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On June 30 2012 13:31 cmizzles wrote:
Idra has every right to dismiss everything avilo and luckyfool have to say for the simple fact that they don't play starcraft 2 at the highest level. No matter what counter arguments Idra makes here, avilo is going to argue that it can't be done, when in actuality it just can't be done BY HIM. I'm not sure why avilo even wanted to go on the show when it was quite obvious that they were making fun of him, and were not going to take him seriously.
You can make the same argument. Idra isn't even close to the same level as DRG, Symbol, Nestea or even Stephano. And even DRG is saying how strong Zerg are right now and that this is his chance to win a GSL.
And it's not just Avilo saying this, MKP, MMA, MVP all have expressed concerns on how Zerg is AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
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Russian Federation142 Posts
I used to think poorly of the podcast, but now I've changed my mind. Thanks OP!!!
STAY STRONG IDRA, INCONTROLL. OUR HEARTS ARE WITH YOU!
Haters gonna hate.
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On June 30 2012 13:38 rockon1215 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 13:20 Ireniicus wrote:On June 30 2012 13:13 yourteam wrote:
the crux of your post is built around this idea that at some earlier point in time SOTG was a better, more mannered show.
At no point in your post did I see any justification for this. The only decline related to SOTG have been the tournament results of its key players. I disagree. It started going sour Q4 2011. It is why Day9 left. I am beginning to think this show has run its course. Realtalk is pretty good and we have ITG. the Executives etc. We need new more mature personalities representing our community. Should SotG continue as it is? Poll: Should SotG be axed?No, but Incontrol should depart (50) 40% No, its the best SC show (41) 33% Yes, the show has run its course (21) 17% (7) 6% (6) 5% 125 total votes Your vote: Should SotG be axed? (Vote): No, its the best SC show
(Vote): Yes, the show has run its course
(Vote): No, but Incontrol should depart
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I think we have different ideas as to what SOTG is and what roles it is there to fufill. When I tune in to SOTG I just want to feel like I'm hanging out with "the guys" for a little while and laugh at their jokes. "Serious" content and in-depth analysis is good on top of the humour. Why can't "serious" content be discussed while making jokes? So much of the hate on SOTG seems to stem from the idea that they prioritize silly jokes and stories over hard analysis, but that fine to me. In fact, I want them to prioritize it that way
As i said in a previous post joking is great. But when you are doing that you have to be careful because it isn't just your friends chatting it is also 10k people and humiliating someone for a cheap laugh is not acceptable..period
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EG i think has been making some misteps latly, but this article i think is centered aggreivly against them, avilo is just as noteworthy as QXC or whoever else. so dont blatently disrespect him. WHAT TICKED ME OFF WAS THE COMMENTS ON LUCKYFOOL. Blatent disrespect, and he IS SUCH a contributer to the sc2 scene. and idra smh
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Cool transcription. Didn't get too watch it and can imagine being there :D
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On June 30 2012 13:39 Chaggi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 13:31 cmizzles wrote:
Idra has every right to dismiss everything avilo and luckyfool have to say for the simple fact that they don't play starcraft 2 at the highest level. No matter what counter arguments Idra makes here, avilo is going to argue that it can't be done, when in actuality it just can't be done BY HIM. I'm not sure why avilo even wanted to go on the show when it was quite obvious that they were making fun of him, and were not going to take him seriously. You can make the same argument. Idra isn't even close to the same level as DRG, Symbol, Nestea or even Stephano. And even DRG is saying how strong Zerg are right now and that this is his chance to win a GSL. And it's not just Avilo saying this, MKP, MMA, MVP all have expressed concerns on how Zerg is AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
Does anyone really consider Idra a good source for balance discussion?
And "only the best/highest players can talk about balance" is a pointless argument, because then only 5 people can talk about balance and none of them have a show like this (also, none of them speak decent english, except maybe Stephano)
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On June 30 2012 13:36 SwizzY wrote:
It's their show, it garners viewers like everyone complaining in this thread, and if you don't like it, stop watching.
