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On April 27 2012 01:56 sCuMBaG wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 01:51 rea1ity wrote:On April 27 2012 01:41 SupLilSon wrote:On April 27 2012 01:19 Demonhunter04 wrote:On April 27 2012 01:15 Shiori wrote:On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
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Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so. I was trolling. Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player. You don't know how good Korean BW pros are. To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively. Of all Sc2 players to point to, you pick Stephano? Lol. He wins because of his strats, not because of his mechanics. That doesn't mean he has bad mechanics. I was just responding to them, they were the ones who brought up Stephano. On April 27 2012 01:15 Forikorder wrote:On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
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Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so. I was trolling. Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player. You don't know how good Korean BW pros are. To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively. ya you dont know flash flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics. Is this guy serious? Flash would beat most current pro gamers with just marines. No medivac, no upgrade, no nothing. EZPZ. Stephano is no exception. And before you go on anymore, no, Stephano's mechanics are leagues below Flash's. The only way someone like Stephano could beat Flash was if the game was made so easy that Flash's skill had no use. SC2 is easy, but not that easy. Just no. There are three types of people in this thread: Flash fanboys - Flash will destroy every pro in SC2 cause he's the sickest eva and i want his babies omg flash so pro i cant wait till he crushes everyone total bonjwa with marines :D :D:D:D BW Players - Meh, Flash might not be the best now, but our game is far superior to yours and he will be Bonjwa eventually, your opinion is invalid, because we play Brood War. (See: Snob) SC2 Players - Flash will still be brilliant at SC2 right now, but will be right up there when he practices a lot. It's going to be fun. There is only one party that has it right there... you can't possibly know that^^ he might actually be way too godly for everyone, who knows. but a "I'm right" attidude, no matter how exaggerated the other party's argument is, won't make your point. I wanna see Stephano in code S first. But as I've said. Flash plays because its his destiny, Stephano plays because he's good, but more importantly because he makes loads of money. Flash will practice for 14 hours a day until he is confident in his play. Stephano will play 4-6 hours a day, as long as he wants to. Whether or not Flash is godly right away or will get to the top thorugh practice and dedication actually doesn't matter to me. What matter is, that no matter which way, he will definitely end up being better than Stephano.
the only way any pro will keep up to the BW pros is by practicing as hard as they do, stephano will either try that and get a wrist injury and jsut leave the scene or wont practice as hard and get rolled
with stephanos mentality theres no way he can be the best of the best with such a half assed attitude
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I really think it's as simple as no one knows exactly how (if at all) dominant Flash will be. Arguing about something that has yet to happen seems silly to me.
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On April 27 2012 01:51 rea1ity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 01:41 SupLilSon wrote:On April 27 2012 01:19 Demonhunter04 wrote:On April 27 2012 01:15 Shiori wrote:On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote:
Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so. I was trolling. Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player. You don't know how good Korean BW pros are. To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively. Of all Sc2 players to point to, you pick Stephano? Lol. He wins because of his strats, not because of his mechanics. That doesn't mean he has bad mechanics. I was just responding to them, they were the ones who brought up Stephano. On April 27 2012 01:15 Forikorder wrote:On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote:
Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so. I was trolling. Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player. You don't know how good Korean BW pros are. To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively. ya you dont know flash flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics. Is this guy serious? Flash would beat most current pro gamers with just marines. No medivac, no upgrade, no nothing. EZPZ. Stephano is no exception. And before you go on anymore, no, Stephano's mechanics are leagues below Flash's. The only way someone like Stephano could beat Flash was if the game was made so easy that Flash's skill had no use. SC2 is easy, but not that easy. Just no. There are three types of people in this thread: Flash fanboys - Flash will destroy every pro in SC2 cause he's the sickest eva and i want his babies omg flash so pro i cant wait till he crushes everyone total bonjwa with marines :D :D:D:D BW Players - Meh, Flash might not be the best now, but our game is far superior to yours and he will be Bonjwa eventually, your opinion is invalid, because we play Brood War. (See: Snob) SC2 Players - Flash will still be brilliant at SC2 right now, but will be right up there when he practices a lot. It's going to be fun. There is only one party that has it right there...
