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On April 26 2012 10:29 sGs.Stregon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 10:21 Mutality wrote:
I feel like terran is already the most discovered race, I feel like if Flash played Zerg or Protoss he could revolutionize the game. Yea, most discovered.. That is why Pro Terrans are still going MMM timing/all in every match.. Protoss and Zerg are both way more discovered than Terran, to be honest, Terran kept reciving nerfs for awhile, so the majority of players ((pros included)) stuck with cheesy gimmicky stuff.. Someone like Flash will revolutionize Terran. Ive seen Mech work against Protoss and Zerg, ive seen biomech destroy Protoss((without drops, and with)) ive seen hellion viking rape zerg.. yet 99% of the games are MMM all in((with a healthy dose of 1-1-1)).. Terran needs players that will push the race, and not just settle going all-in//gimmicky..
That is the biggest load of rubbish i've ever read. Please actually understand the game before you make comments like that lol.
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Just waiting for people to hype this shit up as Forgg, Nada, Boxer, July...and so on. :D
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I don't think that one player, albeit the BEST player in BW, would be able to singlehandedly revolutionize the SC2 scene. Players require teams for testing and practice. It's pretty damn impossible to innovate better than entire teams and their coaches. If he joins a strong team like Prime, he might take over the role of Ace from MKP, but whether his mere arrival causes the formation of new tactics is debatable.
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On April 26 2012 11:58 Heh_ wrote:
I don't think that one player, albeit the BEST player in BW, would be able to singlehandedly revolutionize the SC2 scene. Players require teams for testing and practice. It's pretty damn impossible to innovate better than entire teams and their coaches. If he joins a strong team like Prime, he might take over the role of Ace from MKP, but whether his mere arrival causes the formation of new tactics is debatable.
he is not the best player. he is GOD, lol
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On April 26 2012 11:35 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 11:09 sGs.Stregon wrote:
When is the last time you saw a Terran actually use Siege tanks against Protoss, isntead of just MMMV ((because i have seen a GM player sprinkle some Siege tanks in his unit comp in TvP and have very good success.)) Pro Terrans don't use tanks outside of certain all-ins because they don't work in TvP. Top Korean and foreigner pros have stated flat out that mech doesn't work and tanks are bad against Protoss, because they are. MMM/V/G is the standard composition because there aren't alternatives to it. Siege mode damage vs non-armored units is really bad, and Zealots and archons are both non-armored and constantly used in the matchup anyway. A tank is just a waste of 3 supply and the cost of researching siege mode in a standard game.
I feel bad for you.. trying to emulate "pros" that go mass mech then say that mech is bad in TvP ((period))..
I have seen a Grand Master Terran roflstomp using 5 tanks, to be able to focus fire((not smart fire, as it isnt too smart, but focus fire)) the HT/Sentries/Stalkers ((whathave you)).. Not going MASS tanks, and then saying tanks are bad stick with MMMV its easy.. but actually thinking outside the box, and realizing that with good pre-positioning, even a small group of tanks can help change the tide of a fight rather drastically.
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On April 26 2012 11:57 Gackt_ wrote:
Just waiting for people to hype this shit up as Forgg, Nada, Boxer, July...and so on. :D
except... FlaSh isnt any of those. He's most likely the best RTS player to ever play  !!
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What's this about Fantasy playing Zerg? Oh god that's going to be sick if he sticks with it. That said I think he'd be better served as a terran player, but should be incredible none the less.
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On April 26 2012 11:58 Heh_ wrote:
I don't think that one player, albeit the BEST player in BW, would be able to singlehandedly revolutionize the SC2 scene. Players require teams for testing and practice. It's pretty damn impossible to innovate better than entire teams and their coaches. If he joins a strong team like Prime, he might take over the role of Ace from MKP, but whether his mere arrival causes the formation of new tactics is debatable.
