EPTSC Behavior Going Backward, Instead of Forward - Page 6
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
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Rhyinn
United States51 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:19 -Exalt- wrote: Avilo is known as a generic mediocre Terran who complains all day about P/Z. Why is it a surprise that iNcontroL, who probably prides himself in not complaining about balance on such an extreme degree, treats him as he did? You also forget SOTG is in part a comedy show, and making fun of someone who is a balance-whiner WHILE he is complaining about balance is actually quite funny. You know, just how iNc makes fun of Artosis? yeah, they do that sometimes. Settle the fk down IMO. The surprise comes from the fact that he holds a position on one of the most important podcasts about SC and he laughed at the guy. SOTG is anything but funny when Idra is swearing and people are making fun of others. It's funny when iNc makes fun of Artosis because there is no hatred behind it. iNc was not making fun of Avilo's hummus. Do you see how that's not humor, it's disrespect. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:56 Oiseaux wrote: I'm sorry, but I'm missing the part where Avilo asked to be on the show so he could be mocked. I never said he asked to be on the show so he could be mocked. I'm merely saying that he asked to be on the show, period. And the reason I said that was because your post gave me the impression that you thought Avilo was asked to be brought on to the show, rather than Avilo being brought on by his own request. I think that's an important factor to consider because the way I see it, what occurred on the show becomes much worse if someone else asked Avilo to come on, rather than Avilo inviting himself on. | ||
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rockon1215
United States612 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:40 Ireniicus wrote: I agree they were being a little mean to Avilo, more mean than they probably should have, but I was addressing a general sentiment towards SOTG I have been noticing that I wanted argue against. Then again, I am a strange person.As i said in a previous post joking is great. But when you are doing that you have to be careful because it isn't just your friends chatting it is also 10k people and humiliating someone for a cheap laugh is not acceptable..period A little off-topic rant: I can't stand watching sportscenter or really anything on ESPN. Reporting sports news is great and highlights are great, but it's just so boring to me the way they present it. I want sportscenter on HBO with penis jokes and swearing while they report the same news. People on sportscenter are boring as ass. American football commentary is boring as ass compared to SC commentary because SC casters, in addition to not dealing with the FCC, aren't bound by the same "professionalism" that those guys are. This is the greatest Day[9] cast ever because he could just fuck around and it made me happy. | ||
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Oproer
Netherlands108 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:59 Rhyinn wrote: The surprise comes from the fact that he holds a position on one of the most important podcasts about SC and he laughed at the guy. SOTG is anything but funny when Idra is swearing and people are making fun of others. It's funny when iNc makes fun of Artosis because there is no hatred behind it. iNc was not making fun of Avilo's hummus. Do you see how that's not humor, it's disrespect. Yeah, but it's on the internet so it's okay to be disrespectful right? Also, e-sports is hardly professional so that's all the more reason to be a rude little dickwad online.. | ||
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Rhyinn
United States51 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:20 rockon1215 wrote: From the parts I skimmed (it was long ok?) It seems like you are angry at SOTG for being unprofessional and rude to Avilo. I think that was the whole reason Avilo was brought on: IdrA and Avilo having a uncivilized argument for the entertainment factor first and to inform second. This is fine to me. Professionalism has it's place in SC2 but it's quite frankly boring to have it all of the time and drama is delicious Sorry for making it too long =) I agree with the part where you say that SC is boring with no drama. Bringing your baggage and airing it out on your professional podcast is not the way to do it, in my opinion. | ||
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:43 Oiseaux wrote: Obviously it's their show and they can run it how they want. They can also take constructive criticism from it's viewers and potentially make make their show more enjoyable for wider audiences, therefore expanding it's audience. No one is trying to argue it isn't their choice on how to run the show. No one is trying to shut them down, if anything the critics are trying to help them. And finally, the "witch hunt" line just proves how stupidly sensationalist your post it. "SC Behavior Going Backwards Instead of Forwards" There is a poll on Page 2 with one of the options as: "Show is fine but Incontrol should depart".... FROM THE SHOW HE HELPED CREATE? They invited Avilo on their show, who argued with a main cast member to the point where he had to be booted, just after Idra/qxc had a very detailed, mannered, and incredibly whine-free talk about the exact same thing. Critics are trying to help them? Really? Because from the posts I've seen, everyone is either shitting on Idra, shitting on Incontrol, shitting on JP, shitting on the show, shitting on avilo, or like me where we don't really give two shits either way and feel it's a great show regardless. I'm not going to jump at your obvious rage bait in your final line, but with SotG main thread + 2 subsidiary threads about the exact same thing, I think my final line is perfectly applicable. | ||
