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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On August 19 2014 03:45 Roswell wrote: All documentaries are fake biased nonsense, this is nothing new to me, can you not take a joke greenman? With conflicting testimonies, its going to be really hard to get this officer any jail time. @ igne, he had pot in his system You seem to be armed with the stupid. | ||
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Roswell
United States250 Posts
The autopsy seems to go hand and hand with this eye witness, "And then all the sudden he just started bum-rushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming" http://www.brennerbrief.com/witness-michael-brown-bum-rushed-cop/#dT8oEdux2XjZiHsd.99 @5th guy who cant take a joke, no sir, it is you who is armed with stupid. Go join the michigan militia you dim wit. | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On August 19 2014 04:08 Roswell wrote: I was not joking, marijuana kills people and is more addicting than meth. The autopsy seems to go hand and hand with this eye witness, "And then all the sudden he just started bum-rushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming" http://www.brennerbrief.com/witness-michael-brown-bum-rushed-cop/#dT8oEdux2XjZiHsd.99 @5th guy who cant take a joke, no sir, it is you who is armed with stupid. Go join the michigan militia you dim wit. That is the strangest insult I have ever been on the receiving end of. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On August 19 2014 04:08 Roswell wrote: I was not joking, marijuana kills people and is more addicting than meth. The autopsy seems to go hand and hand with this eye witness, "And then all the sudden he just started bum-rushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming" http://www.brennerbrief.com/witness-michael-brown-bum-rushed-cop/#dT8oEdux2XjZiHsd.99 @5th guy who cant take a joke, no sir, it is you who is armed with stupid. Go join the michigan militia you dim wit. Brenner Brief is a news site by the people, for the people. We bring capitalism to citizen journalism by paying our writers, and we also have semi-professional and professional journalists on staff. Our team covers the stories the mainstream media refuses to cover, and highlights popular stories from fresh angles Read more at http://www.brennerbrief.com/newsletter/#ZUJoLmbbolyVp6bs.99 You're so edgy bro. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23665 Posts
On August 19 2014 04:08 Roswell wrote: I was not joking, marijuana kills people and is more addicting than meth. The autopsy seems to go hand and hand with this eye witness, "And then all the sudden he just started bum-rushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming" http://www.brennerbrief.com/witness-michael-brown-bum-rushed-cop/#dT8oEdux2XjZiHsd.99 @5th guy who cant take a joke, no sir, it is you who is armed with stupid. Go join the michigan militia you dim wit. Really with the 'marijuana kills people'? If he only ran ~35 ft how could he have 'Charged him and just kept coming' and still been about the same distance away? No matter how the facts of this particular incident shake out, the Ferguson PD and many in the area have bigger more institutionalized problems to deal with. | ||
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Roswell
United States250 Posts
Oh hey its a website I randomly clicked on at the top. Your so edgy for actually becoming a worm and looking for dirt. Edit: @greenman, marijuana is the most dangerous drug ever /s <---- that means sarcasm, ill use that from now on | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23665 Posts
On August 19 2014 04:36 Crushinator wrote: This is all very confusing. Very... No idea what he's trying to get at. | ||
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Roswell
United States250 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
The largest proposed onshore wind project in the United States does not need a recently expired federal tax credit to be commercially viable, the head of the company planning to build 1,000 turbines in Carbon County said this week. Bill Miller, Power Company of Wyoming CEO, said the 3,000-megawatt Chokecherry and Sierra Madre wind farm would benefit from the 2.3-cent kilowatt-hour tax credit, which Congress allowed to expire Jan. 1. Electricity generated by the nearly $5 billion facility would be cheaper for utilities and consumers alike if Congress were to renew the credit, Miller said. Still, he said, the wind farm will proceed regardless of what lawmakers decide. "Because of the size and the quality of the resource we have for the project, this project can be done without the production tax credit," Miller said in an interview Tuesday. "Quite frankly, though, it would be very beneficial to the project and the market if it were available, but it is not necessary for it to be viable. There are probably not a lot of projects today that could say it doesn’t matter. It does matter, but it is not absolutely required." Miller's statement comes amid ongoing debate in Washington over whether to renew the production tax credit. Industry advocates say predictable, pro-growth tax policy is needed to ensure wind's continued expansion. Opponents argue that wind power is now a mature technology and no longer needs government help. Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat who chairs the Senate Finance Committee, has made renewal of the credit a priority. But those efforts have met opposition, particularly from House Republicans. Source | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On August 19 2014 04:48 Roswell wrote: Yeah its hard to think for yourself. I bet you worship that big gold arrow on the floor telling you exactly where to go in a first person shooter. You need comedy central to reinforce your pathetically small political viewpoint. Since day 1 the facts have been pointing away from this poor innocent young man being just that. But it wont matter, in two years you'll joke to your friends about this incident and read what you want to read. Good riddance to me im out, I said that so you wouldnt have to. Is your name by any chance Eric Dondero? | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On August 19 2014 04:29 GreenHorizons wrote: Really with the 'marijuana kills people'? If he only ran ~35 ft how could he have 'Charged him and just kept coming' and still been about the same distance away? No matter how the facts of this particular incident shake out, the Ferguson PD and many in the area have bigger more institutionalized problems to deal with. The cop would have been backing up. | ||
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Mercy13
United States718 Posts
Imo, there are at least 3 separate topics that deserve discussion: 1) Whether or not this specific shooting was justified (No one knows, we should wait for the investigation to draw conclusions). 2) Institutional racism in police departments in Ferguson and elsewhere in the country, and the civil unrest that this sparks. (There is a lot of evidence for this, and widespread protesting doesn't break out for no reason. Also I find it troublesome that the Ferguson PD is so hostile to the press). 3) The militarization of local police departments (which is indefensibly stupid and dangerous. Encouraging police forces to act like occupying military units is a recipe for disaster.) People have been responding to arguments about 2) by pointing to 1), which confuses everyone because the issues are independent. The protesting isn't happening just because Brown was shot, it's happening because the Ferguson community feels that the police are there to persecute them rather than to protect them. Even if Brown hadn't been shot they would still feel this way, and some other event would have likely lead to similar protests. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23665 Posts
What? He ran ~35 ft away from the car and died ~35ft away from the car. The cop pursued (an unknown distance), what would the cop 'backing up' have to do with him dying as far as he ran away and how that doesn't fit the idea of him charging the cop, then continuing after he was shot several times? | ||
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Crushinator
Netherlands2138 Posts
On August 19 2014 05:25 GreenHorizons wrote: What? He ran ~35 ft away from the car and died ~35ft away from the car. The cop pursued (an unknown distance), what would the cop 'backing up' have to do with him dying as far as he ran away and how that doesn't fit the idea of him charging the cop, then continuing after he was shot several times? How do you know he ran only 35 ft away initially? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Despite the economic recovery, more than 46 million Americans — or 1 in 7 — used a food pantry last year. And a surprisingly high number of those seeking help were households with military members, according to a new survey by Feeding America, which is a network of U.S. food banks. The survey — conducted in 2013 — found that almost 620,000 of the households using Feeding America services have at least one member currently in the military. That's one-quarter of all U.S. military households. Deborah Flateman, president and CEO of the Maryland Food Bank in Baltimore, says she isn't surprised. Last year, her food bank started working with groups like the USO to provide food aid to families affiliated with nearby military bases like Fort Meade. She says, so far, they've used their mobile food pantry to distribute more than 200,000 pounds of food to military families. "They're not unlike any of the other families that we serve," says Flateman. "They meet hardship and they need assistance with food." And other food banks and pantries say they're seeing a similar increase. Margaret Young is with the Calvary Assembly of God Church in Dover, Del., about a mile from Dover Air Force Base. She says she noticed about four years ago that more military families were showing up at the church food pantry for help. She says they're usually young, junior-level service members with kids. "And then of course they have younger spouses," says Young. "And the spouses, you know, when you have to relocate every couple of months or every couple of years, however that works, it makes it harder for them to find jobs. I think that's the primary reason." Source | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On August 19 2014 05:21 Mercy13 wrote: I think a lot of the confusion around the Ferguson shooting is that people keep conflating the separate issues so it's not clear who's discussing what. Well, that and because Roswell is a moron. Imo, there are at least 3 separate topics that deserve discussion: 1) Whether or not this specific shooting was justified (No one knows, we should wait for the investigation to draw conclusions). 2) Institutional racism in police departments in Ferguson and elsewhere in the country, and the civil unrest that this sparks. (There is a lot of evidence for this, and widespread protesting doesn't break out for no reason. Also I find it troublesome that the Ferguson PD is so hostile to the press). 