Joins a strong team? Are you aware that flash gets salaried around 250k? Something Prime's "ace" MKP doesn't make in a year winning tournaments, let alone get salaried... And how do you have any idea what the best RTS players of all time can do in a Mechanically laxed game?
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MVP/Parting/MKP/MMA/DRG/Leenock can take em. bring it on. come get some
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I think Fantasy will be better than Flash, his style seems tailored for SC2.
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Oh god if MKP can play terran with suck sick micro and own everyone hard (or at least for now), I wonder how good Flash will be. Holyyyy lol
Either way, with all this fast news of them switching instead of just some (?), it seems they are pretty positive it will be a decently smooth transition. I hope it will be too! If it is a smooth transition and BW pros can get into SC2 scene pretty fast (in a few months, or even a couple), it could be good evidence showing that getting good at starcraft isn't based solely on the experience you have, but rather how fast/smart/etc. you are
On April 26 2012 12:00 sGs.Stregon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 11:35 forsooth wrote:On April 26 2012 11:09 sGs.Stregon wrote:
When is the last time you saw a Terran actually use Siege tanks against Protoss, isntead of just MMMV ((because i have seen a GM player sprinkle some Siege tanks in his unit comp in TvP and have very good success.)) Pro Terrans don't use tanks outside of certain all-ins because they don't work in TvP. Top Korean and foreigner pros have stated flat out that mech doesn't work and tanks are bad against Protoss, because they are. MMM/V/G is the standard composition because there aren't alternatives to it. Siege mode damage vs non-armored units is really bad, and Zealots and archons are both non-armored and constantly used in the matchup anyway. A tank is just a waste of 3 supply and the cost of researching siege mode in a standard game. I feel bad for you.. trying to emulate "pros" that go mass mech then say that mech is bad in TvP ((period)).. I have seen a Grand Master Terran roflstomp using 5 tanks, to be able to focus fire((not smart fire, as it isnt too smart, but focus fire)) the HT/Sentries/Stalkers ((whathave you)).. Not going MASS tanks, and then saying tanks are bad stick with MMMV its easy.. but actually thinking outside the box, and realizing that with good pre-positioning, even a small group of tanks can help change the tide of a fight rather drastically.
What? where did he say he was trying to emulate "pros"
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On April 26 2012 11:11 sGs.Stregon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 11:01 Capook wrote:On April 26 2012 10:03 Rostam wrote:On April 26 2012 09:47 Ansinjunger wrote:On April 26 2012 09:41 L3gendary wrote:
So...what does this article have to do with bw? If Fruitdealer switched to League of Legends, it would be SC2 news. There's a lot of "Bah! Humbug" @SC2 in this thread. I can't imagine why that could be. On April 26 2012 09:55 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 26 2012 09:49 Capook wrote:
I have never heard of this Fantasy or Reality. I seem to remember K-dong (thanks for confirming the existence of this player) and maybe also some cute-looking protoss TangBee who didn't have wrist problems at the time.
Anyway K-dong seemed pretty good. Is he playing sc2 too? To think that BW pros are switching into this fanbase....*sigh* He's not being serious, FYI. Of course I am being serious--I thought k-dong was pretty good. Also to those that say sc2 fans are ignorant, you should know that I have watched many sc1 games and know a lot about the game. For example, I have seen minedrags, where you mine lots of minerals and go dragoons. I know TangBee has employed this tactic to great success. Also I heard about this guy BeeSuit (what is it with all the bee names in sc1? you should name yourselves after commercial sweetened tea drinks) who can make dark templars even when zerg has lair and so can go overseer. He uses phoenix to chase away the overseers and sometimes kill them while they morph. Note that I do not speak for the BW community.. But I, personally, want to take you out back behind he wood shed and bash your brains in for the stupied that just came out of you.
You have absolutely no understanding of sc2 at all and your from sgs so i can imagine your iccup rank please just stop embarassing yourself with all this stupidity
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On April 26 2012 11:57 Gackt_ wrote:
Just waiting for people to hype this shit up as Forgg, Nada, Boxer, July...and so on. :D
ForGG had been slumping since 2008? im pretty sure.
