On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
ya you dont know flash
flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy
He would practice that much per day and still not learn what the units do? Kid must be retarded.
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
Of all Sc2 players to point to, you pick Stephano? Lol. He wins because of his strats, not because of his mechanics.
That doesn't mean he has bad mechanics. I was just responding to them, they were the ones who brought up Stephano.
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
ya you dont know flash
flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy
It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics.
Is this guy serious? Flash would beat most current pro gamers with just marines. No medivac, no upgrade, no nothing. EZPZ. Stephano is no exception. And before you go on anymore, no, Stephano's mechanics are leagues below Flash's. The only way someone like Stephano could beat Flash was if the game was made so easy that Flash's skill had no use. SC2 is easy, but not that easy.
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
ya you dont know flash
flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy
He would practice that much per day and still not learn what the units do? Kid must be retarded.
Obviously he knows what the units do. The coach that said it in an interview was just using hyperbole
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
ya you dont know flash
flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy
He would practice that much per day and still not learn what the units do? Kid must be retarded.
You seriously still believe he hasn't learnt what they do yet? ...
Prepare to have the "elephant in the room" thread bumped, regardless of the outcome.
My take is that he will of course be very good when he makes the full switch. Definitely code A/code S material. Will he be the first SC2 bonjwa? Will he make all the current pros look terrible by comparison? Will we measure SC2 time pre-Flash and post-Flash?
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
ya you dont know flash
flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy
He would practice that much per day and still not learn what the units do? Kid must be retarded.
I think that must be one of the top 5 dumbest comments of the year. No matter if you're trying to be funny or serious^^
You know that the coach used past tense when he said "[...] Flash reached top master without knowing [...]".
I could actually totally believe that he outplayed and outmacroed everyone, just by getting upgrades, bio and medivacs.
So here's what it is like:
- Stephano is one of the top foreign contenders to beat the best koreans. However his work ethics are just not in Flash's league... by far
- Flash still probably plays like 95% Broodwar, which makes it hard to believe that he could beat Stephano right now.
=> if (or as soon as ) Flash picks up SC2 fulltime, his dedication, work ethics and prowess will most likely be WAAAAAHHAAAAAYYY out of Stephanos reach.
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
Of all Sc2 players to point to, you pick Stephano? Lol. He wins because of his strats, not because of his mechanics.
That doesn't mean he has bad mechanics. I was just responding to them, they were the ones who brought up Stephano.
On April 27 2012 01:15 Forikorder wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
ya you dont know flash
flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy
It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics.
Is this guy serious? Flash would beat most current pro gamers with just marines. No medivac, no upgrade, no nothing. EZPZ. Stephano is no exception. And before you go on anymore, no, Stephano's mechanics are leagues below Flash's. The only way someone like Stephano could beat Flash was if the game was made so easy that Flash's skill had no use. SC2 is easy, but not that easy.
Woah calm down there lol. I highly doubt that even Flash could beat Stephano or Naniwa with pure unupgraded marines, unless he was doing a marine/SCV all in off one base.
On April 26 2012 06:53 Dodgin wrote: It would have been really sad to see Flash retire because he didn't enjoy sc2 or be forced to play and not enjoy it to keep his job, good news.
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
Of all Sc2 players to point to, you pick Stephano? Lol. He wins because of his strats, not because of his mechanics.
That doesn't mean he has bad mechanics. I was just responding to them, they were the ones who brought up Stephano.
On April 27 2012 01:15 Forikorder wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
ya you dont know flash
flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy
It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics.
Is this guy serious? Flash would beat most current pro gamers with just marines. No medivac, no upgrade, no nothing. EZPZ. Stephano is no exception. And before you go on anymore, no, Stephano's mechanics are leagues below Flash's. The only way someone like Stephano could beat Flash was if the game was made so easy that Flash's skill had no use. SC2 is easy, but not that easy.
Woah calm down there lol. I highly doubt that even Flash could beat Stephano or Naniwa with pure unupgraded marines, unless he was doing a marine/SCV all in off one base.
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
Of all Sc2 players to point to, you pick Stephano? Lol. He wins because of his strats, not because of his mechanics.
That doesn't mean he has bad mechanics. I was just responding to them, they were the ones who brought up Stephano.
On April 27 2012 01:15 Forikorder wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
ya you dont know flash
flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy
It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics.
Is this guy serious? Flash would beat most current pro gamers with just marines. No medivac, no upgrade, no nothing. EZPZ. Stephano is no exception. And before you go on anymore, no, Stephano's mechanics are leagues below Flash's. The only way someone like Stephano could beat Flash was if the game was made so easy that Flash's skill had no use. SC2 is easy, but not that easy.
Just no.