And it's the Flash fanboys. Obviously.
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On April 27 2012 02:00 Holytornados wrote:
I really think it's as simple as no one knows exactly how (if at all) dominant Flash will be. Arguing about something that has yet to happen seems silly to me.
Welcome to the internet.
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On April 27 2012 01:58 Nihilnovi wrote:
People forget that BW bonjwas have already switched and they have been good, but not great, imo =)
if you're talking about boxer and july, they were way out of their prime when they switched.
and I still see nestea, mc and mvp as an example how good "abouve average" BW is in SC2.
still, after such a long time we have SC2 now, where someone comes from doesn't really matter anymore.
WC3, Shooter, WoW... as long as someone has the talent and puts a lot of effort into it, they will most likely succeed.
On April 27 2012 02:00 Recognizable wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote:
Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so. I was trolling. Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player. You don't know how good Korean BW pros are. This has to be the most ignorant thing to say. It will take Flash atleast half a year of fulltime practice to catch up to Stephano and that is being very generous. This game is completely different.
no.. it would take stephano that long to catch up to pros if he was in flash's shoes.
Flash on the other hand practices for 10-16hours a day, which is about 3-4times what stephano does. He should catch up in 2 months max 
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I highly doubt any BW pros are going to dominate if they're splitting up their time between SC2 and BW like they will be in the mixed Proleague. Seriously, that's completely retarded, I thought they were gonna have some of their players play SC2 and some play BW, not have the same players try to play both at a high level.
If/when they switch over to full-time SC2 it's lights out for foreigners, though.
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On April 27 2012 02:01 Hinanawi wrote:
I highly doubt any BW pros are going to dominate if they're splitting up their time between SC2 and BW like they will be in the mixed Proleague. Seriously, that's completely retarded, I thought they were gonna have some of their players play SC2 and some play BW, not have the same players try to play both at a high level.
If/when they switch over to full-time SC2 it's lights out for foreigners, though.
from what ive heard, the next season will have both then the one after will be SC2 only
wether that will work that way is unkown
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what is the average number of game flash plays every day ?
Just curious 
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On April 27 2012 01:56 sCuMBaG wrote:
...no matter which way, [Flash] will definitely end up being better than Stephano.
BAH AHAHHAHAH
Being the fastest track runner doesn't guarantee he can run the football.
Edit: ...American football (running back), that is.
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On April 27 2012 02:03 algue wrote:what is the average number of game flash plays every day ? Just curious
I've heard it is about 60 ; )
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I think it's going to be hilarious when Flash finally debuts in sc2, plays great but definitely mortal, and people will say "see he's not god in sc2." Maybe even lose as series!
Then he comes back a month or two later and completely dominates. His work ethic, skill, and intelligence really is that high.
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On April 27 2012 02:04 Sandster wrote:
I think it's going to be hilarious when Flash finally debuts in sc2, plays great but definitely mortal, and people will say "see he's not god in sc2." Maybe even lose as series!
Then he comes back a month or two later and completely dominates. His work ethic, skill, and intelligence really is that high.
I hope it will go like that. I want to see him dominate a bit.
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On April 27 2012 02:03 ImGonnaRideYou wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 01:56 sCuMBaG wrote:
...no matter which way, [Flash] will definitely end up being better than Stephano.
BAH AHAHHAHAH Being the fastest track runner doesn't guarantee he can run the football.
that's quite a bad metaphor.
he doesn't need to develop speed, multitask, macroing ability or strategic thinking.
you could maybe compare it to an 11-a-side football player switching to 5-a-side football.
and I bet you messi would still own the shit out of 5-a-side
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On April 26 2012 17:39 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 17:38 iky43210 wrote:
pylon warp in was the dumbest idea in the game, right next to colossus . All those two units did just make protoss more all-in happy Sentry is still one of the worst offenders in the history of all RTS imo.