Nada Boxer and July were all past their prime, by alot..
Thanks for basing the players off their most recent stats, and not just saying they are among the top, because they once were..
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On April 26 2012 12:00 sGs.Stregon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 11:35 forsooth wrote:On April 26 2012 11:09 sGs.Stregon wrote:
When is the last time you saw a Terran actually use Siege tanks against Protoss, isntead of just MMMV ((because i have seen a GM player sprinkle some Siege tanks in his unit comp in TvP and have very good success.)) Pro Terrans don't use tanks outside of certain all-ins because they don't work in TvP. Top Korean and foreigner pros have stated flat out that mech doesn't work and tanks are bad against Protoss, because they are. MMM/V/G is the standard composition because there aren't alternatives to it. Siege mode damage vs non-armored units is really bad, and Zealots and archons are both non-armored and constantly used in the matchup anyway. A tank is just a waste of 3 supply and the cost of researching siege mode in a standard game. I feel bad for you.. trying to emulate "pros" that go mass mech then say that mech is bad in TvP ((period)).. I have seen a Grand Master Terran roflstomp using 5 tanks, to be able to focus fire((not smart fire, as it isnt too smart, but focus fire)) the HT/Sentries/Stalkers ((whathave you)).. Not going MASS tanks, and then saying tanks are bad stick with MMMV its easy.. but actually thinking outside the box, and realizing that with good pre-positioning, even a small group of tanks can help change the tide of a fight rather drastically.
Marineking is starting to mix tanks in his TvP a lot more often. He doesn't use them to the greatest effect, yet. One game he didn't even get siege mode -_-
On April 26 2012 11:58 Heh_ wrote:
I don't think that one player, albeit the BEST player in BW, would be able to singlehandedly revolutionize the SC2 scene. Players require teams for testing and practice. It's pretty damn impossible to innovate better than entire teams and their coaches. If he joins a strong team like Prime, he might take over the role of Ace from MKP, but whether his mere arrival causes the formation of new tactics is debatable.
Why would he join another team? The BW teams themselves are also switching over, and many of these players are actually salaried, some for enormous sums of money.
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On April 26 2012 12:01 zerious wrote:
I think Fantasy will be better than Flash, his style seems tailored for SC2.
I've always been waiting for Fantasy to switch because I completely agree, however I don't like him switching to Zerg if it is true I'd be sad. Must be said though, to the people likening this to fOrGG and NaDa switching...winter is coming.
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People that don't think Flash will do well because of f0rgg or July or whatever are crazy. Hes only 19, hes the best player BW by far, and by all reports he practices the hardest too. The guy will at least be a perennial Code S contender even if some of the other BW guys struggle a little.
I'm only a casual BW fan and mainly watch SC2 but even I can tell that Flash is just better than everyone else currently.
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On April 26 2012 12:05 Demonhunter04 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 12:00 sGs.Stregon wrote:On April 26 2012 11:35 forsooth wrote:On April 26 2012 11:09 sGs.Stregon wrote:
When is the last time you saw a Terran actually use Siege tanks against Protoss, isntead of just MMMV ((because i have seen a GM player sprinkle some Siege tanks in his unit comp in TvP and have very good success.)) Pro Terrans don't use tanks outside of certain all-ins because they don't work in TvP. Top Korean and foreigner pros have stated flat out that mech doesn't work and tanks are bad against Protoss, because they are. MMM/V/G is the standard composition because there aren't alternatives to it. Siege mode damage vs non-armored units is really bad, and Zealots and archons are both non-armored and constantly used in the matchup anyway. A tank is just a waste of 3 supply and the cost of researching siege mode in a standard game. I feel bad for you.. trying to emulate "pros" that go mass mech then say that mech is bad in TvP ((period)).. I have seen a Grand Master Terran roflstomp using 5 tanks, to be able to focus fire((not smart fire, as it isnt too smart, but focus fire)) the HT/Sentries/Stalkers ((whathave you)).. Not going MASS tanks, and then saying tanks are bad stick with MMMV its easy.. but actually thinking outside the box, and realizing that with good pre-positioning, even a small group of tanks can help change the tide of a fight rather drastically. Marineking is starting to mix tanks in his TvP a lot more often. He doesn't use them to the greatest effect, yet. One game he didn't even get siege mode -_-
To be fair, we didn't get to see what he was planning on doing with it before Parting just came at him. He didn't even get Siege that game and died too early the 3rd game. I've seen it on a few streams before and almost everyone gets siege.
