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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On April 27 2012 04:38 Kilby wrote: I hope that is true and it will be interesting to see how much of that he can actually do if he really switches. I generally like the fact that in SC2 you cannot gain as much advantage over your opponent as in BW by simply being able to click buttons faster than him. It really isn't just clicking buttons faster to get an advantage..You should really be careful what you say if you don't know what you are talking about. That is all i'm going to say because i don't want to get in trouble. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
But i'm happy he will be sticking to Terran. | ||
mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On April 27 2012 00:34 Ramanujan wrote: That's not what he said at all. He said if Flash doesn't dominate everyone within 6 months that means SC2 is too easy to play. If he does dominate, everything is okay. That in itself might look silly to you, because it's kinda biased towards Flash, but that's because you have different premises. He feels more secure in Flash's skills than he does about SC2's gameplay, so if Flash doesn't dominate then his premise that "Flash is the god of RTS" shouldn't change, but SC2's place as a worthy successor of BW should. Personally I don't think it's really fair towards either Flash or SC2 to conclude such a thing from one observation (that Flash does or does not dominate). FlasH being FlasH isn't what made him so good at BW. FlasH practicing 24 hours a day since he was 14 made him good at BW. If he does the same thing in SC2 with the same drive and ethic, he will and should conquer SC2. If he does what Yellow did and just kinda mess about here and there, then even 20 years won't put him on track with the people that play 14+ hours a day. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
God's came to play. | ||
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Sturladur
Denmark8 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On April 27 2012 04:38 Kilby wrote: I hope that is true and it will be interesting to see how much of that he can actually do if he really switches. I generally like the fact that in SC2 you cannot gain as much advantage over your opponent as in BW by simply being able to click buttons faster than him. I like that fact too and is something I argue with my bw friend all the time. A lot of the "skill" in bw is artificial and comes from mastering the outdated and archaic UI, which takes rote practice to master. Therefore, you could have players with superior decision making and smarts in bw than others, but they just don't have the mechanics to keep up with their brilliant tactical mind. SC 2 will allow those players to shine more than those who just relied on rote mechanics. I just don't like how mastering an outdated UI is considered some legendary type of skill. Yes, it takes skill, but is not the kind of skill I would acknowledge as making someone better than others. To me the kind of skill I want to see is micro, multitasking, decision making, tactics etc and not who can master the bad UI the best. If someone were to design a UI that is completely awful on purpose and not intuitive at all, would you guys consider those who mastered it skillful or would you just consider it a handicap that doesn't necessarily allow the better players at the game itself to shine through? The bw UI wasn't designed bad on purpose, but was just a sign of the times back then and the steep learning curve of it just has the potential to hold back better players than mechanical robots. It's why I like the sc2 system a lot better as most of the time the truly best players will shine through. Yes, the better player has more potential to be cheesed out in sc2 in a bo3, but their overall career will look better than the cheeser. Though I do admit, sc2 could use more micro changes to differentiate micro skills of the very top players. | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On April 27 2012 04:54 Kamikiri wrote: It really isn't just clicking buttons faster to get an advantage..You should really be careful what you say if you don't know what you are talking about. That is all i'm going to say because i don't want to get in trouble. Of course. But what I meant was that in BW you had to do a lot more stuff manually when macroing so having faster fingers than your opponent was more beneficial in BW than it is in SC2. That's all. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On April 27 2012 05:05 Kilby wrote: Of course. But what I meant was that in BW you had to do a lot more stuff manually when macroing so having faster fingers than your opponent was more beneficial in BW than it is in SC2. That's all. You benefit just as much from having higher APM in BW as you do in SC2. That benefit being not THAT much. Flash actually doesn't have THAT high APM (I believe he averages around 230? someone correct me here), yet is by far the best BW player. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On April 27 2012 05:03 Canucklehead wrote: I like that fact too and is something I argue with my bw friend all the time. A lot of the "skill" in bw is artificial and comes from mastering the outdated and archaic UI, which takes rote practice to master. Therefore, you could have players with superior decision making and smarts in bw than others, but they just don't have the mechanics to keep up with their brilliant tactical mind. SC 2 will allow those players to shine more than those who just relied on rote mechanics. I just don't like how mastering an outdated UI is considered some legendary type of skill. Yes, it takes skill, but is not the kind of skill I would acknowledge as making someone better than others. To me the kind of skill I want to see is micro, multi tasking, decision making, tactis etc and not who can master the bad UI the best. i dont understand this argument fully. biggest factor to me it seems like the unlimited unit selection. lack of mbs in bw works just similar to how warpgates work in sc2. smartcast is another big factor and its amazing what pros can do, i have NEVER been impressed with spell casting in sc2. everything else is no different, sending worker to mine is minimal effort. bw players can multitask just like any sc2 players can, why do people say "you're fighting UI"???? i fucking do not understand this shit. sc2 is more convenient with more queue commands, health bars, and whatnot but i never ever thought of "fighting UI" while i was playing bw. i can't help but think those who complain about bw do so without much bw experience. one does not gain advantage for clicking buttons faster, comparing APM throughout all the players proves this nonsense. