On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
Thanks. I was going to go off again but seeing as how upset this whole thing is making me I probably would have just sweared incoherently. I'll just repost the youtube video that Rhyinn happened to remove when quoting me. And this is just the tip of the iceberg of how people act in the mainstream.
An asshole hangs up on an asshole. You posted this twice, so you feel it has relevance. I don't see it.
The relevance is so mindblowingly obvious I'm not sure where to start. You do realize this thread is about assholes hanging up on assholes right?
On June 30 2012 13:53 striderxxx wrote: SOTG isn't very good anymore, but it's the only thing out there. They have complete bias and one sided arguements, like when they used to have all protoss representatives. Now they are EG heavy.
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
People are allowed to strive for ideals that don't always exist in "the real world." This is the one of the stupidest "slippery slope" arguments I have ever seen: people beat the shit out of other people in the real world, does that make it right? people steal from others in the real world, does that make it right? people mock and haze others in the real world, does that make it right? Based on your logic, all these things are fine because they occur "in the real world", even if they don't fit the definition of "mature." Sure, no one is forcing anyone to be mature (which the OP has made clear numerous times in this thread), but you sure as hell aren't gaining any fans by being a fucking asshole which you seem to think is fine because people are fucking assholes "in the real world."
You completely misunderstand because what we're saying is that this is how people act on mainstream media shows, which is what we would aspire too right? You think that mainstream talk shows are never rude to people because they are, often, and the usual reaction is that we laugh about it. The only people who get so hurt because of rudeness on talk shows are apparently people in the SC2 community.
Because no one else in the world that watches said programs has an opinion, right?
Not hearing any backlash/=/ there is no backlash. People have opinions that change their outtake on a certain person based on what they do/say.
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
People are allowed to strive for ideals that don't always exist in "the real world." This is the one of the stupidest "slippery slope" arguments I have ever seen: people beat the shit out of other people in the real world, does that make it right? people steal from others in the real world, does that make it right? people mock and haze others in the real world, does that make it right? Based on your logic, all these things are fine because they occur "in the real world", even if they don't fit the definition of "mature." Sure, no one is forcing anyone to be mature (which the OP has made clear numerous times in this thread), but you sure as hell aren't gaining any fans by being a fucking asshole which you seem to think is fine because people are fucking assholes "in the real world."
You completely misunderstand because what we're saying is that this is how people act on mainstream media shows, which is what we would aspire too right? You think that mainstream talk shows are never rude to people because they are, often, and the usual reaction is that we laugh about it. The only people who get so hurt because of rudeness on talk shows are apparently people in the SC2 community.
I don't misunderstand whatsoever because that post goes far beyond rudeness in mainstream shows. As a tangent, what shows are being referenced here? I'm pretty sure whatever show would be mentioned here I would most likely find completely inappropriate.
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
People are allowed to strive for ideals that don't always exist in "the real world." This is the one of the stupidest "slippery slope" arguments I have ever seen: people beat the shit out of other people in the real world, does that make it right? people steal from others in the real world, does that make it right? people mock and haze others in the real world, does that make it right? Based on your logic, all these things are fine because they occur "in the real world", even if they don't fit the definition of "mature." Sure, no one is forcing anyone to be mature (which the OP has made clear numerous times in this thread), but you sure as hell aren't gaining any fans by being a fucking asshole which you seem to think is fine because people are fucking assholes "in the real world."
You completely misunderstand because what we're saying is that this is how people act on mainstream media shows, which is what we would aspire too right? You think that mainstream talk shows are never rude to people because they are, often, and the usual reaction is that we laugh about it. The only people who get so hurt because of rudeness on talk shows are apparently people in the SC2 community.
Because no one else in the world that watches said programs has an opinion, right?
Not hearing any backlash/=/ there is no backlash. People have opinions that change their outtake on a certain person based on what they do/say.
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
People are allowed to strive for ideals that don't always exist in "the real world." This is the one of the stupidest "slippery slope" arguments I have ever seen: people beat the shit out of other people in the real world, does that make it right? people steal from others in the real world, does that make it right? people mock and haze others in the real world, does that make it right? Based on your logic, all these things are fine because they occur "in the real world", even if they don't fit the definition of "mature." Sure, no one is forcing anyone to be mature (which the OP has made clear numerous times in this thread), but you sure as hell aren't gaining any fans by being a fucking asshole which you seem to think is fine because people are fucking assholes "in the real world."
