On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
Thanks. I was going to go off again but seeing as how upset this whole thing is making me I probably would have just sweared incoherently. I'll just repost the youtube video that Rhyinn happened to remove when quoting me. And this is just the tip of the iceberg of how people act in the mainstream.
On June 30 2012 13:46 MaestroSC wrote: LOL there is a poll about Axe'img SotG and kicking a player off... LOLOLOLOL who thinks of these things. People realize this is a decision that ONLY JP could make... and do you really think he is going to give a damn about the whines and complaints of.... 16 people? LOLOL
I DEMAND THAT BARACK OBOMA STEP DOWN! We had a poll on the internet,,, and 200 people are not happy. WOOT now he wont be president anymore!
(i dont dislike obama just making an example/point)... making a poll with options that you cant provide is a waste of time.... maybe next time u should make a poll about people handing you free money.... option A: 100 dollars per person. Option B. 1000 dollars per person. Option C: you have to give me all of your money! if your going to make a dreamer poll which you think will give you power you don't have.. reach for more than creative control over a SC2 webshow.
on a side note... who is luckyfool? Why are people acting like everyone should know his name? I have followed since sc2 beta and dont know that name?
Also saying Avilo is on the same level as idra or qxc is insane... How many matches has he won in korea? or at mlg? or at dreamhack? or in the nasl? the list goes on and on....
While I didn't make the poll or vote, I'm just going to skip all of that. What I will comment on is Avilo is totally not on the same level as Idra. Does that mean Idra has free reign to disrespect him? That's the point of this post...nothing more.
On June 30 2012 13:49 TheDraken wrote: most important question of this thread: who the fuck cares?
i'm sick of these witch hunts people try to start. people like the OP are only trying to stir up drama. let SOTG be what it is, if you don't like it, don't watch it. but coming on here trying to criticize teams for not being upright gentlemen is retarded. it's a fucking videogame.
I care. I care that huge SC2 shows are all about. How would you feel if you saw this episode on SportsCenter and they were all laughing at us?! I'm not trying to stir up any drama, I made this post so people can learn from their experiences.
It's also more than just a video game. This is the future of video games and people make really good livings off of these things!
On June 30 2012 13:28 OneBaseKing wrote: What did Avilo do previously? Did he do something that angered the SC2 community?
I'm not 100% on this, but I think that he and Idra had a heated argument before the interview even happened.
Avilo has a history of balance whining. IIRC, he was even whining about TvX back in the days of the GSTvTL
And Idra doesn't?
He bitched about Terran, then Protoss, then Terran, and then Protoss again. Only difference is that Idra has notable achievements compared to avilo.
But that doesn't mean you get to dismiss every point someone makes in such a shitty fashion. Idra can be part of his little team and live in their gaming house all he wants, point doesn't change that he acts like a stuck-up, childish, brat sometimes.
idra has a history of being one of the best western players both in bw and sc2
Your point? Or did you just want to pretty much re-state what I typed in the first part?
If the top players in a community don't have the ability to bitch about what they consider an in game imbalance then nobody does. Does this really need to be spelled out for you?
I never said he didn't have the ability to. So I guess it did need to be spelled out, considering you're trying to cite things I never said...
My point was that avilo wasn't the only one that has a history of crying "imba!".
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
So what you mean is that people in the real world argue by insulting people who aren't their friends and gangbanging on them?
Holy shit my real world must be a parallel universe or something. I insult the fuck out of my friends when I argue with them, if our friendship regularly involves such treatment. Someone who isn't my friend who I'm having an argument with? Why the flying fuck would I insult him and call him "imbecile" "fucker" among other disrespectful stuff? That's just rude.
No idea what you're even talking about. As for it being a gangbang, no, it was pretty much IdrA and Incontrol, which are two people. That hardly qualifies as a gangbang. JP decided to end the show when he realized it wasn't going to go a good way anytime soon. People are acting like the entire State of the Game podcast went and beat the shit out of him in real life, made him eat dirt, then forever ruined his career. More like Incontrol laughed at him, IdrA called him an imbecile when avilo was acting like one, then JP cut him off because he saw the show was going nowhere. Better make a dozen threads about that super important situation.
On June 30 2012 13:49 TheDraken wrote: most important question of this thread: who the fuck cares?
i'm sick of these witch hunts people try to start. people like the OP are only trying to stir up drama. let SOTG be what it is, if you don't like it, don't watch it. but coming on here trying to criticize teams for not being upright gentlemen is retarded. it's a fucking videogame.
I care. I care that huge SC2 shows are all about. How would you feel if you saw this episode on SportsCenter and they were all laughing at us?! I'm not trying to stir up any drama, I made this post so people can learn from their experiences.
