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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 02 2018 19:49 GMT
#200061
They already give away 150 million a year in charity. It’s about 64K a year for MIT. For just a little more than 10 million a year, they could send like 160 people to MIT. Pocket change for our digital overlords.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
March 02 2018 20:02 GMT
#200062
I'm reading through Sixth Circuit decisions given that it's a slow work day and thought I'd share this gem.

Johnson filed a pretrial motion to strike his nickname "Unkle Murda" from the indictment and to exclude reference to it at trial, arguing that it would unduly prejudice the jury in violation of Federal Rule of Evidence 403.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
March 02 2018 20:05 GMT
#200063
On March 03 2018 05:02 farvacola wrote:
I'm reading through Sixth Circuit decisions given that it's a slow work day and thought I'd share this gem.

Show nested quote +
Johnson filed a pretrial motion to strike his nickname "Unkle Murda" from the indictment and to exclude reference to it at trial, arguing that it would unduly prejudice the jury in violation of Federal Rule of Evidence 403.


What is this for?
Something witty
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
March 02 2018 20:07 GMT
#200064
I'm sure we're all shocked.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43255285

Russian propagandists targeted the popular news-sharing website Reddit to influence American political debate, a US website has claimed.

It had been widely presumed that Reddit, a hub for campaigning, activism and often extreme views, would be a logical target for any manipulation.

It has yet to publish its own investigation into Russian activity.

Now news site the Daily Beast says it has obtained files showing a Russian troll farm was active on Reddit.

The Daily Beast says it has obtained leaked documents from within Russia's Internet Research Agency (IRA), the country's most prominent troll-factory.

The US government has already charged 13 Russians, linked to the agency, with attempting to manipulate American voters using social media.

The Russian organisation is alleged to have had a budget of more than a million dollars, which the US claims was used to buy advertising on sites such as Twitter and Facebook.

So far, Reddit has not been included in the US Senate's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

But some reports have suggested that could soon change.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-02 20:08:09
March 02 2018 20:07 GMT
#200065
On March 03 2018 05:05 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2018 05:02 farvacola wrote:
I'm reading through Sixth Circuit decisions given that it's a slow work day and thought I'd share this gem.

Johnson filed a pretrial motion to strike his nickname "Unkle Murda" from the indictment and to exclude reference to it at trial, arguing that it would unduly prejudice the jury in violation of Federal Rule of Evidence 403.


What is this for?

Just a denied appeal of a district court conviction regarding a bunch of Detroit gang members.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-02 20:20:11
March 02 2018 20:19 GMT
#200066
On March 03 2018 05:07 crms wrote:
I'm sure we're all shocked.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43255285

Show nested quote +
Russian propagandists targeted the popular news-sharing website Reddit to influence American political debate, a US website has claimed.

It had been widely presumed that Reddit, a hub for campaigning, activism and often extreme views, would be a logical target for any manipulation.

It has yet to publish its own investigation into Russian activity.

Now news site the Daily Beast says it has obtained files showing a Russian troll farm was active on Reddit.

The Daily Beast says it has obtained leaked documents from within Russia's Internet Research Agency (IRA), the country's most prominent troll-factory.

The US government has already charged 13 Russians, linked to the agency, with attempting to manipulate American voters using social media.

The Russian organisation is alleged to have had a budget of more than a million dollars, which the US claims was used to buy advertising on sites such as Twitter and Facebook.

So far, Reddit has not been included in the US Senate's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election.

But some reports have suggested that could soon change.

The best part is that Reddit hasn’t even bothered to investigate how its service has been used by outside forces to manipulate people. But this is the same company that took a forever to ban subs that focused on finding photos of fat people, mocking them and sometimes their social media accounts in the sub. You know, to provide them with life advice on how to lose weight. And of course, Coontown. Reddit is still the “free-speech” tech-bro capital of the internet. The concept of having some type of civic duty to not let their service be used to mess with our elections is beyond their limited understanding of civics.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 02 2018 20:29 GMT
#200067
On March 03 2018 04:42 Lazare1969 wrote:
I think it'd just be easier to do Bernie's tuition-free college plan than to beg for some corporations to use some of their surplus to fund a few scholarships.

Beg some colleges to reduce the price of their tuition.
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Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 02 2018 20:31 GMT
#200068
Reddit might well be the capital of astroturfing on the internet right now. Would be no surprise.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 02 2018 20:31 GMT
#200069
On March 03 2018 05:29 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2018 04:42 Lazare1969 wrote:
I think it'd just be easier to do Bernie's tuition-free college plan than to beg for some corporations to use some of their surplus to fund a few scholarships.

Beg some colleges to reduce the price of their tuition.
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No, MIT must college the full price of a shitty single family home in rural MA from each student. It is the only way they can function.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 02 2018 20:47 GMT
#200070
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
March 02 2018 21:03 GMT
#200071
Do it Donald! Don't let those globalist tell you you're wrong... you're a billionaire! Obviously you know more about economics than them.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 02 2018 21:41 GMT
#200072
I imagine turtle man is making the blinking white dude face right now after that Trump tweet. Republicans being the party of trade war is just beyond hilarious to me. You guys!
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5082 Posts
March 02 2018 21:58 GMT
#200073
It isn't even "Republicans," who so far have done nothing but attack this idea. It's Trump by himself. Congress needs to get in on this.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 02 2018 22:02 GMT
#200074
On March 03 2018 06:58 Introvert wrote:
It isn't even "Republicans," who so far have done nothing but attack this idea. It's Trump by himself. Congress needs to get in on this.


