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Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
April 26 2012 16:14 GMT
#781
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote:
Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy


Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.

I was trolling.

Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do

No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.



You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.


To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
April 26 2012 16:15 GMT
#782
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote:
Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy


Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.

I was trolling.

Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do

No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.



You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.


To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.

Of all Sc2 players to point to, you pick Stephano? Lol. He wins because of his strats, not because of his mechanics.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 16:16:04
April 26 2012 16:15 GMT
#783
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote:
Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy


Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.

I was trolling.

Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do

No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.



You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.


To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.

ya you dont know flash

flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy
pdR
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway33 Posts
April 26 2012 16:15 GMT
#784
On April 27 2012 01:07 ReachTheSky wrote:
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On April 27 2012 01:04 willoc wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:42 Xiron wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:39 Instigata wrote:
Funny seeing Blizzard desperate to make deals with kespa since LoL is taking over and with DOTA2 on it's way even HOTS won't save it. Guess they are trying to regain the foothold in Korea.


If nothing happens soon, DotA2 will blow everything out of the water imo.


DotA2 will take half or more of LoL's eSports following and probably bring in more people who aren't into eSports right now. It will not affect FPS or RTS as it is neither of those game types. That is all.


Isn't there a chance that DOTA2 may not even come out?


What are you talking about? Valve wouldn't host 2 1.6 million dollar tourneys 2 years in a row if they didn't intend to release the game.
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
April 26 2012 16:17 GMT
#785
On April 27 2012 00:49 Garmer wrote:
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On April 27 2012 00:40 Delta-V wrote:
I hope that Flash dominates in SC2.

On April 27 2012 00:38 wuhan_clan wrote:
It's pretty clear to me that the games hierarchy goes something like .... LoL < SC2 < SC:BW < Chess < Life.


Except that life isn't a game.

Edit: lol unless you are talking about The Game of LIFE, but I wouldn't say that's better than chess.

and chess isn't better than BW, no game is better than BW imho


First of chess is a game of complete information. You are comparing apples and oranges. Also how fun is it to see people make the first 20-25 moves out of memory. Only to pull out a novelty their staff of GM's has prepared over the last 3 months? Also 35.48% of the games end in a draw. I have 10k+ games played online and bughouse is a viable alternative since it branches more.

Second life is a game. If you don't know this you are getting played & owned like a little noob ^^ Pay tax much?

Saying BW is better than sc2. To me it's just neanderthals & cro-magnons saying homo sapiens are inferior ^^

There will always be defenders of the status quo. They are scared of the unknown future of being out evolved and losing their priviledges. Holding on to anything is like holding on to your breath. You will suffocate.

Don't let the past steal your present....
The worst kinds of organized crime are religion & government.
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 16:22:09
April 26 2012 16:19 GMT
#786
On April 27 2012 01:15 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote:
Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy


Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.

I was trolling.

Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do

No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.



You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.


To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.

Of all Sc2 players to point to, you pick Stephano? Lol. He wins because of his strats, not because of his mechanics.


That doesn't mean he has bad mechanics. I was just responding to them, they were the ones who brought up Stephano.


On April 27 2012 01:15 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote:
Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy


Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.

I was trolling.

Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do

No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.



You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.


To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.

ya you dont know flash

flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy


It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
April 26 2012 16:19 GMT
#787
This thread has made me sad. Elitist and frankly embarrassing dinosaurs....cocky greenhorns....Both equally pathetic in their own way.

I'm just happy Flash is playing the game I play.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
April 26 2012 16:20 GMT
#788
On April 27 2012 01:15 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote:
Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy


Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.

I was trolling.

Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do

No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.



You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.


To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.

ya you dont know flash

flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy

True enough, although I must say that this discussion is terribly pointless lol.
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
April 26 2012 16:20 GMT
#789
On April 27 2012 00:04 Indolent wrote:
Wow, if Flash will start playin' SC2... It will show how much SC2 has been simplified. Flash with his skills should absolutely dominate every other player in like 6 months. Unless of course there's no place for a large skill gap like this, because SC2 is too easy too play.

Go Flash!


You can't have it both ways. I'm going to have it the other way round. The first time a foreigner takes a series off him is going to be a wonderful thing. In fact, even funnier will be if someone as good as Thorzain absolutely crushes him. I mean, we already have the supreme overlord of WC3 playing (Moon) and his career hasn't exactly been star spangled, has it.

What makes you think Flash will be any different?
Glowbox
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands330 Posts
April 26 2012 16:21 GMT
#790
On April 27 2012 01:19 IPA wrote:
This thread has made me sad. Elitist and frankly embarrassing dinosaurs....cocky greenhorns....Both equally pathetic in their own way.

I'm just happy Flash is playing the game I play.


