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ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
April 26 2012 13:55 GMT
#681
On April 26 2012 22:54 huehuehuehue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 22:49 Heh_ wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:43 jj33 wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:30 ceaRshaf wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:28 jj33 wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:26 Heh_ wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:09 Rainmansc wrote:
The reason why no pro BW player would play protoss is simple. Since protoss is a more strategic race in sc2. Its not like protoss is really skill based in sc2 due to warpgate and collosi.


When will the protoss bashing stop... If protoss is the easy race, why don't you play it and win a GSL for us? Please, stop with the endless stream of complaints.



he's right.

protoss has a lower skill ceiling than Terran or zerg in sc2.

things like collosus absolutely are mindless units.

Pros like bisu etc can maximize the potential of Terran with their skills way more than protoss.


He is right because now you are 2 saying so.



thanks =]

I guarantee you most korean pros will say the same thing, Terran has a much higher skill ceiling than protoss



If protoss is so easy to play, please, PLEASE win a GSL for me using the easy race. Protoss is like a glass cannon. One mis-micro, and everything dies. Their units may seem tanky, but they die so quick unless you have excellent positioning/forcefields.

There is WAY more of that as Terran.


How many games are instant loss for terran by one visible mistake? You are WAY more a fanboy than you should.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Mord
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway171 Posts
April 26 2012 13:57 GMT
#682
I love how a discussion about Flash joining SC2 turned into a flamewar over protoss, stay classy TL.
Vildhjarta
Profile Joined September 2011
Sweden126 Posts
April 26 2012 13:58 GMT
#683
On April 26 2012 07:07 ZoW wrote:
Show nested quote +
seems to enjoy learning a new game.

more like enjoying the thought of having a bunch trophies and prize money handed to him on a platter with even less effort than before


here we go. Let's reinforce some stereotypes..
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solidONE
Profile Joined August 2010
United States160 Posts
April 26 2012 14:00 GMT
#684
On April 26 2012 12:29 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 12:00 Grampz wrote:
On April 26 2012 11:58 Heh_ wrote:
I don't think that one player, albeit the BEST player in BW, would be able to singlehandedly revolutionize the SC2 scene. Players require teams for testing and practice. It's pretty damn impossible to innovate better than entire teams and their coaches. If he joins a strong team like Prime, he might take over the role of Ace from MKP, but whether his mere arrival causes the formation of new tactics is debatable.

Joins a strong team? Are you aware that flash gets salaried around 250k? Something Prime's "ace" MKP doesn't make in a year winning tournaments, let alone get salaried... And how do you have any idea what the best RTS players of all time can do in a Mechanically laxed game?


Yes I'm aware that Flash commands a ridiculous salary. Even if he forms his own team with other ex-BW pros, they are still 2 years behind the current SC2 pros. Regardless of how mechanically skillful a player is, strategies are still first and foremost in the proscene. That's why GSL is dominated by the most well executed builds/cheeses you'll ever see.


2 years behind? do you think you need to have any clue about when you were able to move cannons in alpha and steppes of war strats? If you have a changing meta-game that's rocked and shattered every 3 months, then you only need to learn the current one in terms of strategies. Big deal. All they need to know is mechanics and micro, what units and compositions beat what etc. It's not difficult for these players. They aren't as far behind as you think unless you think they need to know how to stop 7 racks reaper from when the game was barely able to be called competitive
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
April 26 2012 14:01 GMT
#685
On April 26 2012 22:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 22:43 jj33 wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:30 ceaRshaf wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:28 jj33 wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:26 Heh_ wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:09 Rainmansc wrote:
The reason why no pro BW player would play protoss is simple. Since protoss is a more strategic race in sc2. Its not like protoss is really skill based in sc2 due to warpgate and collosi.


When will the protoss bashing stop... If protoss is the easy race, why don't you play it and win a GSL for us? Please, stop with the endless stream of complaints.



he's right.

protoss has a lower skill ceiling than Terran or zerg in sc2.

things like collosus absolutely are mindless units.

Pros like bisu etc can maximize the potential of Terran with their skills way more than protoss.