There are three types of people in this thread: Flash fanboys - Flash will destroy every pro in SC2 cause he's the sickest eva and i want his babies omg flash so pro i cant wait till he crushes everyone total bonjwa with marines :D :D:D:D BW Players - Meh, Flash might not be the best now, but our game is far superior to yours and he will be Bonjwa eventually, your opinion is invalid, because we play Brood War. (See: Snob) SC2 Players - Flash will still be brilliant at SC2 right now, but will be right up there when he practices a lot. It's going to be fun.
There is only one party that has it right there...
On April 27 2012 00:40 Caihead wrote: I'm really tired of people throwing around the word Elitist on BW fans, just because someone is biased in some way doesn't make them an elitist, no one is assuming that because we like broodwar we can have special previleges bestowed on us by merit of us liking BW to the expense of SC2 fans. As if every BW fan is a burgeois capitalist being backed up by a powerful state military-industrial complex drinking champagne and taking away the previleges of the SC2 fan, when the reality of the situation is the exact opposite. If a poster is biased and makes idiotic remarks, just rebute him and be done with it, stop labeling communities.
Thank you.
I was going to disagree and looked up the word in dictionary and strangely enough, you're right, "elitism" isn't the right word to describe the way majority of BW fans act, at least not grammatically correct way.
a person who believes himself or herself an expert or connoisseur in a given field and is condescending toward or disdainful of those who hold other opinions or have different tastes regarding this field
Sounds about right.
"You think you know, but you don't know. And [despite being told about us over and over again] you never will."
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
Of all Sc2 players to point to, you pick Stephano? Lol. He wins because of his strats, not because of his mechanics.
That doesn't mean he has bad mechanics. I was just responding to them, they were the ones who brought up Stephano.
On April 27 2012 01:15 Forikorder wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
ya you dont know flash
flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy
It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics.
Is this guy serious? Flash would beat most current pro gamers with just marines. No medivac, no upgrade, no nothing. EZPZ. Stephano is no exception. And before you go on anymore, no, Stephano's mechanics are leagues below Flash's. The only way someone like Stephano could beat Flash was if the game was made so easy that Flash's skill had no use. SC2 is easy, but not that easy.
ohhh now that's a cute fanboy .... got more interesting stories for us?
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
Of all Sc2 players to point to, you pick Stephano? Lol. He wins because of his strats, not because of his mechanics.
That doesn't mean he has bad mechanics. I was just responding to them, they were the ones who brought up Stephano.
On April 27 2012 01:15 Forikorder wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
ya you dont know flash
flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy
It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics.
Is this guy serious? Flash would beat most current pro gamers with just marines. No medivac, no upgrade, no nothing. EZPZ. Stephano is no exception. And before you go on anymore, no, Stephano's mechanics are leagues below Flash's. The only way someone like Stephano could beat Flash was if the game was made so easy that Flash's skill had no use. SC2 is easy, but not that easy.
Just no.
There are three types of people in this thread: Flash fanboys - Flash will destroy every pro in SC2 cause he's the sickest eva and i want his babies omg flash so pro i cant wait till he crushes everyone total bonjwa with marines :D :D:D:D BW Players - Meh, Flash might not be the best now, but our game is far superior to yours and he will be Bonjwa eventually, your opinion is invalid, because we play Brood War. (See: Snob) SC2 Players - Flash will still be brilliant at SC2 right now, but will be right up there when he practices a lot. It's going to be fun.
There is only one party that has it right there...
you can't possibly know that^^ he might actually be way too godly for everyone, who knows. but a "I'm right" attidude, no matter how exaggerated the other party's argument is, won't make your point.
I wanna see Stephano in code S first.
But as I've said. Flash plays because its his destiny, Stephano plays because he's good, but more importantly because he makes loads of money. Flash will practice for 14 hours a day until he is confident in his play. Stephano will play 4-6 hours a day, as long as he wants to.
Whether or not Flash is godly right away or will get to the top thorugh practice and dedication actually doesn't matter to me. What matter is, that no matter which way, he will definitely end up being better than Stephano.
On April 27 2012 01:54 Jaegeru wrote: What has this thread turned into, Stephano fanboys trying to argue that he's a better player than flash.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Nobody's saying he's better than Flash as an RTS player. As an SC2 player, I can imagine that he currently is. Welcome to TL! You might find yourself wanting to evacuate this planet very frequently.
Meh, I really don't think SC2 allows for such big skill gaps like in BW where mechanics are less forgiving and increase the gap based on pure mechanical skill, at which Flash is a monster.
But I really don't think that we will see any "one" player dominate for an extended period of time in SC2, ever, due to how much "easier" it is to play at say 80%(totally made up number, but you get my point) of perfection in this game compared to BW, which imo has both advantages and disadvantages.
People forget that BW bonjwas have already switched and they have been good, but not great, imo =)
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote: Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy
Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.
I was trolling.
Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do
No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.
You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.
This has to be the most ignorant thing to say. It will take Flash atleast half a year of fulltime practice to catch up to Stephano and that is being very generous. This game is completely different.
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