Amen. I can't wait to see what these players can do with SC2.
CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
April 26 2012 16:21 GMT
#791
I vote that he will be a good player, but he will still be just another really good player.
Aka he wont have stupid 14 or whatever winning streaks. But this is mostly sad news for me, but hopefully blizz realizes that sc2 is a waste of Flashs, Jaedongs... talents and makes the game 2x times harder.

I can, dream cant I?
4th August 2012...Never forget.....
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
April 26 2012 16:22 GMT
#792
On April 27 2012 01:15 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote:
Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy


Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.

I was trolling.

Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do

No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.



You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.


To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.

ya you dont know flash

flash practices more games per day with 1 hand then stephano does when hes healthy




ftfy
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 16:25:13
April 26 2012 16:23 GMT
#793
It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics.


marineking almost won a GSL by massing marines, Flash can certainly put an uppity foreigner in his place with them

I vote that he will be a good player, but he will still be just another really good player.
Aka he wont have stupid 14 or whatever winning streaks. But this is mostly sad news for me, but hopefully blizz realizes that sc2 is a waste of Flashs, Jaedongs... talents and makes the game 2x times harder.

I can, dream cant I?


NesTea all killed GSL's im sure a broodwar pro will be able to accomplish that sometime
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
April 26 2012 16:24 GMT
#794
On April 27 2012 01:23 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics.


marineking almost won a GSL by massing marines, Flash can certainly put an uppity foreigner in his place with them


That was ages ago when progamers in general had worse mechanics and the game was more of deathball vs deathball. When MKP encountered a player who had decent strategy, he was smashed.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 16:26:53
April 26 2012 16:26 GMT
#795
On April 27 2012 01:24 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 01:23 Forikorder wrote:
It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics.


marineking almost won a GSL by massing marines, Flash can certainly put an uppity foreigner in his place with them


That was ages ago when progamers in general had worse mechanics and the game was more of deathball vs deathball. When MKP encountered a player who had decent strategy, he was smashed.

that was the closest GSL finals pretty much ever pretty sure it ended 4-3 with some very nailbiting games

besides marines scale the best with control so the hardest part of doing a mass marine style is hitting the timing right to get there before infesters
ReadySetFire
Profile Joined October 2011
Kuwait545 Posts
April 26 2012 16:27 GMT
#796
On April 27 2012 01:20 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 01:15 Forikorder wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:14 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:11 Chaggi wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:08 Josh_rakoons wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:02 ReadySetFire wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:46 eYeball wrote:
On April 27 2012 00:01 ReadySetFire wrote:
Meh, Stephano would stomp this guy


Now yes, but can you really say that when he's transition is complete? I don't think so.

I was trolling.

Flash would stomp stephano without knowing what the new units do

No.... it would not be close... stephano would destroy him, no matter how "godly" you think Flash is, nobody can pick up the game, have no clue what the units do and still manage to beat a world class player.



You don't know how good Korean BW pros are.


To be fair, you guys are underestimating Stephano too. He has quite solid mechanics and over 200 EPM. Flash wouldn't be able to beat him without knowing how the units work without massively outmacroing him, and that's not really going to happen. Note that I said massively.

ya you dont know flash

flash practices more games per day when hes sick then stephano does when hes healthy

True enough, although I must say that this discussion is terribly pointless lol.

what have i started
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
April 26 2012 16:28 GMT
#797
On April 27 2012 01:26 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 01:24 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On April 27 2012 01:23 Forikorder wrote:
It wouldn't matter how much Flash practiced if he never learned what the units did. All SC2 strategy relies on knowing what the units do, so Flash's only way of winning would be with his mechanics.


marineking almost won a GSL by massing marines, Flash can certainly put an uppity foreigner in his place with them


That was ages ago when progamers in general had worse mechanics and the game was more of deathball vs deathball. When MKP encountered a player who had decent strategy, he was smashed.

that was the closest GSL finals pretty much ever pretty sure it ended 4-3 with some very nailbiting games

besides marines scale the best with control so the hardest part of doing a mass marine style is hitting the timing right to get there before infesters


Oh god you were talking about Open Season 2? I thought you meant GSL January haha.

But yes, with decent mechanics, you can beat players with worse mechanics.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
fox77
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada95 Posts
April 26 2012 16:29 GMT
#798
B-teamers would be the current top of the ladder now, and A-teamers are a league beyond those players. Then the outliers like Flash and Jaedong are even more leagues above the A-teamers. This is the scope of skill that people are discussing when comparing BW and SC2.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
April 26 2012 16:33 GMT
#799
I'm going to laugh if Flash and other S-class players end up being just "ho-hum" players at sc2. To me that would prove that the skill ceiling for sc2 is low (yes im a bw elitist)
jaedong imba
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Last Edited: 2012-04-26 16:34:07
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