On June 30 2012 13:28 OneBaseKing wrote: What did Avilo do previously? Did he do something that angered the SC2 community?
He's known to be a TvZ/TvP whiner without any particularly amazing results.
edit: since I grabbed the next page I'll use this page to say that this thread is ridiculous. Not just the whole '1 bad example = SC COMMUNITY IS GOING BACKWARDS' but people that assume they somehow have the power to 'axe SOTG' or whatever. Jesus fucking christ have some common sense people.
On June 30 2012 13:03 Jaxtyk wrote: Stopped listening to incontrol when he said that Korean Terrans are doing well in the GSL Bad move from JP and what's even worse is when avilo is putting out a legitimate argument and they just snicker at him and cut him off. No respect at all and just rude.
Well... Terrans ARE doing well in GSL. There were more numbers of terrans in GSL Ro16 than protoss or zerg, All getting past Zergs that aren't pushovers, like curious or leenock.
On June 30 2012 13:09 OneBaseKing wrote: Why is idra so hostile towards avilo
Also around what time is when the tvz discussion comes in the vid?
I'm not really sure. Idra has been known to be like this at times. At a lot of times. The TvZ discussion is around the 30 minute mark, but then having Avilo come in around the 70 minute mark.
Idra has every right to dismiss everything avilo and luckyfool have to say for the simple fact that they don't play starcraft 2 at the highest level. No matter what counter arguments Idra makes here, avilo is going to argue that it can't be done, when in actuality it just can't be done BY HIM. I'm not sure why avilo even wanted to go on the show when it was quite obvious that they were making fun of him, and were not going to take him seriously.
On June 30 2012 13:28 OneBaseKing wrote: What did Avilo do previously? Did he do something that angered the SC2 community?
He's known to be a TvZ/TvP whiner without any particularly amazing results.
I dont know about Avilo so wondering why he is known as a whiner?
Eh, because he whines a ton in LR threads / reddit threads? Now mostly TvZ but usually TvP pre-patch. He's gotten temp banned from TL a few times for it as well I think.
I don't tune into SotG, so the transcript was enlightening. I didn't tune into SotG because last time I checked it had this behavior. Guess I won't be tuning in anytime soon.
This whole thing is fucking disgusting and I can't believe you put so much time and effort into something just because people on SoTG acted like human beings. You're right, SC Behavior is going backwards because instead of actually trying to act like mature thinking adults, there are idiots on this forum that feel the need to bash people and try to hurt the scene for any little reason you can think of. Being rude to people is so fucking small and irrelevant and literally no one in the world but you losers would give a fuck.
Want to know how a mainstream show would have handled that?
On June 30 2012 12:54 NotAPro wrote: SC2 pros turn out to be human. News at 11.
Also really unnecessary to drag this out of the SoTG thread.
What's unnecessary is your response. I think this incident is deserving of its own thread, particularly because the OP is discussing a trend in behavior and not the show specifically. Also, why should we have to dig through pages of an already huge thread to discuss a particular topic which, although relevant, is not entirely based upon the show itself. Oh, and your attempt at a joke was horrendous.
That being said, I think avilo's guest appearance was handled incredibly poorly. He raised strong, reasonable points and was constantly answered by disregard or ad hominem. He also showed respect to the show and its hosts and received none in return. I haven't been a fan of the show since its inception, but this certainly turned me off even further.
Thank you very much. I couldn't agree more with what you're saying. =)
On June 30 2012 13:12 chip789 wrote: No this is good for the community, Drama is entertaining. Entertaining = more viewers.
Any drama is good drama. This quote can't be more false. A lot of people who think that just because you're getting views, doesn't mean it's for the right reasons. I feel like SC needs to stick with being a model for ESports, not gaining popularity because of bad behavior.
Im not at all an Avilo fan. I've watched his stream sometimes cause he playes an intresting terran but he is a balancewhiner extraordinare and I just cant stand that.
That being said, his visit on the show was him being made fun of and that was completly uncalled for and unprofessional in a way that gets me to not want to watch the show. If your not going to take someone seriously and treat them respectfully dont invite them on the show. Atleast not unless they first behave poorly, something Avilo really didnt do.
It's their show, it garners viewers like everyone complaining in this thread, and if you don't like it, stop watching. There is no Esports internet stream commissioning board that is going to shut down SotG because of a spat like this. Nor would I want there to be one anyways. Idra is a thick, arrogant, BM guy, but at the end of the day he's one of SotG main members. The JP/Incontrol/Idra trio can do whatever the hell they want on their show. And to think, I thought the Esports witch hunt metaphor was an exaggeration.
On June 30 2012 13:28 OneBaseKing wrote: What did Avilo do previously? Did he do something that angered the SC2 community?
Not really, he just complains about balance alot in TvZ and TvP but I thnk complianing about TvZ now kinda fine since it kinda globally considered tha zerg "might" be a bit to strong. Weither this is true or not isnt confirmed yet/
Avilo was brought onto the show for comedic purposes. Though it was under the guise of a "balance discussion", I'm fairly certain that JP and Idra and everyone else knew that up front that nothing good was going to come from it.
QXC was there to represent the Terran viewpoint, not Avilo.
On June 30 2012 13:13 yourteam wrote: the crux of your post is built around this idea that at some earlier point in time SOTG was a better, more mannered show.
At no point in your post did I see any justification for this. The only decline related to SOTG have been the tournament results of its key players.
I disagree. It started going sour Q4 2011. It is why Day9 left.
I am beginning to think this show has run its course. Realtalk is pretty good and we have ITG. the Executives etc. We need new more mature personalities representing our community.
Should SotG continue as it is?
Poll: Should SotG be axed?
No, but Incontrol should depart (50)
40%
No, its the best SC show (41)
33%
Yes, the show has run its course (21)
17%
(7)
6%
(6)
5%
125 total votes
Your vote: Should SotG be axed?
(Vote): No, its the best SC show (Vote): Yes, the show has run its course (Vote): No, but Incontrol should depart (Vote): (Vote):
I think we have different ideas as to what SOTG is and what roles it is there to fufill. When I tune in to SOTG I just want to feel like I'm hanging out with "the guys" for a little while and laugh at their jokes. "Serious" content and in-depth analysis is good on top of the humour. Why can't "serious" content be discussed while making jokes?
So much of the hate on SOTG seems to stem from the idea that they prioritize silly jokes and stories over hard analysis, but that fine to me. In fact, I want them to prioritize it that way
On June 30 2012 13:37 TENTHST wrote: Avilo was brought onto the show for comedic purposes. Though it was under the guise of a "balance discussion", I'm fairly certain that JP and Idra and everyone else knew that up front that nothing good was going to come from it.
QXC was there to represent the Terran viewpoint, not Avilo.
Then they fucked up as it wasn't comedy but an attempt at humiliation
Well, not to say that the others handled it well, but Avilo himself did by far the rudest thing on the show. He put words in Idra’s mouth and kept insisting after Idra made clear that wasn’t what he meant. Twice. After that, I could easily imagine backstory that justified how they treated him to some extent, even if I haven’t seen any of it.
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