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On April 27 2012 05:05 Kilby wrote: Of course. But what I meant was that in BW you had to do a lot more stuff manually when macroing so having faster fingers than your opponent was more beneficial in BW than it is in SC2. That's all. Having faster fingers is a gross oversimplification, being efficient is still incredibly important. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On April 27 2012 05:00 mprs wrote: FlasH being FlasH isn't what made him so good at BW. FlasH practicing 24 hours a day since he was 14 made him good at BW. If he does the same thing in SC2 with the same drive and ethic, he will and should conquer SC2. If he does what Yellow did and just kinda mess about here and there, then even 20 years won't put him on track with the people that play 14+ hours a day. Practice sure played a big role in making Flash into Flash, but you can't disregard a talent which transcends what the RTS genre has ever seen - I, too, am more certain about Flash's qualities than SC2's. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
On April 27 2012 05:03 Canucklehead wrote: I like that fact too and is something I argue with my bw friend all the time. A lot of the "skill" in bw is artificial and comes from mastering the outdated and archaic UI, which takes rote practice to master. Therefore, you could have players with superior decision making and smarts in bw than others, but they just don't have the mechanics to keep up with their brilliant tactical mind. SC 2 will allow those players to shine more than those who just relied on rote mechanics. This is so bullcrap. So iloveoov, savior, bisu, made names for themselves through artificial skill from mastering the UI? Funny, I thought it was because they revolutionized the metagame repeatedly with genius decision making and smarts. What have you seen in SC2 so far that indicates to you that SC2 is more about decision making than rote mechanics? Because I see more players winning with just being better mechanically than their opponents (i.e. MKP, MVP, DRG, Nestea, MC, MMA) than players winning with better decision making. | ||
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lolboi222
South Africa44 Posts
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megapants
United States1314 Posts
On April 27 2012 05:09 Serpico wrote: Having faster fingers is a gross oversimplification, being efficient is still incredibly important. i agree with this statement, as the best players are very efficient with their keyboard strokes and mouse clicks. watching players like polt and marinking stream their fpvods when they're just goofing off on ladder they already have 10x more efficiency than we've seen from even top level international players. if you've ever watched fpvods of bw players, even just those glimpses of fpview during a tournament game, you can see how vastly superior players like flash were at being efficient with their actions and screen time. the fact of the matter is that flash is the type of player who can base everything his opponent's doing off of ridiculously little amounts of information. he and other top notch bw pros are able to dictate how the game is going and how it will go in ways that even the best foreigners could likely never comprehend. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On April 27 2012 05:14 Flonomenalz wrote: This is so bullcrap. So iloveoov, savior, bisu, made names for themselves through artificial skill from mastering the UI? Funny, I thought it was because they revolutionized the metagame repeatedly with genius decision making and smarts. No, the very top players like bisu, flash etc will still shine regardless in bw. I'm talking about the b-teamers or unknowns who could be better than the A-teamers if not for the UI. Sc2 will remove this handicap, which is what I'm looking forward to. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On April 27 2012 05:15 lolboi222 wrote: Lots of bw hearts are gonna break when MKP walks over flash :p~~ Yeah, that's never gonna happen | ||
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Kilby
Finland1069 Posts
On April 27 2012 05:09 Flonomenalz wrote: You benefit just as much from having higher APM in BW as you do in SC2. That benefit being not THAT much. Flash actually doesn't have THAT high APM (I believe he averages around 230? someone correct me here), yet is by far the best BW player. Cool. That tells me that the strong points of Flash might actually translate very well to SC2 as well. Should be interesting to see what he can do.  | ||
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Titorelli
2492 Posts
And about Flash.... this just reminds me of one of the best moments on SotG: When Artosis said "I know what needs to happen to the Factory.. Flash needs to happen to the Factory. When this guy switches over, no one will remember the marauder anymore" :D | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
^^ There is a candidate for the broken heart | ||
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