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yourteam
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States40 Posts
June 30 2012 04:13 GMT
#21
the crux of your post is built around this idea that at some earlier point in time SOTG was a better, more mannered show.

At no point in your post did I see any justification for this. The only decline related to SOTG have been the tournament results of its key players.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
June 30 2012 04:13 GMT
#22
I am disguted by how rude they were toward Avilo.
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
June 30 2012 04:16 GMT
#23
Disrespect isn't that bad of a thing as you might subject, I think. You can't like or respect everyone. It was unprofessional, yes, but not at a dramatic point.
SOTG isn't the news nor is it mainstream at all. There's not a lot restraining Idra to not say ''shut the fuck up'' to someone you hate that cuts you off when talking (taking his perspective on what happened), besides maybe sponsors, but even then. Idra just really dislikes Avilo, it's just how it is, it was destined to be explosive. The decision to call Avilo knowing all this was worse than the result.

This to me is just the usual e-sports drama.
AngryFarmer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
June 30 2012 04:18 GMT
#24
Thx for the transcript. I didn't watch the show so I couldn't properly judge their behaviors but after reading I think it was a bit unfair to Avilo. I feel like they invited him on the show but didn't actually want to listen to any of his input. I also feel like the group had too much pro Idra bias so whatever his anger resulted in the other members following along. It wasn't really a discussion at that point
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
June 30 2012 04:18 GMT
#25
I really need to stop posting on these forums, you people seem to do nothing but create drama and talk shit about people for all kinds of reasons O_o.
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PlacidPanda
Profile Joined September 2011
United States246 Posts
June 30 2012 04:18 GMT
#26
Mind you, i have no love for Avilo, i love Geoff, and I love Sotg. I even enjoy IdrA from time to time, but this was reminiscent of an O'Reilly interview, if you want to be considered the most important podcast in starcraft 2, you have to uphold some professionalism, try to remain unbiased, i dont care if you badmouth him before or after, but in the pseudo interview you have to respect everyone so your VIEWERS can decide for themselves.
Hope SotG apologizes or something, because it was a bit immature.
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-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 04:20:07
June 30 2012 04:19 GMT
#27
Avilo is known as a generic mediocre Terran who complains all day about P/Z. Why is it a surprise that iNcontroL, who probably prides himself in not complaining about balance on such an extreme degree, treats him as he did?

You also forget SOTG is in part a comedy show, and making fun of someone who is a balance-whiner WHILE he is complaining about balance is actually quite funny. You know, just how iNc makes fun of Artosis? yeah, they do that sometimes. Settle the fk down IMO.
rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
June 30 2012 04:20 GMT
#28
From the parts I skimmed (it was long ok?) It seems like you are angry at SOTG for being unprofessional and rude to Avilo. I think that was the whole reason Avilo was brought on: IdrA and Avilo having a uncivilized argument for the entertainment factor first and to inform second. This is fine to me. Professionalism has it's place in SC2 but it's quite frankly boring to have it all of the time and drama is delicious
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HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
June 30 2012 04:20 GMT
#29
On June 30 2012 13:16 MetalPanda wrote:
Disrespect isn't that bad of a thing as you might subject, I think. You can't like or respect everyone. It was unprofessional, yes, but not at a dramatic point.
SOTG isn't the news nor is it mainstream at all. There's not a lot restraining Idra to not say ''shut the fuck up'' to someone you hate that cuts you off when talking (taking his perspective on what happened), besides maybe sponsors, but even then. Idra just really dislikes Avilo, it's just how it is, it was destined to be explosive. The decision to call Avilo knowing all this was worse than the result.

This to me is just the usual e-sports drama.



Yeah but SOTG is like "NFL live" of starcraft 2. What I am saying is it is one of the most watched shows about gaming, and they should be a leader. Granted the show has like no major sponsers and all, but I feel like the hosts disrespected the guy for no reason. JP should have been a better moderator.
Ireniicus
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom374 Posts
June 30 2012 04:20 GMT
#30
On June 30 2012 13:13 yourteam wrote:
the crux of your post is built around this idea that at some earlier point in time SOTG was a better, more mannered show.

At no point in your post did I see any justification for this. The only decline related to SOTG have been the tournament results of its key players.


I disagree. It started going sour Q4 2011. It is why Day9 left.

I am beginning to think this show has run its course. Realtalk is pretty good and we have ITG. the Executives etc. We need new more mature personalities representing our community.

Should SotG continue as it is?


Poll: Should SotG be axed?

No, but Incontrol should depart (50)
 
40%

No, its the best SC show (41)
 
33%

Yes, the show has run its course (21)
 
17%

(7)
 
6%

(6)
 
5%

125 total votes

Your vote: Should SotG be axed?

(Vote): No, its the best SC show
(Vote): Yes, the show has run its course
(Vote): No, but Incontrol should depart
(Vote):
(Vote):


fraktoasters
Profile Joined January 2011
United States617 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 04:23:49
June 30 2012 04:21 GMT
#31
Why is SC2 the community that feels like they should nit pick every little thing that isn't perfect?


On June 30 2012 13:20 Ireniicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 13:13 yourteam wrote:
the crux of your post is built around this idea that at some earlier point in time SOTG was a better, more mannered show.

At no point in your post did I see any justification for this. The only decline related to SOTG have been the tournament results of its key players.