Agreed. As soon as I saw that unit my jaw dropped. Map-makers are supposed to make the maps, but now, any protoss player with sentries gets to make the map. Likewise with the warp-in. Don't like the size of the map? Don't worry, you won't have to traverse it. You can skip it!
I love sc2, it just makes me embarrassed when I know the progamers are coming and things like this are what we have to show.
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On April 27 2012 02:04 Sandster wrote:
I think it's going to be hilarious when Flash finally debuts in sc2, plays great but definitely mortal, and people will say "see he's not god in sc2." Maybe even lose as series!
Then he comes back a month or two later and completely dominates.
On League of Legends?
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On April 27 2012 01:58 Nihilnovi wrote:
Meh, I really don't think SC2 allows for such big skill gaps like in BW where mechanics are less forgiving and increase the gap based on pure mechanical skill, at which Flash is a monster.
But I really don't think that we will see any "one" player dominate for an extended period of time in SC2, ever, due to how much "easier" it is to play at say 80%(totally made up number, but you get my point) of perfection in this game compared to BW, which imo has both advantages and disadvantages.
People forget that BW bonjwas have already switched and they have been good, but not great, imo =)
Those bonjwas are far past their peak. Anyway, something else that people overlook is that the bonjwas gained their huge advantage by inventing something brand new and executing it better than others. SC2 players had BW as a reference point for how to quickly become good at the game, so things like micro and macro were already well understood. Players are unlikely to figure out some cool trick that wasn't already invented in BW. Builds are also easier to dissect and defeat than before thanks to replays, and since SC2 tournament games are played more frequently, a build's lifespan (during which players don't understand how to deal with it) is shorter since it gets more exposure.
So....a player who could have been dominant for a full year or so will only dominate for some months.
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On April 27 2012 02:03 ImGonnaRideYou wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 01:56 sCuMBaG wrote:
...no matter which way, [Flash] will definitely end up being better than Stephano.
BAH AHAHHAHAH Being the fastest track runner doesn't guarantee he can run the football. Edit: ...American football (running back), that is.
but being flash guarantees he will be best at anything
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I love how the OP is clear to point out that he "enjoys" SC2, as is there was some doubt that he could. Like there was some way that he would not enjoy it or that he was so in love with BW that he would be unable to enjoy SC2. Or that he was being forced to play it for some reason and he secretly loathed the game and silently sobbed himself to sleep each night.
I have no idea how good the BW players are going to be when they hit the SC2 scene. I assume very, very good.
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On April 27 2012 02:07 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 17:39 Talin wrote:On April 26 2012 17:38 iky43210 wrote:
pylon warp in was the dumbest idea in the game, right next to colossus . All those two units did just make protoss more all-in happy Sentry is still one of the worst offenders in the history of all RTS imo. Agreed. As soon as I saw that unit my jaw dropped. Map-makers are supposed to make the maps, but now, any protoss player with sentries gets to make the map. Likewise with the warp-in. Don't like the size of the map? Don't worry, you won't have to traverse it. You can skip it! I love sc2, it just makes me embarrassed when I know the progamers are coming and things like this are what we have to show.
imo warpgates should take slightly longer to warp in the farther they are from the pylon (but not affect the actual cooldown on the warpgate so can warp in same amount of units but not as fast) that way those toss timings are weaker but doesnt affect there macro
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On April 27 2012 02:07 ImGonnaRideYou wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 02:04 Sandster wrote:
I think it's going to be hilarious when Flash finally debuts in sc2, plays great but definitely mortal, and people will say "see he's not god in sc2." Maybe even lose as series!
Then he comes back a month or two later and completely dominates. On League of Legends?
Believe it or not, it's possible to be a fan of both bw and sc2. Flash is known for his impeccable work ethic and sheer intelligence.
How will he do in his first televised game of sc2? I don't know. I think ForGG's early games would be a decent indicator - Flash's debut will be strong but there will be definite holes in his play.
The difference between Flash and ForGG is that, 2 months after they debut, Flash's work ethic and natural skill and intelligence will allow him to improve faster than almost any other human alive. So my point is that his transformation in that time will be jaw-dropping.
I don't know why you feel the need to insult me on that.
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