He is right because now you are 2 saying so.



thanks =]

I guarantee you most korean pros will say the same thing, Terran has a much higher skill ceiling than protoss


Oh, now it must be true cause you guarantee what pros will say. I think protoss should actually be taken out from competitive play.



no, with expansions and patches hopefully blizzard can make this game much better, like they did for sc1 to bw.

you're talking nonsense now, because you're getting emotional. Do you play protoss?
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
April 26 2012 14:02 GMT
#686
Flash is such a traitor, no support for b*tches sorry

User was warned for this post
Luv ya BroodWar!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
April 26 2012 14:04 GMT
#687
On April 26 2012 23:02 _Animus_ wrote:
Flash is such a traitor, no support for b*tches sorry


......ok
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howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 14:15:51
April 26 2012 14:05 GMT
#688
On April 26 2012 19:18 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 19:16 howLiN wrote:
On April 26 2012 18:49 lightrise wrote:
This is gonna be sick. Im surprised there isnt more nerdgasm in this thread. Everyone's favorite Bonjwa is switching over. Can't wait to see if he can live up to all the hype. It will be a battle to become as dominant as he was in sc1.

The reason there isn't more nerdgasm is because this thread was moved from the BW forums, and BW fanboys are really bitter over any news like this that shows up.


Not bitter at all when Flash is winning gsl 6 times in a row and foreigners can't do anything about it . So yeah can't wait for my ultimate weapon to unleash his power of destruction .

Yup, this is what I was talking about.

Also, he's not your ultimate weapon. You don't get to relate to someone's wins just because you like the game he's playing. That's what underachievers do.
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
April 26 2012 14:08 GMT
#689
all those news about bw pro switching to sc2 lately, make it happen damnit, i cant wait anymore. what do you think when will it take place?
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
April 26 2012 14:08 GMT
#690
On April 26 2012 22:55 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 22:54 huehuehuehue wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:49 Heh_ wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:43 jj33 wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:30 ceaRshaf wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:28 jj33 wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:26 Heh_ wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:09 Rainmansc wrote:
The reason why no pro BW player would play protoss is simple. Since protoss is a more strategic race in sc2. Its not like protoss is really skill based in sc2 due to warpgate and collosi.


When will the protoss bashing stop... If protoss is the easy race, why don't you play it and win a GSL for us? Please, stop with the endless stream of complaints.



he's right.

protoss has a lower skill ceiling than Terran or zerg in sc2.

things like collosus absolutely are mindless units.

Pros like bisu etc can maximize the potential of Terran with their skills way more than protoss.


He is right because now you are 2 saying so.



thanks =]

I guarantee you most korean pros will say the same thing, Terran has a much higher skill ceiling than protoss



If protoss is so easy to play, please, PLEASE win a GSL for me using the easy race. Protoss is like a glass cannon. One mis-micro, and everything dies. Their units may seem tanky, but they die so quick unless you have excellent positioning/forcefields.

There is WAY more of that as Terran.


How many games are instant loss for terran by one visible mistake? You are WAY more a fanboy than you should.

Very many games are, in TvP if you are out of position with your ghosts and you get stormed/forcefielded then you just melt. In TvZ when your marines are clumped up and you get fungaled, burrowed banelings etc.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 14:12:19
April 26 2012 14:08 GMT
#691
On April 26 2012 23:01 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 22:44 ceaRshaf wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:43 jj33 wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:30 ceaRshaf wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:28 jj33 wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:26 Heh_ wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:09 Rainmansc wrote:
The reason why no pro BW player would play protoss is simple. Since protoss is a more strategic race in sc2. Its not like protoss is really skill based in sc2 due to warpgate and collosi.


When will the protoss bashing stop... If protoss is the easy race, why don't you play it and win a GSL for us? Please, stop with the endless stream of complaints.



he's right.

protoss has a lower skill ceiling than Terran or zerg in sc2.

things like collosus absolutely are mindless units.

Pros like bisu etc can maximize the potential of Terran with their skills way more than protoss.


