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People say it's changed but like you said, it won't stabalize for a while
Anyways I'll repeat myself, I think the changes were already in effect since Season 6 locked up.
Example from my history:
+8
-8
+8
-9
How does that make sense? I beat a lower player, then lost vs a higher player, then beat a lower player, then lost vs a higher player.
It used to be much more stable like -12 +12. Now when I wasn't even on a losing nor winning streak it kept matching me with higher or lower players (I'm usually at 750, it gave me diamonds and 850s often, but more lows than high... probably since there are more diamonds and they might be more active overall than the higher masters since there's so much less of them).
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It certainly was on at the end of season 6. I had a game where I beat this guy pretty quick (I am gold) and he was bronze. I was like "huh... weird...why match me vs a bronze..."
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I got placed into diamond with my first game. Next game I play a gold player... -_-
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I thought easy wins were supposed to make you happy?  too much complaining imo.
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System is way too diverse
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On April 12 2012 06:04 OrbitalPlane wrote:
You said in that post: "every time I start to lose more than I win my opponents get more and more favored".
I actually think it is the other way around. Every time your opponents get favored you will loose more.
quotes from Excalibur_Z guide:
Your points will drift toward your hidden MMR over a period of time, ... MMR is more volatile than points.
No. If that was the case my opponents wouldn't get more and more favored the more into a losing streak I get. The graphs wouldn't be mirrors of each other like that.
And "MMR is more volatile than points" is true for new players, but not generally. He needs to update his guide.
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Play a game on cloud kingdom vs hasuobs, with incredible simcity and perfect macro. Get demolished.
Next game on cloud kingdom vs a protoss who starts with building 5 cannons in his nat, and doesn't leave his base for 15 minutes while building voidrays and colossi without gateway units. How this guy ever got into masters I will never know.
I'm all for a bit looser matchmaking, but really now?
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United Kingdom20345 Posts
On April 12 2012 14:43 Kira__ wrote:
Play a game on cloud kingdom vs hasuobs, with incredible simcity and perfect macro. Get demolished.
Next game on cloud kingdom vs a protoss who starts with building 5 cannons in his nat, and doesn't leave his base for 15 minutes while building voidrays and colossi without gateway units. How this guy ever got into masters I will never know.
I'm all for a bit looser matchmaking, but really now?
I gotta back up that guy - he is probably just going for the free wins as none of the zergs i have met in high diamond can deal with such a strategy.
Most of them just roll over and die to superfast thirds, or 7gate blink, or zealot dance party, with the latter two being >90% winrate, you would be suprised at how many dont know how to deal with such a simple and easy to execute strategy such as the one you mentioned. The vast vast majority of people sitting around high diamond but unable to push past low masters are just metagame heroes, who have done the exact same thing 500 times, and taking such wins is very pleasurable.
Its a shame that bad terrans are harder to abuse and PvP doesnt stretch a lot of skills, the control given to protoss in PvZ will allow you to destroy an inferior zerg with dozens of strategies of your choosing, and pretty much any high diamond zerg is inferior to anyone with good macro, mechanics, timings, army control who doesnt fit into the metagame warrior role.
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I dunno. This whole thing has actually worked out rather well with me.
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this is weird im 7-0 cause i keep getting match vs diamond players and im master
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United States7483 Posts
The start of all your seasons, most people have appeared as 'favored' and guess what, on their end, YOU were 'favored' Favored is not an objective system....BOTH players can see each other as favored. There's two reasons: First, because placement players tend to show as favored to give you the benefit of the doubt, and many people you play today will be doing their placement, secondly. It does not compare your rank vs rank or MMR vs MMR, it apparently compares Rank vs MMR. So it possible, especially early on, both players show as favoured.
Bigger issue for me is it saying one of us is favored at the start, yet at the end saying evenly matched. It should make up it's mind -_-. There's no reason to design an idiotic system where the matchmaker announces that you're favored vs. your opponent before the game, but when it's over it says something different.
Really bad design.
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I'm not sure if this is part of the new matchmaking system, but I played 4 placement games for 2v2 and beat bronzies, lost to a silver pair, then beat two silver pairs. I got placed into diamond.
I'm silver in 1v1 -.-
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On April 12 2012 15:17 Santi wrote:
this is weird im 7-0 cause i keep getting match vs diamond players and im master
I'm on the other end of this. I'm about 50% win rate though, so I'm gaining :D
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Canada13430 Posts
On April 12 2012 15:29 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +
The start of all your seasons, most people have appeared as 'favored' and guess what, on their end, YOU were 'favored' Favored is not an objective system....BOTH players can see each other as favored. There's two reasons: First, because placement players tend to show as favored to give you the benefit of the doubt, and many people you play today will be doing their placement, secondly. It does not compare your rank vs rank or MMR vs MMR, it apparently compares Rank vs MMR. So it possible, especially early on, both players show as favoured.
Bigger issue for me is it saying one of us is favored at the start, yet at the end saying evenly matched. It should make up it's mind -_-. There's no reason to design an idiotic system where the matchmaker announces that you're favored vs. your opponent before the game, but when it's over it says something different. Really bad design.
I played 12 games tonight won 4 against diamond players, and got matched against 4 master players in top 8 with 75% win ratios at the time of playing. I felt like I was climbing up hill, only after an 8 loss streak did it place me against worse players and they were not very good diamond players.
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Explain how one game I'm matched against a platinum player that I completely roll and next game I play a top 8 master that crushes me (I only lost 4 points for that, showing how his mmr is way higher than mine).
I understand that the new matchmaking system puts you against a wider skill range of players, but this is a bit extreme. I'm all for playing better players but not players that I have zero chance against.
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I am rank 27 masters and it seems like about 8/10 of my opponents are now diamond rank and 2/10 are masters. I guess it's nice to win a bit more than 50%, but at the same time it is getting a little bit boring since I'm mostly facing weak opponents.
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so, finally blizzard killed SC2.
after all those ridiculous nerfs against my loved terran race, they implemented the most fucked up matchmaking system ever
match history:
game 1: me (s6 grandmaster, now master obv.) vs Platinum
game 2: vs diamond
game 3: diamond
game 4: diamon
game 5: master
game 6: master
game 7: platinum
game 8: diamon
game 9: master
game 10: master - grubby
game 11: master - hasuobs
game 12: platinum
game 13: platinum
game 14: GOLD!! LOOOOOOL
won 12 games out of those 14, i lost vs hasuobs and grubby
thx blizzard, for finally killing SC2, so i can enjoy my diablo 3 next month without regretting leaving sc2
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does anyone know how this affects random partners in team games? the changes are pretty cool and good for 1v1 but in 2v2,3v3,4v4 getting paired with a lesser skilled player can be seriously frustrating.
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I actually like this new system, it gives you a chance to play against all sorts of players, and tbh it mentally helps us ragers a bit too since we win more games since we will occasionally play low level players. If anyone remembers Iccup, I feel that this is more like iccup because in iccup each season you had to start at D rank and play low level players until you got to the higher ranks.
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On April 12 2012 17:59 psychotics wrote:
does anyone know how this affects random partners in team games? the changes are pretty cool and good for 1v1 but in 2v2,3v3,4v4 getting paired with a lesser skilled player can be seriously frustrating.
Yes, that's what often happens now in team games. masters can get paired with golds and plats
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