Flash reported practicing and enjoying sc2 - Page 50

On April 27 2012 06:17 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
If flash starts streaming, he will be very rich man

On April 27 2012 06:21 lavit2099 wrote:
I'm confused, why is BW pros possibly coming to SC2 such a big deal? Isn't there quite a few older BW pros that play SC2 that aren't doing the greatest? Is everyone expecting them to come in and completely own a game when they're a year behind the curve?

On April 27 2012 06:11 Kich wrote:
I don't really see how anyone can say that SC2 is far more about decision making and micro than it is mechanics, fundamentally most of the players don't even have that great of mechanics. There's maybe a few zergs, literally probably between 1-2 of them who can actually maintain as many creep tumors as they have out and spread appropriately. Same with protoss chrono-boost. Terrans are a bit easier in that mules are brain-dead but they have some degree of complexity insofar as worker management I guess.

I'm excited for BW Pros to move over, I've watched some, and it's truly intimidating the level that they play at. What I'm hoping for, in terms of SC2's progression, is to see people who are actually mechanical, tactical, strategic gods who can show us things about the game that we didn't even know were possible. Maybe a protoss who's actually capable of spending virtually all of their chrono boost at all times to produce a powerful timing attack that was otherwise impossible.

I see pros still today who can't spend their money properly or their build simply doesn't necessitate gas (terran bio play) and they get these multi-thousand gas banks early on in the game. This screams to me that there's something wrong with the way people are macro'ing today. There's so many improvements that could be made, and it's something that BW Pros could bring out.

Even in regards to micro, I've read here and there about how, from the outside the game is blob your army and 1a at your opponent's base. This is actually to some degree true, but slowly we're seeing a shift from boxing and throwing armies to more intricate unit control. These are things that likely occurred in the early brood war days (though I've no actual experience to base that on, my assumption is that people didn't play like Flash plays right now when the game became a sport) as well. However, now we're slowly seeing innovation, we're seeing unit movements that people haven't ever tried before--I believe it was Parting(?) who showed off impressive high-templar flanking, completely blanketing people's armies in storms.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Brood War seems to be a game more about a series of smaller engagements, and the bigger engagements that occur are rather intense from their magnitude. It seems to be more conflict driven than SC2. I think this has more to do with the age of the game, people are entirely aware of what a unit can do, and this is something not completely evident in SC2 yet. People are slowly moving towards it, but we aren't there yet. I also think this has something to do with the game size in a very literal way. You're at a more narrow angle towards the ground and are zoomed closer in in Brood War. As a general statement, you can actually see more of the screen in SC2 both from it being a widescreen game and being further away so engagements actually end up appearing smaller than they are.

So I'm curious, to the BW fans, if BW pros were to move over, do you think they could make SC2 into something you would enjoy watching? A common complaint seems to be that SC2 is just too simple of a game, to which my opinion is that the game is far from simple--people are just very bad at playing it (for reasons I've briefly mentioned earlier). My opinion would be that BW Pros are good enough to break down whatever people thought of SC2 and blow everyone's fucking minds, and I'm really hoping that's the case.

I apologize for SC2 fans being instigators in this thread, it's unwarranted and people would be wise to remember that we are gamers--our passions die hard, regardless of genre. People should have the forethought to realize what they're saying, in the sense that if someone were to be rude to the games that defined their own past would be met with similar defensiveness.

On April 27 2012 06:23 Kiett wrote:

He already is a really rich man. 300 grand a year for his salary, plus the prize money for 6 individual league titles, with many more to come. Streaming is chump change compared to that.

On April 27 2012 06:17 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
If flash starts streaming, he will be very rich man

On April 27 2012 06:25 Serpico wrote:

Ex brood war players are some of the ones that have won the most....

On April 27 2012 06:25 Serpico wrote:

Ex brood war players are some of the ones that have won the most....

On April 27 2012 06:27 Gosi wrote:

Flash and all the KeSPA teams except Team 8 are very rich already and the players are getting an healthy paycheck every month so they don't need to expose themselfs by streaming to earn money like most sc2 players are doing now. They are also playing inhouse practice games for most of the time and they wouldn't be allowed to stream that anyway. And even if they would play around on ladder I don't think KeSPA would allow their players to stream tbh. They don't even release replays or fpvods from their tournaments as of right now. Maybe they will change, maybe not.

On April 27 2012 06:21 lavit2099 wrote:
I'm confused, why is BW pros possibly coming to SC2 such a big deal? Isn't there quite a few older BW pros that play SC2 that aren't doing the greatest? Is everyone expecting them to come in and completely own a game when they're a year behind the curve?

On April 27 2012 05:09 Flonomenalz wrote:

You benefit just as much from having higher APM in BW as you do in SC2. That benefit being not THAT much. Flash actually doesn't have THAT high APM (I believe he averages around 230? someone correct me here), yet is by far the best BW player.

On April 27 2012 06:29 fraktoasters wrote:


Yes we know that everyone in Korea played BW. He's more talking about ForGG and Hyun.

On April 27 2012 06:29 fraktoasters wrote:


Yes we know that everyone in Korea played BW. He's more talking about ForGG and Hyun.

On April 27 2012 06:05 arb wrote:

You're implying im actually trolling.

We don't call Flash God for no reason.

On April 27 2012 06:05 arb wrote:

You're implying im actually trolling.

We don't call Flash God for no reason.

On April 27 2012 06:44 Azarkon wrote:
Won't know till he switches. ForGG and Hyun haven't been performing well, but MVP did - you never know. Going by MVP, the transition to SC 2 TvZ and TvT is going to be easy for Flash, whereas TvP is going to be a pain, but again you never know.