He is right because now you are 2 saying so.



thanks =]

I guarantee you most korean pros will say the same thing, Terran has a much higher skill ceiling than protoss


Oh, now it must be true cause you guarantee what pros will say. I think protoss should actually be taken out from competitive play.



no, with expansions and patches hopefully blizzard can make this game much better, like they did for sc1 to bw.

you're talking nonsense now, because you're getting emotional. Do you play protoss?


I am sarcastic because you talk to not shut up.

Very many games are, in TvP if you are out of position with your ghosts and you get stormed/forcefielded then you just melt. In TvZ when your marines are clumped up and you get fungaled, burrowed banelings etc.


A protoss is extremely dependend on sentry, immortal, collosus, HT. Lose any of those and gg.

As teran you have a ball that you need to take care off. If you get stormed you are really bad.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 14:14:43
April 26 2012 14:11 GMT
#692
On April 26 2012 12:29 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 12:00 Grampz wrote:
On April 26 2012 11:58 Heh_ wrote:
I don't think that one player, albeit the BEST player in BW, would be able to singlehandedly revolutionize the SC2 scene. Players require teams for testing and practice. It's pretty damn impossible to innovate better than entire teams and their coaches. If he joins a strong team like Prime, he might take over the role of Ace from MKP, but whether his mere arrival causes the formation of new tactics is debatable.

Joins a strong team? Are you aware that flash gets salaried around 250k? Something Prime's "ace" MKP doesn't make in a year winning tournaments, let alone get salaried... And how do you have any idea what the best RTS players of all time can do in a Mechanically laxed game?


Yes I'm aware that Flash commands a ridiculous salary. Even if he forms his own team with other ex-BW pros, they are still 2 years behind the current SC2 pros. Regardless of how mechanically skillful a player is, strategies are still first and foremost in the proscene. That's why GSL is dominated by the most well executed builds/cheeses you'll ever see.


The player you seem to have in mind is Idra.

This is Flash, you need to know more about him...... he cheeses and turtles and plays greedy and I can't understand how he makes certain in-game decisions because his game sense is so good it's like he's maphacking - and I'm not a Flash supporter, was always supporting JD or Bisu.

As sad as I am, if they are really enjoying it I can be happy for them. (and hopeful)
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Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
April 26 2012 14:11 GMT
#693
On April 26 2012 22:55 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 22:54 huehuehuehue wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:49 Heh_ wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:43 jj33 wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:30 ceaRshaf wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:28 jj33 wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:26 Heh_ wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:09 Rainmansc wrote:
The reason why no pro BW player would play protoss is simple. Since protoss is a more strategic race in sc2. Its not like protoss is really skill based in sc2 due to warpgate and collosi.


When will the protoss bashing stop... If protoss is the easy race, why don't you play it and win a GSL for us? Please, stop with the endless stream of complaints.



he's right.

protoss has a lower skill ceiling than Terran or zerg in sc2.

things like collosus absolutely are mindless units.

Pros like bisu etc can maximize the potential of Terran with their skills way more than protoss.


He is right because now you are 2 saying so.



thanks =]

I guarantee you most korean pros will say the same thing, Terran has a much higher skill ceiling than protoss



If protoss is so easy to play, please, PLEASE win a GSL for me using the easy race. Protoss is like a glass cannon. One mis-micro, and everything dies. Their units may seem tanky, but they die so quick unless you have excellent positioning/forcefields.

There is WAY more of that as Terran.


How many games are instant loss for terran by one visible mistake? You are WAY more a fanboy than you should.


Basically every game vs zerg when the terran is caught unsieged.

Heh_: They aren't saying that protoss is is easy to play or that protoss players are less skilled than other players. They are saying that the terran race has the most potential for players with massive apm. This is because terran has the best options for tasking your opponents apm with all of their drops and because terran benefits the most from things like good stutter step micro/splitting capabilities.