You completely misunderstand because what we're saying is that this is how people act on mainstream media shows, which is what we would aspire too right? You think that mainstream talk shows are never rude to people because they are, often, and the usual reaction is that we laugh about it. The only people who get so hurt because of rudeness on talk shows are apparently people in the SC2 community.
I don't misunderstand whatsoever because that post goes far beyond rudeness in mainstream shows. As a tangent, what shows are being referenced here? I'm pretty sure whatever show would be mentioned here I would most likely find completely inappropriate.
Almost all talk show I can think of. I can vividly remember things from Adam Corolla, Howard Stern, Jay Leno, the View, even Oprah.
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
So what you mean is that people in the real world argue by insulting people who aren't their friends and gangbanging on them?
Holy shit my real world must be a parallel universe or something. I insult the fuck out of my friends when I argue with them, if our friendship regularly involves such treatment. Someone who isn't my friend who I'm having an argument with? Why the flying fuck would I insult him and call him "imbecile" "fucker" among other disrespectful stuff? That's just rude.
No idea what you're even talking about. As for it being a gangbang, no, it was pretty much IdrA and Incontrol, which are two people. That hardly qualifies as a gangbang. JP decided to end the show when he realized it wasn't going to go a good way anytime soon. People are acting like the entire State of the Game podcast went and beat the shit out of him in real life, made him eat dirt, then forever ruined his career. More like Incontrol laughed at him, IdrA called him an imbecile when avilo was acting like one, then JP cut him off because he saw the show was going nowhere. Better make a dozen threads about that super important situation.
What I'm talking about is that there's different ways to have dissent. Discussion and arguing is fine, the terms in which the discussion was in that particular time were not. Why even invite Avilo to the show if they're just gonna insult him and ignore the good points he was making (despite how badly they were drawn across). I understand when two friends argue and insult each other etc, that's normal. But you don't treat a person who isn't on your circle like that for no reason. At least most people I know don't do that, particularly when you invite them to participate on a discussion.
Avilo did not make good points. Avilo repeated the discussion that IdrA and qxc already had, which IdrA had given IMO a decent enough answer to, then twisted IdrA's words to claim that he agreed with avilo when IdrA clearly did not. There is a clear reason that they treated avilo like that. The transcript may not get it across but avilo seemed almost hysterical in the way he was talking. qxc then calmly repeated what avilo was trying to get across, but the late-game situation had already been discussed and avilo was adding nothing, and twisting IdrA's words.
In case you don't recall/didn't see it, IdrA said you can get on even footing macro wise with MMM and mass expansions, go marine-tank if you face ling/muta/baneling, go MMM/expand while sprinkling in marauders because zerg has to go ultra as their first T3 choice due to the MMM aggression, then put up 5 starports with your extra economy to pump out vikings during the broodlord tech switch.
Avilo's argument...was him saying this is impossible. He added nothing, and in the past has just been a complete balance whiner and extremely BM in general. He said it was impossible pretty much because he sits back behind planetary fortresses with tanks and vikings and forces zergs to take an hour to kill him, hence the zerg can literally do anything they want and tech switch constantly against HIM. Just because he does not arguably "play terran right" in the current metagame doesn't mean that terran is imbalanced.
I think we have different ideas as to what SOTG is and what roles it is there to fufill. When I tune in to SOTG I just want to feel like I'm hanging out with "the guys" for a little while and laugh at their jokes. "Serious" content and in-depth analysis is good on top of the humour. Why can't "serious" content be discussed while making jokes?
So much of the hate on SOTG seems to stem from the idea that they prioritize silly jokes and stories over hard analysis, but that fine to me. In fact, I want them to prioritize it that way
I couldn't agree more with what you're saying. But the way Avilo was treated wasn't about "jokes." They talked about serious balance issues and tried to make an episode with that.
They already discussed it with IdrA and QXC. Avilo was purely for entertainment value. It was probably a little mean, but like I have stated before, I was responding to what I felt was a general complaint about SOTG and it being unprofessional and not serious enough.
