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On July 13 2012 07:12 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 07:03 DongLongJohnson wrote:On July 12 2012 22:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Fuck that sucks, I feel like it cost nestea the whole series. Thanks for updating us Wax. NesTea got RAPED! Game1 didn't matter at all, ByuN was just the much better player. Admittedly, NesTea was seriously outplayed in games 2 or 3. For all we know, though, he would have won games 4 and 5, and by losing game 1 he lost the series. In all likelihood he would have lost the series anyways, but we can't say for certain-- and that's the saddest fact of them all.
We can say for certain, it's a legitimate strategy(at least not any less legitimate than sentry drops in the main) that has long since been figured out and should've been easily thwarted given that Nestea scouted it, let alone the fact that this is the map version that has been used for the recent GSL/GSTL games.
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Blazinghand
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On July 13 2012 07:15 Angel_ wrote:
Frankly, I'm still lost where we decided as a community that bunker blocking was any worse than any other blind cheese. I don't remember agreeing to this, and I don't remember agreeing to be all morally offended when it happened.
I don't think whether or not bunker cheese is morally just or not is what we're arguing about. I think the thing is that the bunker cheese was stronger than usual, due to an oversight by GOM, and whose "fault" it was, whether the call on the ground was right, etc.
I personally believe it's GOM's fault, and Byun's decision, although a bit underhanded, is what he is paid to do: win games within the rules of the tournament. I think NesTea could have held it off, but I also think he was probably gonna lose the series anyways, though we can't know for sure. I hope GOM uses tighter quality control on their maps in the future, having learned from this (thankfully) minor incident.
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Just curious. How does bunker contain work in broodwar?
If it doesn't work quite like SC2,
is it because 2 bunkers can't block a ramp? or because non hatch first build is common? I forgot how it is like.
There is no queen for defense, and barracks doesn't require depot, so it sounds even better in broodwar on paper.
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On July 12 2012 23:25 MaNaVoId wrote:
Lost all respect for byun for not reporting the bug to GOM even though he noticed it beforehand
I guess he values money more than your respect.
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Forgive me, but doesn't patrolling a Drone protect you against this sort of thing? Further, doesn't the new Queen range allow you to pick off repairing SCVs?
Perhaps it's time we reevaluated how overpowered ramp wall-offs actually are.
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So Byun notices the bug and instead of informing gom prepares a cheese against nestea... just wow.
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On July 13 2012 07:21 Shiori wrote:
Forgive me, but doesn't patrolling a Drone protect you against this sort of thing? Further, doesn't the new Queen range allow you to pick off repairing SCVs?
Perhaps it's time we reevaluated how overpowered ramp wall-offs actually are.
burt eberybody sai imba so imba that why we ban fro tronament byun scumbag.
User was warned for this post
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On July 13 2012 07:21 Viktorin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 23:25 MaNaVoId wrote:
Lost all respect for byun for not reporting the bug to GOM even though he noticed it beforehand I guess he values money more than your respect.
Which kind of says something about his character...
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On July 13 2012 07:27 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 07:21 Viktorin wrote:On July 12 2012 23:25 MaNaVoId wrote:
Lost all respect for byun for not reporting the bug to GOM even though he noticed it beforehand I guess he values money more than your respect. Which kind of says something about his character...
Yeah, he values actual tournament results over the opinion of random people on the internet who get upset over literally anything. What a madman.
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esvdiamond tweeted earlier to blame the map maker not the player, will remember that next time i find a knife on the street and go stab someone, dont blame me, blame the guy who dropped it.
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On July 13 2012 07:27 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 07:21 Viktorin wrote:On July 12 2012 23:25 MaNaVoId wrote:
Lost all respect for byun for not reporting the bug to GOM even though he noticed it beforehand I guess he values money more than your respect. Which kind of says something about his character...
It says that he is cunning. I dont see this as a negative character trait.
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On July 13 2012 07:29 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 07:27 KimJongChill wrote:On July 13 2012 07:21 Viktorin wrote:On July 12 2012 23:25 MaNaVoId wrote:
Lost all respect for byun for not reporting the bug to GOM even though he noticed it beforehand I guess he values money more than your respect. Which kind of says something about his character... Yeah, he values actual tournament results over the opinion of random people on the internet who get upset over literally anything. What a madman.
No, he seems to value results above sportsmanship, fairness and respect.
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you guys realize that bunker cheese isn't unbeatable.. maybe if their was some super glitch or something we could be having this conversation.
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I have no idea why bunker rushing is imbalanced. It's part of the game and people should deal with it honestly... like it's pretty damn hard for terran to beat zerg nowadays, just get rid of the neutral depots -_-
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On July 13 2012 07:21 Shiori wrote:
Forgive me, but doesn't patrolling a Drone protect you against this sort of thing? Further, doesn't the new Queen range allow you to pick off repairing SCVs?
Perhaps it's time we reevaluated how overpowered ramp wall-offs actually are.
Queen doesn't get out in time. The bunker block will be finished by the time queens are out. It's also a waste of mining time and stupid that zerg would have to do this EVERY single zvt and zvp just so they don't auto lose. There is a reason why it was changed, it was completely stupid and provided dumb games.
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On July 13 2012 07:27 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 07:21 Viktorin wrote:On July 12 2012 23:25 MaNaVoId wrote:
Lost all respect for byun for not reporting the bug to GOM even though he noticed it beforehand I guess he values money more than your respect. Which kind of says something about his character...
No it doesn't. Try again. Funny that only zergs seem really hurt and offended by this. I guess the bunkers bring back memories. :D
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On July 12 2012 22:17 Waxangel wrote:
According to the map maker "There's a bug that causes neutral supply depots to disappear sometimes when uploading to battle.net."
Don't know about that... Sounds like he's trying to save his ass for making a mistake. You'd think all the custom map makers would be complaining about that for happening all the time.
On July 13 2012 07:30 turdburgler wrote:
esvdiamond tweeted earlier to blame the map maker not the player, will remember that next time i find a knife on the street and go stab someone, dont blame me, blame the guy who dropped it.
I would blame the person who dropped the knife if it were a virtual fight where you needed to do anything to win, which starcraft kind of is. Context is important, bro.
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if the series was close that would of been awful,but it looks like byun would of just rolled through either way
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Pretty bush league from the world's premier SC2 league. =(
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On July 13 2012 07:36 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 07:21 Shiori wrote:
Forgive me, but doesn't patrolling a Drone protect you against this sort of thing? Further, doesn't the new Queen range allow you to pick off repairing SCVs?
Perhaps it's time we reevaluated how overpowered ramp wall-offs actually are. Queen doesn't get out in time. The bunker block will be finished by the time queens are out. It's also a waste of mining time and stupid that zerg would have to do this EVERY single zvt and zvp just so they don't auto lose. There is a reason why it was changed, it was completely stupid and provided dumb games.
Oh, that seems dreadful, terrans on the ladder must be either all very dumb or just very nice considering they are not using this at all in response to the ZvT trend, 11/11 is a gamble, it shouldn't be easy to hold, it's not easy to execute given the proper response and terran can die while doing it because of a single drone scout, you sound a lot like Idra, throwing general statements around without anything to back them up.
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