I disagree. It started going sour Q4 2011. It is why Day9 left.

I am beginning to think this show has run its course. Realtalk is pretty good and we have ITG. the Executives etc. We need new more mature personalities representing our community.

Should SotG continue as it is?

...


Wow are you fucking serious? I guess the pitchforks are officially out.
gundream
Profile Joined April 2010
United States229 Posts
June 30 2012 04:21 GMT
#32
For the record, yes, I only skimmed your article. But is this really necessary? I think the way this community responds to certain issues is rather stupid and mostly all just big overreactions that don't help the issue. If you arent going to be part of the solution, then don't become a part of the problem. Bringing more attention to the issue is stupid and quite frankly any adult in the "real world" would probably think that trying to call this out is ...stupid. They would probably just say, "Get over it and shut the fuck up."

But that is just my opinion and what I think when I see this type of article come up, because really we aren't the government and we aren't in church kids.
rkffhk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 04:27:17
June 30 2012 04:24 GMT
#33
Outstanding thread. I'm very happy that you put forth the effort to make this and I'm really happy that I don't watch that show.

I think Avilo got shafted hard and I'm pissed at everyone there who wasn't fair to him.

QXC got a shit ton of more respect from me out of this, but I kind of wish that he had left the show as well after Avilo was removed in protest of the shit that just went down. I can't blame him for being quiet about it, though.
"Did not realize gold was such an important threshold for people, I guess I honestly take it for granted that if people practice / invest enough time into this game then they would make diamond in no time." ~Caihead
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
June 30 2012 04:25 GMT
#34
On June 30 2012 13:08 NotAPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 13:05 Oiseaux wrote:
I agree this belongs in the SotG thread, not it's own thread...

...but I also agree with what you're saying. I'm not even a fan of Avilo, but I still didn't find it appropriate to essentially bring him on just to try to make a joke of him under the pretense of trying to have a serious conversation.

(Like in the same way Mia Rose was brought on during the drunk episode and Incontrol simply just let loose with really inappropriate sex worker jokes. Great way to turn an amazing episode into just a jumble of awkward awfulness Incontrol).

Avilo asked to be on the show and the fans asked for it (because they knew this would happen).


So it's ok for them to lower themselves to the jackass masses? (answer: no)
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
Rhyinn
Profile Joined June 2012
United States51 Posts
June 30 2012 04:26 GMT
#35
On June 30 2012 13:05 Oiseaux wrote:
I agree this belongs in the SotG thread, not it's own thread...

...but I also agree with what you're saying. I'm not even a fan of Avilo, but I still didn't find it appropriate to essentially bring him on just to try to make a joke of him under the pretense of trying to have a serious conversation.

(Like in the same way Mia Rose was brought on during the drunk episode and Incontrol simply just let loose with really inappropriate sex worker jokes. Great way to turn an amazing episode into just a jumble of awkward awfulness Incontrol).


Sorry, I didn't know there was a SotG thread. I am not new to SC...only TL =(

The drunk episode, except for the Mia Rose part, was amazing! But you're right, then they totally ruin it with inappropriate jokes and self-demeaning behavior.
shinyA
Profile Joined November 2008
United States473 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 04:27:33
June 30 2012 04:26 GMT
#36
nvm
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Aulisemia
Profile Joined August 2011
United States123 Posts
June 30 2012 04:27 GMT
#37
Disrespecting someone who comes on your show is quite unprofessional. As people have said, they could have at the very least ended the conversation better by cutting Avilo off and thanking him for coming on.

I give props to QXC for acting reasonably professionally, but it was a bit disheartening to see Incontrol and Idra acting like a couple of sophmores teasing a freshman. SotG has and will always be a very narrow slice of the SC2 scene. It's completely dominated by their regulars and if you aren't from that circle your opinion doesn't really matter to them. I imagine it's like trying to interview with Fox News, the information is so tightly controlled and they have no problems dumping all over you to get a reaction before they cut you off.
The ponciest ponce that ever ponced past a poncing palour.
OneBaseKing
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Afghanistan412 Posts
June 30 2012 04:28 GMT
#38
What did Avilo do previously? Did he do something that angered the SC2 community?
rkffhk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 04:29:15
June 30 2012 04:28 GMT
#39
On June 30 2012 13:27 Aulisemia wrote:
I imagine it's like trying to interview with Fox News, the information is so tightly controlled and they have no problems dumping all over you to get a reaction before they cut you off.


You said it.

SOTG : Staracraft community :: FOX News : American people


(and this is totally an exaggeration, though it still is pretty bad)
"Did not realize gold was such an important threshold for people, I guess I honestly take it for granted that if people practice / invest enough time into this game then they would make diamond in no time." ~Caihead
Rhyinn
Profile Joined June 2012
United States51 Posts
June 30 2012 04:30 GMT
#40
On June 30 2012 13:08 Kluey wrote:
New blood in the scene has no background on players like Avilo. Also, one SotG doesn't represent all of SC behaviour. This post is full of shit accusations.


I didn't need background on Avilo for this post. The fact that he wasn't given any respect off the start of the interview doesn't look good at all. I also never said that SotG represents all SC behavior. Also, I didn't accuse anyone of anything, except being disrespectful to someone that I thought didn't deserve it.
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