I don't want them to be professional at all. Sometimes they're gonna do weird shit like fuck with Avilo, and don't even get me started on Mia Rose, but I would rather that weird shit happen than them hold back.
And as callous as it sounds, sometimes being mean is entertaining. Day[9] constantly shits on Combat-Ex here in the greatest cast ever, but it's damn good.
On June 30 2012 13:56 l_Kyo_l wrote: The people who are writing these things and just completely turning a blind eye to the logic that was used by Idra prior to this show are seriously pissing me off.
Are you seriously so dumb that you cannot understand, first off, that it IS JP's show, and it IS NOT sponsored by anyone. Asserting this "standard" onto how he wants to conduct his own show is absurd. Secondly, the statement of "it's really rude to do xxx to Avilo" is so mind boggling. Did you even listen to Avilo in this "debate"? All he did was come on, whine to the players without taking Idra's points into consideration, unlike QXC, attempt to turn around what Idra said, and then flat out talk over him. If you've ever actually been in a debate or had a meaningful conversation in your life you don't just talk on top of other people; and to be honest, if I was the show host and an invited a person who couldn't come on and articulate themself in a way that was beneficial to the debate, while at the same time, just rehashing the same points and sticking to one "gotcha" point I would have dropped them just like JP did.
Now, this isn't to say that I don't agree about the balance complaints Avilo was attempting to make. And I feel rightly so, that there are indeed some problems in TvZ that cannot be as easily explained as Idra made it out to be. But, when you objectively look back on what Idra was saying, even before Avilo came on, that he didn't want him on the show and then Idra tells him off and you blame the show for "being rude" it really just bugs the hell out of me. You should be happy they even let Avilo on the show in the first place knowing that it would more than likely happen. They did it for fun, they had their fun, and yet people seem to get these stupid ideas that the show is completely bias and hateful towards people like Avilo. No, the truth of the matter is, Avilo doesn't fully understand what he's talking about because hes not a top tier foreign pro and the conduct he brought to the show was simply an instigation upon what had already been brought up. If he can't bring anything to the debate, or cannot conduct meaningful advances to the debate what did you think would happen after he was on for 10 minutes?
It's not as big of a deal as you people are making it out to be, and it makes zero sense to me how you can objectively stand up for Avilo in this showing. This is coming from someone who has many LgN friends, and I fully respect Avilo as well, but seriously, you're just being irrational if you are attempting to cry loud enough that this is "disprespect" and needs to be brought to forefront of the community. Get over yourselves.
Did you read what I wrote?! The first thing he did when he came on was thank them for letting him on. He AGREED with Idra on more than one occasion. I also noted that he isn't the best debater...but on top of all that, you're still missing the point of the article. The point is that you can not think of your podcast as one of the best and strive to be the best while disrespecting people on your show.
You are also stating things that I agree with. I also give advice on how to get over those obstacles with examples.
If you don't enjoy SOTG, don't watch. I'm not just saying this for it to be the "nobody gives a shit about you think" kind of response (although that's true too). It is an honest advice - don't watch. Or at the very least consider whether the show has any value left to you.
They really don't say anything on the show that you wouldn't know otherwise, there's no insider feel to it, there's really not as many insightful comments on any topic, if we're being honest for the longest time now it was just generic discussion, cheap humor and an occasional shitstorm-inducing drama to mix it up. It can be entertaining if you're into that kind of stuff, otherwise it's going to be cringe inducing on a regular basis and you're shooting yourself in the foot by watching it.
This whole raising awareness and trying to change things on a larger scale won't work. What does work is organizing your SC2-related time and content to match your preferences. Focus on things you enjoy, run from everything else.
On June 30 2012 13:33 fraktoasters wrote: This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Of course they acted like human beings...disrespectful human beings. You are the only person who posts on here and you are very upset at what? "Us losers" who care about the community and it's image?!
I AM a mature thinking adult who posts legit ways of dealing with people exactly like you! You are the exact thing that I am trying to get rid of in this community. I am not trying to hurt the scene for any "little reason" I can think of, I'm actually trying to do the complete opposite. You didn't even read the article did you?
Being rude to other players is not small and definitely not irrelevant.