If congress/senate don't fight Trump on this, in your eyes, are they willing participants? A lot of republicans seem to like saying "this is just Trump, not republicans", but his support among republicans is high and congress/senate don't fight it. Not fighting it is the same as allowing and supporting it. Don't you agree?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-02 22:05:09
March 02 2018 22:03 GMT
#200075
This is exactly what the Republican voters want. Recent polling by NPR shows they strongly support this idea and this is what they voted for. The Republicans have courted these folks for years and now they are finally able to get the protectionism they have wanted.

Oh yeah, last time we went full protectionism like this was the Great Depression.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 02 2018 22:10 GMT
#200076
Pretty sure this was a major campaign pledge of Trump's.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
March 02 2018 22:15 GMT
#200077
Kinda surprised that he can unilaterally get tariffs like this without congressional approval
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 02 2018 22:16 GMT
#200078
On March 03 2018 07:15 KOFgokuon wrote:
Kinda surprised that he can unilaterally get tariffs like this without congressional approval


Doesn't mean congress can't interfere and override. Congress, when it wants to, can be truly disruptive. Remember Obama? How about just doing that again?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-02 22:26:49
March 02 2018 22:17 GMT
#200079
I distinctly remember pointing out that he could do this without congressional approval and it would very bad. Some folks did not think it would be a big deal and others said that the EU, China and Mexico needed a good trashing to they would know their place. That the world needed the US way more than the US needed them.

On March 03 2018 07:15 KOFgokuon wrote:
Kinda surprised that he can unilaterally get tariffs like this without congressional approval

Not since the Great Depression. Congress gave the power to the executive branch prevent congress members for pushing for tariffs to benefit their states. They are not supposed to elect someone so stupid that they see a trade deficit as a loss on a balance sheet. Woops.

Edit: Also, our government is not prepare to collect the tariffs Trump is about to impose. Like at all. Tariffs are just a tax and there needs to be planning around collecting those taxes. And the EU buyers who’s blue jeans, oranges and whiskey is about to jump in price are not ready buy products that are going to have a fat import tax on them. There could be shipments on container ships that could suddenly be filled with bunches of worthless cargo because no one wants to buy it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 02 2018 22:51 GMT
#200080
WASHINGTON—President Donald Trump plans to apply his steel and aluminum tariffs globally and won’t exempt allies such as Canada and Europe, a senior White House official said Friday, an approach that is likely to intensify protests over the move.

The statement that there would be no exceptions to the duties came as Trump aides started to flesh out the president’s broad-but-vague Thursday announcement, in which he said the U.S. plans to impose tariffs of 25% on steel and 10% on aluminum. Officials are scrambling to finalize many details ahead of a planned rollout of the full policies next week.

“The president made clear these would be across-the-board tariffs with no exclusions,” the White House official told reporters. “One problem with exclusions is that it’s a slippery slope. Where do you stop?” the official added.

But the official said he couldn’t answer other crucial details of the still-emerging policy, such as whether the duties would apply to all steel products, or would exempt semi-finished products, as has been the case when broad steel-import limits have been imposed in the past.

By announcing a general policy goal without providing details, Mr. Trump has sowed confusion among supporters and opponents of the policies alike, and touched off an intense internal and external lobbying campaign to define the precise shape of the tariffs before the full proposals are completed.

“I think as much drama as there has been leading up to the official announcement of these tariffs, there will be an equal amount of drama on the other side, as they’re implemented and exceptions are considered,” said Scott Paul, president of the Alliance for Manufacturing, a steel-industry group that supported the tariffs.

“One thing I fear is that this becomes the type of process you have all too often in the Washington swamp, of lobbyists coming in” looking for carve-outs, he said.

Indeed, several people familiar with the process suggested that, despite the declarative statements from Mr. Trump and the official conducting the briefing, the contours of the package, including the possibility of exempting certain countries, could still change.

Some officials were less definitive in their public statements about what had already been decided. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross attended a private White House meeting on Thursday that Mr. Trump held with steel and aluminum executives, where he discussed options under consideration. Asked on CNBC Friday whether the tariffs would cover every country, including allies, Mr. Ross replied: “Well, that’s what the president seemed to announce yesterday.”

Mr. Trump and some aides embraced the controversy the tariff proposal had stirred up. “When a country (USA) is losing many billions of dollars on trade… trade wars are good, and easy to win,” the president tweeted early Friday morning.

“I don’t believe any country in the world is going to retaliate for the simple reason we are the most lucrative and biggest market in the world,” Peter Navarro, a White House trade adviser who pushed hard for the policy, told Fox News Friday. ”They know they’re cheating us. All we’re doing is standing up for ourselves.”

Governments around the world blasted Mr. Trump’s plans, and issued threats of retaliation.

Promising to “defend European jobs,” European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said that “we must…show that we also take measures.” Mr. Juncker added: ”I don’t like to use the word trade war, but I can’t say how this wouldn’t be war-like behavior."

Europe has already put together a specific package of penalties that would hit a total of $3.5 billion in U.S. exports, a European Commission official said, including Harley Davidson motorcycles, Bourbon and blue jeans.

Roberto Azevêdo, director-general of the World Trade Organization, issued a rare rebuke to a member country, branding the Trump tariffs a cause for concern, and saying “the potential for escalation is real, as we have seen from the initial responses of others.” He added: “A trade war is in no one’s interest."


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