There is no Esports internet stream commissioning board that is going to shut down SotG because of a spat like this. Nor would I want there to be one anyways.
Idra is a thick, arrogant, BM guy, but at the end of the day he's one of SotG main members. The JP/Incontrol/Idra trio can do whatever the hell they want on their show.
And to think, I thought the Esports witch hunt metaphor was an exaggeration.
Obviously it's their show and they can run it how they want. They can also take constructive criticism from it's viewers and potentially make make their show more enjoyable for wider audiences, therefore expanding it's audience. No one is trying to argue it isn't their choice on how to run the show. No one is trying to shut them down, if anything the critics are trying to help them.
And finally, the "witch hunt" line just proves how stupidly sensationalist your post it.
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On June 30 2012 13:28 OneBaseKing wrote:
What did Avilo do previously? Did he do something that angered the SC2 community?
He has been whining about balance since the beta (in the most annoying ways possible). When he plays IdrA on ladder he does stupid turtle builds just to waste IdrA's time (mass PF/tank in which he has no chance of whining but results in 40min game). He has been criticizing SotG and Incontrol recently in the TL Thread. People who do not closely follow NA scene/players may think he is some innocent player who did nothing deserve his treatment on SotG (not saying the SotG hosts were justified in their actions), but there is a reason Greg lost his temper so quickly.
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Thanks for the transcription. Incredibly rude and unprofessional. How is that any way to treat a guest on the show
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On June 30 2012 13:13 HeeroFX wrote:
I feel bad for saying this, because I really like Team EG and all, and scoots always says to buy there stuff, so I do it. But in all honestly Idra, and incontrol were really rude. And frankly State of the Game is suppose to be the starcraft "NFL live" Now I am fine with a little banter, but honestly Avilo I feel bad bad for you, you brought up good points, but Idra and incontrol bashed you. And I hate to say this, but the show with QXC and catz talking about the game was actually the best episode in a long time. I am not saying lets hunt them down on a witch hunt. I just want a more respectful show. and Idra, even though you won't read this and don't give a damn, I just want to say Everyone is entitled to there opinion, but at the end of the day you don't need to hate on someone for saying the things they do. It's really simple...The idea of respect and I think we all need to have this idea in mind. And Jp, I really like what you do, but for god's sake man....be a host and control the quest speakers your job is to moderate.
It's okay! I LOVE EG as well! I follow a lot of them on Twitter, as well as JP! It's okay to be upset with some of the things that they do or say. That's another point of my article. You have to learn from these experiences and grow from them. I wish for SotG to lead the way in excellence and not be okay with mediocrity.
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The way I see it, avilo is a very mediocre player (and I use the word "mediocre" generously here - in the big picture, he's virtually a nobody) who is in a completely different league under IdrA or QXC. Not that I think IdrA or QXC are amazingly good, but they're certainly way better than avilo. And given that his skill is so relatively mediocre, I find it even sillier that he balance whines so much. Not to mention that his whining when Terran was strong certainly detracts from his credibility when he whines during Terran's weak period. And to top it all off, he takes it to the LR threads and has been temp banned for doing it so much. Furthermore, his points on SotG were weak, muddled in generalities and oversimplifications. I've also heard things about avilo being very BM on ladder and such. Not sure if those are true, but they usually do come hand-in-hand with heavy balance whining, so it's pretty likely.
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LOL there is a poll about Axe'img SotG and kicking a player off... LOLOLOLOL who thinks of these things. People realize this is a decision that ONLY JP could make... and do you really think he is going to give a damn about the whines and complaints of.... 16 people? LOLOL
I DEMAND THAT BARACK OBOMA STEP DOWN! We had a poll on the internet,,, and 200 people are not happy. WOOT now he wont be president anymore!
(i dont dislike obama just making an example/point)... making a poll with options that you cant provide is a waste of time.... maybe next time u should make a poll about people handing you free money.... option A: 100 dollars per person. Option B. 1000 dollars per person. Option C: you have to give me all of your money! if your going to make a dreamer poll which you think will give you power you don't have.. reach for more than creative control over a SC2 webshow.
on a side note... who is luckyfool? Why are people acting like everyone should know his name? I have followed since sc2 beta and dont know that name?