The funny thing about people who call themselves mature, is that they assume the way they behave is the superior and more "adult" way of acting. You are not a "mature thinking adult", you are a person with your opinion on how a community full of human beings should act, on a show known for sometimes being a bit outrageous, with community figures such as Incontrol and IdrA that are known to act in a way that offended "mature thinking adults" such as yourself.
Step out into the real world, where there is constant shit talking in real sports, all communities have dissent, people mock others, people form cliques, etc. By saying you want SotG to act in a "mature" and "professional" manner, you really mean that you want everyone to act like polite robots that fit your image of how people should properly behave. You literally just spent probably an hour writing out that transcript and the rest of the original thread to trash an online video game podcast and you consider yourself a mature adult attempting to help out the scene?
People are allowed to strive for ideals that don't always exist in "the real world." This is the one of the stupidest "slippery slope" arguments I have ever seen: people beat the shit out of other people in the real world, does that make it right? people steal from others in the real world, does that make it right? people mock and haze others in the real world, does that make it right? Based on your logic, all these things are fine because they occur "in the real world", even if they don't fit the definition of "mature." Sure, no one is forcing anyone to be mature (which the OP has made clear numerous times in this thread), but you sure as hell aren't gaining any fans by being a fucking asshole which you seem to think is fine because people are fucking assholes "in the real world."
You completely misunderstand because what we're saying is that this is how people act on mainstream media shows, which is what we would aspire too right? You think that mainstream talk shows are never rude to people because they are, often, and the usual reaction is that we laugh about it. The only people who get so hurt because of rudeness on talk shows are apparently people in the SC2 community.
Because no one else in the world that watches said programs has an opinion, right?
Not hearing any backlash/=/ there is no backlash. People have opinions that change their outtake on a certain person based on what they do/say.
OK? so what?
So citing talk shows as proof that this is an acceptable way to act doesn't work?
I would also love some citation of ANY clip, from ANY show. Good chance is that they're making fun of someone on purpose, or quite frankly, its a pretty shit show(at least in my taste).
On June 30 2012 13:53 striderxxx wrote: SOTG isn't very good anymore, but it's the only thing out there. They have complete bias and one sided arguements, like when they used to have all protoss representatives. Now they are EG heavy.
You noticed that too, eh?
Don't you think it's possible that people on EG just generally want to do the show?
On June 30 2012 13:16 MetalPanda wrote: Disrespect isn't that bad of a thing as you might subject, I think. You can't like or respect everyone. It was unprofessional, yes, but not at a dramatic point. SOTG isn't the news nor is it mainstream at all. There's not a lot restraining Idra to not say ''shut the fuck up'' to someone you hate that cuts you off when talking (taking his perspective on what happened), besides maybe sponsors, but even then. Idra just really dislikes Avilo, it's just how it is, it was destined to be explosive. The decision to call Avilo knowing all this was worse than the result.
This to me is just the usual e-sports drama.
This to you is usual e-sports behavior?! Then I for one don't want to be a part of e-sports. Call it unprofessional or disrespect, I don't care. The fact that you go on a show about SC and call another player a fucking imbecile and tell him to shut the fuck up is mind-blowing to me. For people to sponsor that kind of behavior is also just as mind-blowing. If this was any other major sport, that player would be issuing an apology.
Oh no! Someones being rude over the internet? Oh no! Jesus christ are you joking me? This isn't fucking the NFL or the NBA or any body of sports that will fine you THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS for being a jack ass. This is a COMMUNITY RUN SHOW for a VIDEO GAME. This fucking mantra of "hurr durr esports must be professional" is really fucking annoying.
I really don't understand this at all. Why can't the argument be...Oh no! Someone's being nice and respectful over the internet?! Oh no! Jesus christ are you joking me!? See the difference there?! This fucking mantra of e-sports must be professional is the only way e-sports is going to be taken to the next level!!!
While I agree that the state of the game ppl were being way too hostile towards Avilo, I have to agree with IdrA though.
The metagame is not stabilized yet. Terrans haven't found their new timing. Sure, right now, on paper you can say "oh zerg so OP blah blah blah." But seriously, look at TVP two months back. Everyone was crying OP then. Then what happened? MVP figured shit out, and he won a GSL, and that shut everyone up. I find it really interesting that for the past half a year, the only ones crying IMBA are terrans. Queen buff and overlord scout affects ZVP too, but for some reason I don't hear any protoss player complaining.