3) The militarization of local police departments (which is indefensibly stupid and dangerous. Encouraging police forces to act like occupying military units is a recipe for disaster.) People have been responding to arguments about 2) by pointing to 1), which confuses everyone because the issues are independent. The protesting isn't happening just because Brown was shot, it's happening because the Ferguson community feels that the police are there to persecute them rather than to protect them. Even if Brown hadn't been shot they would still feel this way, and some other event would have likely lead to similar protests. There's an umbrella issue that all of these smaller issues come under. The use of lethal force by the police and their lack of accountability for it. 1.) Whether or not this specific shooting could be justified, it was another of seemingly countless instances where American Police Officers are gunning down unarmed civilians under very ambiguous circumstances. You combine this killing with the chokehold incident in New York or the constant wave of stories coming from the LAPD and it starts to look like a very frightening pattern. 2.) Which really sucks for minorities because as the total number of instances of police brutality rise, the ever constant disproportional rate at which they happen to minorities becomes even more depressing. You simply cannot talk about police misconduct without also having to incorporate the racism argument. It just makes everything worse. 3.) The militarization of the police is the big political issue to take away from all of this. Why exactly are the police being given so much extra equipment to fund swat teams when it doesn't look like either A: they need any of it or B: ready to accept the increased responsibility? Why are we giving our Police Departments more weapons without giving them more accountability for what they do with them? It's a fundamental disconnect that's really resonating when you look at it in the context of 1) and 2) and this is why Ferguson is such a huge deal, it has all of the elements working together. You have a primarily black community (70%ish), a primarily white police force (only like 3 officers in the entire department are Black) and image after image of military hardware and military style strategies being used against American civilians protesting the Police killing of an unarmed man under very ambiguous circumstances. It's a perfect storm. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On August 19 2014 06:12 Vindicare605 wrote: There's an umbrella issue that all of these smaller issues come under. The use of lethal force by the police and their lack of accountability for it. 1.) Whether or not this specific shooting could be justified, it was another of seemingly countless instances where American Police Officers are gunning down unarmed civilians under very ambiguous circumstances. You combine this killing with the chokehold incident in New York or the constant wave of stories coming from the LAPD and it starts to look like a very frightening pattern. The police are using lethal force a lot more than they used to, there's actual statistical data that backs this up too and one of the reasons for this increase is the militarization of the police. + Show Spoiler + 2.) Which really sucks for minorities because as the total number of instances of police brutality rise, the ever constant disproportional rate at which they happen to minorities becomes even more depressing. You simply cannot talk about police misconduct without also having to incorporate the racism argument. It just makes everything worse. 3.) The militarization of the police is the big political issue to take away from all of this. Why exactly are the police being given so much extra equipment to fund swat teams when it doesn't look like either A: they need any of it or B: ready to accept the increased responsibility? Why are we giving our Police Departments more weapons without giving them more accountability for what they do with them? It's a fundamental disconnect that's really resonating when you look at it in the context of 1) and 2) and this is why Ferguson is such a huge deal, it has all of the elements working together. You have a primarily black community (70%ish), a primarily white police force (only like 3 officers in the entire department are Black) and image after image of military hardware and military style strategies being used against American civilians protesting the Police killing of an unarmed man under very ambiguous circumstances. It's a perfect storm. Do you have a stat on that to share? I had thought that police were using lethal force less often than in the past. Ex. NYC: ![[image loading]](http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/02/04/nyregion/police.jpg) | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On August 19 2014 06:24 JonnyBNoHo wrote: Do you have a stat on that to share? I had thought that police were using lethal force less often than in the past. Ex. NYC: Let me see if I can find the actual map. I know NYC is an outlier since the 80's and 90's crack epidemic led to an insane period of time for the police department there. Also I'm just now noticing this graph is already 10 years old, as you can see the number of shootings increases from 2002 to 2003 and although it's much lower than its apex in the 90's. Which is really the interesting phenomenon I didn't mention. Crime rate especially violent crime rate in the US has been falling for years.+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Violent_crime_rates_by_gender_1973-2003.jpg) So why are we seeing SWAT being deployed for drug raids so often? We don't actually know how often SWAT is being deployed because there's only as of this year one state in the country that is required to track how often they deploy them. | ||
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