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OtoshimonoU
United States509 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:57 nGBeast wrote: Oh no! Someones being rude over the internet? Oh no! Jesus christ are you joking me? This isn't fucking the NFL or the NBA or any body of sports that will fine you THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS for being a jack ass. This is a COMMUNITY RUN SHOW for a VIDEO GAME. This fucking mantra of "hurr durr esports must be professional" is really fucking annoying. Just because it's the internet doesn't mean you can be a jackass. | ||
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nGBeast
United States914 Posts
On June 30 2012 14:01 OtoshimonoU wrote: Just because it's the internet doesn't mean you can be a jackass. And just because some is being a jackass doesn't mean we need a holy crusade on that person or persons. | ||
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caneras
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RedBack
Australia102 Posts
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sugatooth
United States52 Posts
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Rhyinn
United States51 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:20 Ireniicus wrote: I disagree. It started going sour Q4 2011. It is why Day9 left. I am beginning to think this show has run its course. Realtalk is pretty good and we have ITG. the Executives etc. We need new more mature personalities representing our community. Should SotG continue as it is? Poll: Should SotG be axed? No, but Incontrol should depart (50) No, its the best SC show (41) Yes, the show has run its course (21) (7) (6) 125 total votes Your vote: Should SotG be axed? (Vote): No, its the best SC show That's a really awesome post. Unfortunately, I am largely unfamiliar with the rest of these shows! I wish I could give my opinion on them. I really wish that I could be the producer of a legit podcast or TV show or something with SC! haha The amount of professionalism has to match the amount of viewers you wish to obtain. If you want mediocrity, then be semi-professional I guess. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
seriously if you do not like the show do not watch it and they will stop doing the show. else if you want people off the show let them know and be vocal so tired of people all butthurt over little nothings. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Avilo: Skip Bayless SOTG: the ESPN: First Take of the SC2 media community. Enjoyable most of the time but just as shitty whenever the testosterone takes over. | ||
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dnld12
United States324 Posts
First off: Avilo should've never EVER been brought onto the show. In the beginning, Idra, INcontrol, said 'comments' about Avilo. BAM. JP should've taken as a hint that bringing Avilo on the show would be aggrevating to the players. Also: QXC did a WONDERFUL job of discussing with Idra. In here we can show that Idra CAN get off his 'high' horse and talk to players who are logical and show respect. Also this part in ur post: Idra felt that he got cut off while trying to make a point Now, as for Avilo cutting off Idra. IN any discussion, in any debate, talking etc. If you have any respect: If you said you're point and you're done, that means YOU ARE DONE. Avilo cut off Idra. That means Idra had every right to say 'Shut the fuck up'. Why? Because Avilo was in the wrong. Was the words disrespectful sure why not. But by saying that is disrespectful is ignoring or belittling the fact that Avilo was NOT supposed to be talking in the first place. Idra respected Avilo's right to make a point but it is OBVIOUS that Avilo did NOT respect Idra's. This, however, gives Idra no right to call Avilo a fucking imbecile. Like i said before, Idra had every right to call him that. If i was trying to have a discussion and someone kept talking while i was trying to discuss. I would tell him or her to STOP. Let me talk cause i gave you your turn. Incontrol stepping in to defend is teammate: there is nothing wrong with that. Using his Humor? Playing to his strengths? I think THAT is ignorant. When you see a FRIEND arguing, First response? Back friend up. Immediately. Observers can say, "Oh its clearly Geoff is being bias" So what? If Incontrol is friends with IDra, than he has every right to back him up. It is not Incontrol's Duty to Be a peacekeeper in an arguement. YOu are placing 'expectations' on people because you want them to be there. You are not looking at the basic relationships each of the players have with one another. You say something like, “This clearly isn’t going anywhere and I don’t feel like arguing anymore. InControl, what do you think of all of this?” Or…”This argument is making me mad. I don’t think my race is overpowered and that’s all I have to say about that.” This part made me cringe. how do you say this? How do you think they can say this? I hate to used this over used qoute but : hindsight is 20/20. In an outside situation, you and i can say on our high horses and say : "oh he acted so uncivilized." Or " Oh he should've responded like this." BUT they are not perfect. They cannot control their anger as PERFECT as WE supposedly can. And since we probably CAN control our Anger so well, we should be able to judge