By this point, we should all realize the fact that JP brought Avilo on for no other reason but to humiliate him. Why? Because in JP/IdrA's opinion, Avilo is just a Terran player and a crying baby. There was no other result that could have happened. Besides the brutal cut off at the end, I have to say that it could've been way worse than Avilo.
On June 30 2012 13:16 MetalPanda wrote: Disrespect isn't that bad of a thing as you might subject, I think. You can't like or respect everyone. It was unprofessional, yes, but not at a dramatic point. SOTG isn't the news nor is it mainstream at all. There's not a lot restraining Idra to not say ''shut the fuck up'' to someone you hate that cuts you off when talking (taking his perspective on what happened), besides maybe sponsors, but even then. Idra just really dislikes Avilo, it's just how it is, it was destined to be explosive. The decision to call Avilo knowing all this was worse than the result.
This to me is just the usual e-sports drama.
This to you is usual e-sports behavior?! Then I for one don't want to be a part of e-sports. Call it unprofessional or disrespect, I don't care. The fact that you go on a show about SC and call another player a fucking imbecile and tell him to shut the fuck up is mind-blowing to me. For people to sponsor that kind of behavior is also just as mind-blowing. If this was any other major sport, that player would be issuing an apology.
Oh no! Someones being rude over the internet? Oh no! Jesus christ are you joking me? This isn't fucking the NFL or the NBA or any body of sports that will fine you THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS for being a jack ass. This is a COMMUNITY RUN SHOW for a VIDEO GAME. This fucking mantra of "hurr durr esports must be professional" is really fucking annoying.
I really don't understand this at all. Why can't the argument be...Oh no! Someone's being nice and respectful over the internet?! Oh no! Jesus christ are you joking me!? See the difference there?! This fucking mantra of e-sports must be professional is the only way e-sports is going to be taken to the next level!!!
Feel free to offer proof that acting completely professional is the only way to get to the next level. Especially since some of the biggest names in e-sports are shrouded in controversy. IdrA's stream gets far more than any Korean zerg stream, even someone like DRG or Nestea, and not because he's particularly great. You have a very limited world view if you believe the only way for e-sports to be sucessful is to act professional. No, the way for e-sports to be successful is to generate interest in watching a video game. When people are told about Starcraft 2, I doubt they go "Do all the professional players smile at each other, shake hands, and thank their family for their victory?" They go "is this interesting and why will it interest me?"
Maybe that will get your mom to watch the show, but no one watches ANYTHING on TV and goes "is that actor polite to other actors?" Last time I checked not too many people bash on asshole/bitchy actors/actresses for their behavior, they judge the entertainment based on the QUALITY OF ENTERTAINMENT. If you want e-sports to grow, have it appeal to the mainstream person---give a reason for someone to be changing the channel, see SC2, and choose to watch it over another program. IdrA and Incontrol calling avilo probably doesn't matter to anyone getting into the scene.
On June 30 2012 14:03 caneras wrote: The recap of what happened could be put in spoilers, or provide a link to the segment where it happens. The size of the post is intimidating with the entire bit included. Either way, a detailed, thought out perspective on what happened is a sight for sore eyes since the entire issue has been blown out of proportion in every possible direction.
I really wish the point of this post would be the thing that everyone is paying attention to.
iNcontroL can be a very mean person sometimes I don't understand why he does that, sometimes he acts like the big popular boy picking on the smaller kids(I'm not talking about only this Avilo thing, it's always been like this). I think I'm starting to understand why Day9 got out of the show.
On June 30 2012 14:03 RedBack wrote: I seriously wish mods would just delete mind numbingly stupid threads like this. They dont serve any purpose except to create more stupid drama while the OP jacks off at the attention he's getting.
I'm not trying to create drama. Did you read the post at all?
What the fuck stop posting about this. It's no big deal, and as a community it really sucks that we have so many dramawhores who love to blow these things way out of proportion.
Yeah, that SoTG was pretty weird and they were rude to Avilo, but I don't know anything about the SoTG hosts and their history with Avilo, or anything about Avilo in general... for all I know this disrespect exists for a good reason.
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