It's also more than just a video game. This is the future of video games and people make really good livings off of these things!
Something tells me no one at all watching Sports Center would care about two guys mocking another guy on a podcast. They cover sports where people fight all the time, yell at each other, yell at refs, elbow each other, scream in dispute of seemingly stupid calls, people RIOT over their team winning or losing. People RIOT in things like football(soccer), you think Sports Center would care that IdrA and Incontrol mocked avilo? Uhhh
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
People are allowed to strive for ideals that don't always exist in "the real world." This is the one of the stupidest "slippery slope" arguments I have ever seen: people beat the shit out of other people in the real world, does that make it right? people steal from others in the real world, does that make it right? people mock and haze others in the real world, does that make it right? Based on your logic, all these things are fine because they occur "in the real world", even if they don't fit the definition of "mature." Sure, no one is forcing anyone to be mature (which the OP has made clear numerous times in this thread), but you sure as hell aren't gaining any fans by being a fucking asshole which you seem to think is fine because people are fucking assholes "in the real world."
On June 30 2012 13:49 TheDraken wrote: most important question of this thread: who the fuck cares?
i'm sick of these witch hunts people try to start. people like the OP are only trying to stir up drama. let SOTG be what it is, if you don't like it, don't watch it. but coming on here trying to criticize teams for not being upright gentlemen is retarded. it's a fucking videogame.
I care. I care that huge SC2 shows are all about. How would you feel if you saw this episode on SportsCenter and they were all laughing at us?! I'm not trying to stir up any drama, I made this post so people can learn from their experiences.
It's also more than just a video game. This is the future of video games and people make really good livings off of these things!
If people on Sports Center knew what was happening here, the only thing they would be laughing at is people like you.
It's pretty simple, for me. People act how they want to act. I don't try to change them, nor do I care to change them. If I find them pleasant / amusing / some other positive attribute, I like them, otherwise, they can piss off. People who find others' behavior unacceptable and go on a crusade to change them, or bring them into public shame in order to create a more perfect world are a fucking joke. But again, I accept them as that and have no desire to try to change them. If IdrA, JP, iNControL want to act a certain way, who gives a shit. It's how they are going to act. Make up your own minds, as supposedly intelligent human beings as to how much they are going to impact your own lives.
On June 30 2012 13:31 cmizzles wrote: Idra has every right to dismiss everything avilo and luckyfool have to say for the simple fact that they don't play starcraft 2 at the highest level. No matter what counter arguments Idra makes here, avilo is going to argue that it can't be done, when in actuality it just can't be done BY HIM. I'm not sure why avilo even wanted to go on the show when it was quite obvious that they were making fun of him, and were not going to take him seriously.
Idra had every right to argue with Avilo, which he did. No one has the right to dismiss everything someone says about the game of SC2. Avilo said it himself, which I agree with..."Just because you're not the best, doesn't mean you can't bring things to the game." My whole point of the article was to teach them how to learn from this experience and not make fun of their guests.
Well, if you're not the best, it does mean that whatever you have to say, or whatever idea you have, isn't all that relevant to professional level balance discussion because you haven't competed in professional level competition. Do you think pro sports coaches read the newspaper to find out what strategies sportswriters think will work?
Coaches at every level have contributed to the understanding of their respective games, which is a more apt analogy. You don't have to have competed at a "professional level" to understand the game whether it be football or SC2. In football in particular defensive and offensive schemes that have originated at the high school or small-college level have filtered up to the biggest college teams and/or to the NFL. The best-known offensive example would be the spread offense.
On June 30 2012 13:49 VirgilSC2 wrote: So, to everyone justifying how they treated Avilo on SotG with the fact that he has a reputation of whining about imbalance, should they not treat IdrA the same way?
I've heard IdrA whine about Protoss so many times, even when Zerg is actually widely considered to be stronger in the match-up than Protoss is. Does that make it alright to mock him like they mocked Avilo?
It's pretty despicable to treat a guest like that on ANY show. They could have been mature about it, brought him on, let him say his piece on TvZ/ZvT, politely tell him his time was up and then end the segment, giving a really unknown player a bit of a popularity boost as the same time as fostering discussion. Instead they bring him on the show, mock and harass him (as well as Luckyfool, another NA player with some good insight), then hang up on him. Very immature.
Very good take!!! That's a great point. Why not mock Idra for his poor play lately and whining about imbalances?! Idra has been the joke many times when talking about balance problems. They always say how he whines all the time that Zerg isn't the best race and they are the hardest to play.