Also saying Avilo is on the same level as idra or qxc is insane... How many matches has he won in korea? or at mlg? or at dreamhack? or in the nasl? the list goes on and on....
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On June 30 2012 13:12 billiebrightside wrote:
Can someone link me to the spot where Avilo was in SOTG, please? I missed it :/
Can I post links to youtube videos here? Is that allowed? I'm sorry, I am not up-to-date on TL forum rules. Just go to youtube and search for state of the game episode 72 =)
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This entire issue is people just not knowing what a moron Avilo is. Even though he acted moronic during the show...
People in the SC community just REALLY like to be pissed off.
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On June 30 2012 13:43 HotGlueGun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 13:28 OneBaseKing wrote:
What did Avilo do previously? Did he do something that angered the SC2 community? He has been whining about balance since the beta (in the most annoying ways possible). When he plays IdrA on ladder he does stupid turtle builds just to waste IdrA's time (mass PF/tank in which he has no chance of whining but results in 40min game). He has been criticizing SotG and Incontrol recently in the TL Thread. People who do not closely follow NA scene/players may think he is some innocent player who did nothing deserve his treatment on SotG (not saying the SotG hosts were justified in their actions), but there is a reason Greg lost his temper so quickly.
This puts things in perspective.
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On June 30 2012 13:43 HotGlueGun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 13:28 OneBaseKing wrote:
What did Avilo do previously? Did he do something that angered the SC2 community? He has been whining about balance since the beta (in the most annoying ways possible). When he plays IdrA on ladder he does stupid turtle builds just to waste IdrA's time (mass PF/tank in which he has no chance of whining but results in 40min game). He has been criticizing SotG and Incontrol recently in the TL Thread. People who do not closely follow NA scene/players may think he is some innocent player who did nothing deserve his treatment on SotG (not saying the SotG hosts were justified in their actions), but there is a reason Greg lost his temper so quickly.
I'm not defending Avilo cause that's stupid crap but if I was IdrA, I'd just leave. 40 minutes is not worth beating someone who's just there to annoy you. As a pro-gamer, it's not like ladder rank is really that important at all
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most important question of this thread: who the fuck cares?
i'm sick of these witch hunts people try to start. people like the OP are only trying to stir up drama. let SOTG be what it is, if you don't like it, don't watch it. but coming on here trying to criticize teams for not being upright gentlemen is retarded. it's a fucking videogame.
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So, to everyone justifying how they treated Avilo on SotG with the fact that he has a reputation of whining about imbalance, should they not treat IdrA the same way?
I've heard IdrA whine about Protoss so many times, even when Zerg is actually widely considered to be stronger in the match-up than Protoss is. Does that make it alright to mock him like they mocked Avilo?
It's pretty despicable to treat a guest like that on ANY show. They could have been mature about it, brought him on, let him say his piece on TvZ/ZvT, politely tell him his time was up and then end the segment, giving a really unknown player a bit of a popularity boost as the same time as fostering discussion. Instead they bring him on the show, mock and harass him (as well as Luckyfool, another NA player with some good insight), then hang up on him. Very immature.
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Anyone who hasn't experienced Avilo's blatant BM, whining and idiocy (not just in SC2 but for many years in other RTS too) probably shares the view of the OP. I agree they should have handled it better but the fact that it's Avilo makes me not really give a shit. He's one of the few progamers who will regularly msg opponents after tournament matches to call them bad and accuse their race of being overpowered.
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On June 30 2012 13:13 yourteam wrote:
the crux of your post is built around this idea that at some earlier point in time SOTG was a better, more mannered show.
At no point in your post did I see any justification for this. The only decline related to SOTG have been the tournament results of its key players.
Not really...the crux of my post is to learn from experiences and to get better from them. I have listened to the past 30 or so episodes and never wrote about any of them. It's quite a shame that SOTG regulars can't seem to have steady results, though.
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