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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On March 03 2018 07:58 IgnE wrote: This is the Trump that America signed up for. The experiment must be conducted. Can we please terminate this experiment yet? I didn't sign up for this and it violates both the Justice snd beneficence requirements of human subjects testing. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 03 2018 08:02 hunts wrote: Can we please terminate this experiment yet? I didn't sign up for this and it violates both the Justice snd beneficence requirements of human subjects testing. Nope. We need to touch the stove and burned. The last time we came really close, but got saved by good governance and responsible leadership. But not one paid the price and was blamed. So the tea party conservatives turns around and blamed good governance to win an election and get power, claiming the bail out was bad. This time there is no one to be responsible, so we get burned. Stock up on avocados. Freeze them, because they might be in short supply if Trump has his way. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9256 Posts
During an interview on CNBC, Ross said the additional import tax of 25% on steel and 10% on aluminum would be "no big deal" for consumers. He also attempted to assuage economists' and analysts' concerns that the new tariffs will push up the prices of goods that use the metals, such as cars and beer cans. To illustrate his argument, Ross held up cans of Coca-Cola, Budweiser, and Campbell's soup. "If that goes up by 25%, that's about six-tenths of one cent," Ross said, brandishing the soup can. "Who in the world is going to be too bothered by six-tenths of a cent?" Ross also downplayed the potential effects on car prices, noting that production of a car requires about a ton of steel, which currently costs about $700. So a 25% tariff, he said, would add only $175 to the price of a new car. http://uk.businessinsider.com/wilbur-ross-coke-campbells-soup-cans-trump-tariffs-steel-aluminum-2018-3 | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
The guys getting fucked is me and other people in manufacturing. My place is already prepping for a complete transition away from steel and aluminum related products. luckily theres a ton of plastic around now thats basically worth negative value. Dems are going to use every retaliatory tariff in the midterms in the battleground states. It might make ted cruz's seat in jeopardy if Euros look at an electoral map and target industries in the available seats. Congress is going to be a bloodbath. | ||
KwarK
United States44430 Posts
On March 03 2018 07:58 IgnE wrote: This is the Trump that America signed up for. The experiment must be conducted. Pretty sure the plurality of Americans voted for Hillary. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24495 Posts
On March 03 2018 05:02 farvacola wrote: I'm reading through Sixth Circuit decisions given that it's a slow work day and thought I'd share this gem. This is why y'all shouldn't listen to rap music lol. His year end wrap ups are the shit (that doesn't mean they are fecal matter) On March 03 2018 09:22 KwarK wrote: Pretty sure the plurality of Americans voted for Hillary. ~70% of the voting age population didn't vote for her. | ||
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m4ini
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Well, guess all good then. Riddle me this, briefly. Car manufacturers in the US already use predominately US steel. US steel will lose competition. What do you think will happen to the price of US steel, realistically. Once you answer that, we go into more detail as to why Ross is blatantly bullshitting, starting from Miller beer already announcing that this threatens 20.000 jobs because it hikes the price for breweries by 350 million. Then we go to the fact that he's blatantly bullshitting about the steel price for cars (they're not made of T-Bars, but AHSS steel and machinable carbon steel amongst others), to the math for people like boeing, northrop and all the other huge aluminium-consumers. 10% on top of a new plane is quite the money, and don't for a second think that this won't be passed down all the way down to the consumer. And that's all assuming that the US metal prices stay where they are, which is a pretty idiotic assumption to make in the first place, in the biggest capitalist country in the world. edit: i somehow wonder if people think that stuff goes from a steel mill to a ford manufacturing plant and then they just weld and solder some stuff and tadaa, another truck. The steel goes through many hands beforehand, all of which pay 25% more for it - and of course add their own profit margin based on that. I mean, i didn't expect more than "well a can is 15g of aluminium, so price increases by 1 pennie lolz" from the trump administration, but i was assuming that people here at least are smarter. Sermokala got the idea right. The cost for a car just through the steel price will rise more likely around $500-$1000 just as it goes through the value chain. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On March 03 2018 09:22 KwarK wrote: Pretty sure the plurality of Americans voted for Hillary. Is the American electoral process legitimate or not? | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On March 03 2018 09:56 IgnE wrote: Is the American electoral process legitimate or not? Not when the system is gerrymandered to the point where rural areas with less population represent larger areas than cities. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On March 03 2018 10:18 ShoCkeyy wrote: Not when the system is gerrymandered to the point where rural areas with less population represent larger areas than cities. The system was made to be this way from the start. Saying its Illegitimate now after hundreds of years is pretty silly. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On March 03 2018 09:56 IgnE wrote: Is the American electoral process legitimate or not? Not really. It is specifically designed to pat Cletus on the head and tell him his views are as important as 10 college educated people living in cities. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On March 03 2018 10:35 Sermokala wrote: The system was made to be this way from the start. Saying its Illegitimate now after hundreds of years is pretty silly. You should probably look up where the name "Gerrymander" comes from. Or when it comes from, really. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On March 03 2018 10:37 WolfintheSheep wrote: You should probably look up where the name "Gerrymander" comes from. Or when it comes from, really. You should probably look up where the name "Electoral College" or "Parliament" comes from. Or when it comes from, really. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 03 2018 10:36 Mohdoo wrote: Not really. It is specifically designed to pat Cletus on the head and tell him his views are as important as 10 college educated people living in cities. It was designed to provide Cletus with rights and a say so he would trust the system. Rather than assume it just exists to serve you and use force to take your stuff, cause fuck your college educated system. Governments exist to create stability and transfer power peacefully. Our government isn’t built to keep that power with those who are wealthy enough to obtain a college education. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On March 03 2018 10:46 Sermokala wrote: You should probably look up where the name "Electoral College" comes from. Or when it comes from, really. Are you a time traveller? Because "now" is an odd time-frame to be using for a criticism that has existed for almost as long as your electoral college. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On March 03 2018 10:51 WolfintheSheep wrote: Are you a time traveller? Because "now" is an odd time-frame to be using for a criticism that has existed for almost as long as your electoral college. I have no idea what you're trying to say or what your point is in this post. the least I can understand is that you're arguing for me to me. I saw the wood blocks in washington if thats part of your argument. | ||
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