Yes there are a lot of things protoss/zerg can do with greater apm, such as blink micro/better FF or better injects, but just not as much as terran
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
April 26 2012 14:11 GMT
#694
On April 26 2012 07:01 Megaliskuu wrote:
So are they gonna play english version or korean?

the fomos interview with all the bw coaches stated english, to keep all the traditional unit names the same.
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Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
April 26 2012 14:12 GMT
#695
On April 26 2012 23:00 solidONE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 12:29 Heh_ wrote:
On April 26 2012 12:00 Grampz wrote:
On April 26 2012 11:58 Heh_ wrote:
I don't think that one player, albeit the BEST player in BW, would be able to singlehandedly revolutionize the SC2 scene. Players require teams for testing and practice. It's pretty damn impossible to innovate better than entire teams and their coaches. If he joins a strong team like Prime, he might take over the role of Ace from MKP, but whether his mere arrival causes the formation of new tactics is debatable.

Joins a strong team? Are you aware that flash gets salaried around 250k? Something Prime's "ace" MKP doesn't make in a year winning tournaments, let alone get salaried... And how do you have any idea what the best RTS players of all time can do in a Mechanically laxed game?


Yes I'm aware that Flash commands a ridiculous salary. Even if he forms his own team with other ex-BW pros, they are still 2 years behind the current SC2 pros. Regardless of how mechanically skillful a player is, strategies are still first and foremost in the proscene. That's why GSL is dominated by the most well executed builds/cheeses you'll ever see.


2 years behind? do you think you need to have any clue about when you were able to move cannons in alpha and steppes of war strats? If you have a changing meta-game that's rocked and shattered every 3 months, then you only need to learn the current one in terms of strategies. Big deal. All they need to know is mechanics and micro, what units and compositions beat what etc. It's not difficult for these players. They aren't as far behind as you think unless you think they need to know how to stop 7 racks reaper from when the game was barely able to be called competitive



Yes. Old-school strategies are still used. They may seem outdated and everybody knows the counter to them, but they are still used to catch opponents offguard.
=Þ
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 26 2012 14:17 GMT
#696
No reason for him to switch.

Terran fits his playstyle in SC2 too.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
April 26 2012 14:19 GMT
#697
On April 26 2012 22:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 22:34 TangYiChen wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:31 Chicodog wrote:
I have no idea if Flash will be able to dominate in SC2, but it will be awesome to see him compete no matter what.


I'm sure he'll absolutely be able to dominate sc2. He enjoys it, it's not like he's being forced to play. That combined with his insane practice will allow him to catch up/maybe even surpass some of the top tier sc2 players now


I'm not really sure if he actually enjoys it or if DES is just preparing people for Star 2.

Yes someone says he enjoys it but he must mean something else, because how can someone just enjoy SC2 that's not possible.
Fuego
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom166 Posts
April 26 2012 14:19 GMT
#698
How did this manage to become a discussion (using the word loosely) about balance?

I'm excited to see someone with the amount of talent Flash has playing SC2, it can only be a good thing.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
April 26 2012 14:20 GMT
#699
On April 26 2012 23:05 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 19:18 Sawamura wrote:
On April 26 2012 19:16 howLiN wrote:
On April 26 2012 18:49 lightrise wrote:
This is gonna be sick. Im surprised there isnt more nerdgasm in this thread. Everyone's favorite Bonjwa is switching over. Can't wait to see if he can live up to all the hype. It will be a battle to become as dominant as he was in sc1.

The reason there isn't more nerdgasm is because this thread was moved from the BW forums, and BW fanboys are really bitter over any news like this that shows up.


Not bitter at all when Flash is winning gsl 6 times in a row and foreigners can't do anything about it . So yeah can't wait for my ultimate weapon to unleash his power of destruction .

Yup, this is what I was talking about.

Also, he's not your ultimate weapon. You don't get to relate to someone's wins just because you like the game he's playing. That's what underachievers do.


What ever floats your boat man, this guy's work much more harder at the game than anyone else will do and it's really a personal term when you are a kt fan .My ultimate weapon really sounds like my team ace and so what has got to do with being an underachiever huh ? . Let's just say you want to prolong this discussion any longer I can take it in pm . Any time any where...
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NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
April 26 2012 14:20 GMT
#700
On April 26 2012 22:34 one-one-one wrote:
Flash likes playing SC2 ?

I don't doubt that, but I wonder if he likes loosing to protoss opponents with 1/3 of his APM just cos they know how to mass colossus and templars ?


Priceless comments are priceless ... xD

Loving those Terran ragers ! :D
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