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
Thanks. I was going to go off again but seeing as how upset this whole thing is making me I probably would have just sweared incoherently. I'll just repost the youtube video that Rhyinn happened to remove when quoting me. And this is just the tip of the iceberg of how people act in the mainstream. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP5jQRxLpy4
An asshole hangs up on an asshole. You posted this twice, so you feel it has relevance. I don't see it.
In every group of friends there is that one person that no body actually likes but keeps around just so they can shit on them to make them selves feel better.
On June 30 2012 13:49 PiGStarcraft wrote: Anyone who hasn't experienced Avilo's blatant BM, whining and idiocy (not just in SC2 but for many years in other RTS too) probably shares the view of the OP. I agree they should have handled it better but the fact that it's Avilo makes me not really give a shit. He's one of the few progamers who will regularly msg opponents after tournament matches to call them bad and accuse their race of being overpowered.
That's a shame and one of the reasons I am writing this thread to begin with. It's that kind of act that I want to see gone from e-sports. We don't need it...not one bit.
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
People are allowed to strive for ideals that don't always exist in "the real world." This is the one of the stupidest "slippery slope" arguments I have ever seen: people beat the shit out of other people in the real world, does that make it right? people steal from others in the real world, does that make it right? people mock and haze others in the real world, does that make it right? Based on your logic, all these things are fine because they occur "in the real world", even if they don't fit the definition of "mature." Sure, no one is forcing anyone to be mature (which the OP has made clear numerous times in this thread), but you sure as hell aren't gaining any fans by being a fucking asshole which you seem to think is fine because people are fucking assholes "in the real world."
You completely misunderstand because what we're saying is that this is how people act on mainstream media shows, which is what we would aspire too right? You think that mainstream talk shows are never rude to people because they are, often, and the usual reaction is that we laugh about it. The only people who get so hurt because of rudeness on talk shows are apparently people in the SC2 community.
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
People are allowed to strive for ideals that don't always exist in "the real world." This is the one of the stupidest "slippery slope" arguments I have ever seen: people beat the shit out of other people in the real world, does that make it right? people steal from others in the real world, does that make it right? people mock and haze others in the real world, does that make it right? Based on your logic, all these things are fine because they occur "in the real world", even if they don't fit the definition of "mature." Sure, no one is forcing anyone to be mature (which the OP has made clear numerous times in this thread), but you sure as hell aren't gaining any fans by being a fucking asshole which you seem to think is fine because people are fucking assholes "in the real world."
You call my argument a slippery slope while comparing IdrA and Incontrol bashing avilo to people physically assaulting each other in real life or stealing? Okay bud. There's a reason that you go to prison for assault and theft, and not for calling people imbeciles.
On June 30 2012 13:51 MaestroSC wrote: whine posts are hurting esports... we are never going to be the picture perfect hippies who love everyone that everyone dreams us to be. the nfl isnt, the nba isnt, soccer/football isnt, etc....
seriously people are entitled to have their opinions and to say them.... the crying and getting our feelings hurt over honesty is mind numbingly boring... people like this are begging for a scene where noone says anything but "gg" and "thank you to my sponsors and fans" because they get hunted down for having any opinions...
You can have your opinions. You can talk all the shit you want. But DO NOT bring a guest on your show and then laugh at him and then disconnect him from your show. Do you think that's the way to act?! Because if it is...I don't want to be a part of e-sports.
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
So what you mean is that people in the real world argue by insulting people who aren't their friends and gangbanging on them?
Holy shit my real world must be a parallel universe or something. I insult the fuck out of my friends when I argue with them, if our friendship regularly involves such treatment. Someone who isn't my friend who I'm having an argument with? Why the flying fuck would I insult him and call him "imbecile" "fucker" among other disrespectful stuff? That's just rude.
No idea what you're even talking about. As for it being a gangbang, no, it was pretty much IdrA and Incontrol, which are two people. That hardly qualifies as a gangbang. JP decided to end the show when he realized it wasn't going to go a good way anytime soon. People are acting like the entire State of the Game podcast went and beat the shit out of him in real life, made him eat dirt, then forever ruined his career. More like Incontrol laughed at him, IdrA called him an imbecile when avilo was acting like one, then JP cut him off because he saw the show was going nowhere. Better make a dozen threads about that super important situation.
What I'm talking about is that there's different ways to have dissent. Discussion and arguing is fine, the terms in which the discussion was in that particular time were not. Why even invite Avilo to the show if they're just gonna insult him and ignore the good points he was making (despite how badly they were drawn across). I understand when two friends argue and insult each other etc, that's normal. But you don't treat a person who isn't on your circle like that for no reason. At least most people I know don't do that, particularly when you invite them to participate on a discussion.
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