of any crime.

You are the one that has been fooled by every unsubstantiated statement that the police have made. You should train your brain so that you are not fooled as easily in the future.


What? You're the one whose bought into what the media showed you, lol. Why is everyone acting like him being unarmed is this massive deal? Does no one realize that Brown was huge in comparison to the cop?



The cop is 6'4" 210-15lbs Brown 6'4" 289lbs stats like that put pretty much every female officer in the same 'comparison' problem with tons of citizens.


He's a grown man who I assume was trained in some form of hand to hand combat in the academy but like the coward he is shoots the unarmed boy numerous times.


Who blows things way out of proportion and makes it seem like it was in the cops power to solve this in hand to hand combat (because apparently all cops are martial artists, lol). Also "boy", really? Have you even seen pictures of Brown that aren't years old? The guy was almost 300 pounds.

We shouldn't trust everything the police say, but the amount of blind trust some of you guys have in the media is just insane.


All cops don't have to be black belts smart ass but they go through some type of defense training for these situations I would imagine. If he can't subdue the teenage BOY who was roughly the same size as him with the training that he received without using a fire arm then he is either really shit at his job or a coward. I am guessing both.
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