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On April 26 2012 11:54 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
The pros are enjoying the transfer over to SC2 because it is 10x easier to play. So many things are automated for you that you can really focus on micro/macro instead of having to worry about the small things. We'll see some really amazing builds/timings coming from the BW pros.
Or terribly broken games as they take a somewhat suspect game design to its extreme. Either way I think we're all curious to see if our hype manifests itself like we're suspecting.
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On April 26 2012 12:03 [AthruN] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 11:11 sGs.Stregon wrote:On April 26 2012 11:01 Capook wrote:On April 26 2012 10:03 Rostam wrote:On April 26 2012 09:47 Ansinjunger wrote:On April 26 2012 09:41 L3gendary wrote:
So...what does this article have to do with bw? If Fruitdealer switched to League of Legends, it would be SC2 news. There's a lot of "Bah! Humbug" @SC2 in this thread. I can't imagine why that could be. On April 26 2012 09:55 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 26 2012 09:49 Capook wrote:
I have never heard of this Fantasy or Reality. I seem to remember K-dong (thanks for confirming the existence of this player) and maybe also some cute-looking protoss TangBee who didn't have wrist problems at the time.
Anyway K-dong seemed pretty good. Is he playing sc2 too? To think that BW pros are switching into this fanbase....*sigh* He's not being serious, FYI. Of course I am being serious--I thought k-dong was pretty good. Also to those that say sc2 fans are ignorant, you should know that I have watched many sc1 games and know a lot about the game. For example, I have seen minedrags, where you mine lots of minerals and go dragoons. I know TangBee has employed this tactic to great success. Also I heard about this guy BeeSuit (what is it with all the bee names in sc1? you should name yourselves after commercial sweetened tea drinks) who can make dark templars even when zerg has lair and so can go overseer. He uses phoenix to chase away the overseers and sometimes kill them while they morph. Note that I do not speak for the BW community.. But I, personally, want to take you out back behind he wood shed and bash your brains in for the stupied that just came out of you. You have absolutely no understanding of sc2 at all and your from sgs so i can imagine your iccup rank please just stop embarassing yourself with all this stupidity
are you really that simple minded? I play Sc2.. do you? I do wear the sGs. tag proudly, because why the hell not help weaker players out, when the player base is so small, sorry im not a stuck up douchey C rank((probley)) like you who wont help anybody, and just tries lording over lesser skilled players =/
And just woundering, how does your as*backwards insult have anything todo with my actuall post? are you so mentally stunted you actually thought I was talking about Sc2 at that point? did you miss that part were i clarified that i didnt speak for anybody but myself? just woundering how your broken brain works.
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Marineking is starting to mix tanks in his TvP a lot more often. He doesn't use them to the greatest effect, yet. One game he didn't even get siege mode -_-
Siege mode isn't really great against protoss and unsiege tanks actually work better for most of the engagements... Tanks are decent early game. I think the problem with going bio mech vs protoss is the upgrades. You can't really upgrade both paths when the protoss is already ahead on ground upgrades vs bio.
To be fair, we didn't get to see what he was planning on doing with it before Parting just came at him. He didn't even get Siege that game and died too early the 3rd game. I've seen it on a few streams before and almost everyone gets siege.
Players like IMMVP used some marine tank timings previously (they work pretty well on smaller maps but larger maps gives the protoss more time to get immortals out).
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