them as such. Because we are so perfect when we are angry, we react to other acceptability when we are interrupted or get angry. JP drops Avilo from Skype. Really? If ur really arruing about this, Go ahead and go Yell at Djwheat about dropping people on calls. Djwheat YELLS at people on LIve on THree, Yells on Inside the game. So DONT bring this up if you are NOT going to yell at Djwheat. That is double standard. Finally this statement: Avilo said nothing, except being a little poor at debating, to warrant that kind of behavior. Taking the easy way out on this one was a bad choice. I am sorry to say but you are riding on the band wagon. You look are looking at this with blinders on because it is easier to side with the supposed little guy than it is with the person who seems 'bad.' This is message to anyone reading this post: Everyone is human. | ||
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Sikly
United States413 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:49 VirgilSC2 wrote: So, to everyone justifying how they treated Avilo on SotG with the fact that he has a reputation of whining about imbalance, should they not treat IdrA the same way? I've heard IdrA whine about Protoss so many times, even when Zerg is actually widely considered to be stronger in the match-up than Protoss is. Does that make it alright to mock him like they mocked Avilo? It's pretty despicable to treat a guest like that on ANY show. They could have been mature about it, brought him on, let him say his piece on TvZ/ZvT, politely tell him his time was up and then end the segment, giving a really unknown player a bit of a popularity boost as the same time as fostering discussion. Instead they bring him on the show, mock and harass him (as well as Luckyfool, another NA player with some good insight), then hang up on him. Very immature. Lets be honest, Idra was and still is mocked like that. He's been mocked for it for so long that it isn't even an insult anymore, rather a jest. If you watch the Unborrowed thing EG did even Thorzain joked about Idra's hate for Protoss. If you watch almost any show Idra is on someone will mention it at least once. The difference is Idra is a known player so people don't consider it bullying, unlike Avilo is is a borderline unknown. It was stupid to bring Avilo on. It was stupid for Avilo to want to come on. He wanted to cause shit, as shown by his first comments. He was also unreasonable with his arguments, but you could say that was just the pressure of thousands of people watching him while he knew what the situation was. A lot of people act like Avilo coming on was to discuss balance. He wasn't. It was never intended to be a balance discussion. JP might not have known, but Geoff wanted Avilo on so Avilo would piss off Idra. QXC and Tyler knew, you could tell by how they were acting the from the moment JP said he was going to be on. JP had never intended for Avilo to come on the show, it was only Geoff asking him to do it that caused it. So really, people need to stop acting like bringing him on and having a legit discussion should have happened, because it was never going to happen. They should be mad that he was brought on as an entertainment point. In the future they should stop bringing unplanned guests on. So far they are shooting 0/2 with it ending well. This was arguably the best show they've had all year, up until the Avilo moment. | ||
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Oiseaux
United States676 Posts
On June 30 2012 13:59 HolyArrow wrote: I never said he asked to be on the show so he could be mocked. I'm merely saying that he asked to be on the show, period. And the reason I said that was because your post gave me the impression that you thought Avilo was asked to be brought on to the show, rather than Avilo being brought on by his own request. I think that's an important factor to consider because the way I see it, what occurred on the show becomes much worse if someone else asked Avilo to come on, rather than Avilo inviting himself on. Frankly it doesn't matter who asked who. Theoreticals (based on the previously embedded quotes): -If Avilo asked: SotG agrees because they see the comedic value in mocking him. -If SotG asked: They are actively seeking the previous mentioned comedic value. In the end, it doesn't matter who asked who. SotG either acted or reacted in a way that was immature. | ||
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blamekilly
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rufflesQueso
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On June 30 2012 14:00 rockon1215 wrote: I agree they were being a little mean to Avilo, more mean than they probably should have, but I was addressing a general sentiment towards SOTG I have been noticing that I wanted argue against. Then again, I am a strange person. A little off-topic rant: I can't stand watching sportscenter or really anything on ESPN. Reporting sports news is great and highlights are great, but it's just so boring to me the way they present it. I want sportscenter on HBO with penis jokes and swearing while they report the same news. People on sportscenter are boring as ass. American football commentary is boring as ass compared to SC commentary because SC casters, in addition to not dealing with the FCC, aren't bound by the same "professionalism" that those guys are. This is the greatest Day[9] cast ever because he could just fuck around and it made me happy. hahahahah! greatest cast by day9. its soooo funny hearing him nonchalantly throwing the words fuck and penis around. rofl. :D | ||
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