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On April 11 2012 13:12 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 09:45 AGIANTSMURF wrote:On April 11 2012 09:32 awu25 wrote:
Did they change how placements work? I thought if you skip a season, you have to do 5 again? This is true ONLY IF you also do not play solo-team games (random partner-2v2's 3v3's 4v4's) because your 1v1 MMR is somehow linked to your Team-game MMR So if you didnt play 1v1 for a whole season and also did not play solo-team games, then yes, you would have to redo your 5 placement matches at the start of the new season Wait, really? I've never heard that your team games had anything to do with solo MMR. I've been matched with GM players on many occasions in solo masters teams and I'll tell you for damn sure I'm no GM in 1v1. I can't believe Blizzard would be as dumb to make MMR work like that... but then again, it IS Blizzard..
If u play teams in SEA, I think we're a special case since there are much less people who play... D;
Could be wrong though.
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Had a game today. guy was favored. My first attack @ 11 minutes i had a 60 food advantage on him. After game he was diamond : /
Early in the day I vs'd a previous-season GM player, I'm only mid-tier masters lol.
Last 5-6 games have been against people who should be gold but are diamond/masters, honestly i steamrolled them really really really hard.
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On April 11 2012 22:28 Najda wrote:I'm not sure if it's because my MMR is still unstable (only 16 games played total, 10 this season) or if it's the new matchmaking system, but in the new season I seem to be facing everyone from high Platinum to low master (I'm currently diamond). I'm curious if this just means it's a wider range period, or if it means that after each win the people you face get better more rapidly and vice versa. Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 22:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On April 11 2012 21:37 EnderSword wrote:
I guess i keep reading everything 'correcting' my statement on point #3 and I don't see the difference in what I'm saying and what you're saying.
At no point in #3 do i even mention favoured or not, and I explicitly say prior to that, of course favoured does not mean better.
I also don't mean an offset in terms of raw wins, but an offset in points. favoured certainly doesn't mean 0-4 vs 20-24 for most people. There's not only not an assumption that it mimics ELO, but the absolute ruling out of the idea that it mimics ELO, it wouldn't behave like that whatsoever if it mimiced an ELO system. In number 3, you say: "It's matching me only against better people!!" This might actually be true This cannot possibly be true. If the matchmaker is always matching you against better players, then your opponent is matched to a worse player (you). It is a contradiction of logic that everyone can be matched against better players. It is possible for it to be true for some people. If one person is improving rapidly, it's going to keep placing you against people who are 'better' than you (higher MMR) to find where you belong. Likewise, if someone is on the way down, it will put them against people who are worse than them to find their new home.
It's not true.
How quickly your MMR is increasing has no effect on who you are matched against, you are always matched against players in the range of your MMR +/- fudge factor, where the fudge factor is greater now than it was last season.
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On April 12 2012 17:52 boppel wrote:
so, finally blizzard killed SC2.
after all those ridiculous nerfs against my loved terran race, they implemented the most fucked up matchmaking system ever
match history:
game 1: me (s6 grandmaster, now master obv.) vs Platinum
game 2: vs diamond
game 3: diamond
game 4: diamon
game 5: master
game 6: master
game 7: platinum
game 8: diamon
game 9: master
game 10: master - grubby
game 11: master - hasuobs
game 12: platinum
game 13: platinum
game 14: GOLD!! LOOOOOOL
won 12 games out of those 14, i lost vs hasuobs and grubby
thx blizzard, for finally killing SC2, so i can enjoy my diablo 3 next month without regretting leaving sc2
Be sure to post your feelings in the Blizzard battle.net forums. They are definitely watching for reactions to how this is going.
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I wonder how are they going to sell this idea to new players. How are you going to get any fair practice if you are in bronze and have to play against gold/silver? I'm in bronze and out of 16 games 2 have been vs bronze. In the original Blizzard post on battle.net they said it would be "well rounded".
Sure...
EDIT: By "well rounded" they meant the gaming experience in general. For me it was kinda well rounded last season,
won ~60% of my games and most were vs high bronze to high silver. Some weirdness here and there but overall ok.
Now my winrate is more like 35%. Playing more vs golds that should be in plat than bronzes and getting roflstomped in most games isn't all that fun.
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Yea, the match making does not work for me right now. Last season I was winning 50% of my games vs other gold players. This season I have faced 6 platinums in a row. My record is not doing well…. Not sure who was complaining about games being too close or even, this simply seems like a really bad idea, imo.
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I actually like the fact that we are playing a variety of people... Makes it more interesting, so i know going into a ladder session i dont have to be totally focused, and can now relax... But thats just me, and i am just a casual gamer so...
edit: typos
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On April 12 2012 23:19 Myia wrote:
I actually like the fact that we are playing a variety of people... Makes it more interesting, so i know going into a ladder session i dont have to be totally focused, and can now relax... But thats just me, and i am just a casual gamer so...
edit: typos
The variety thing doesn't really work when you are in bronze because there simply are no lower league players to play against.
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maybe Blizz can make an option of the type of laddering u want.. the new version or the old version, cause i imagine a lot of pros that go in to ladder and play against mid masters to diamond and say wtf? i can practice here!, int the old version you could wait a few minutes but you normally found oponents according to your skill.. well its just a tes for this season, lets wait
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On April 12 2012 18:17 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 13:12 SupLilSon wrote:On April 11 2012 09:45 AGIANTSMURF wrote:On April 11 2012 09:32 awu25 wrote:
Did they change how placements work? I thought if you skip a season, you have to do 5 again? This is true ONLY IF you also do not play solo-team games (random partner-2v2's 3v3's 4v4's) because your 1v1 MMR is somehow linked to your Team-game MMR So if you didnt play 1v1 for a whole season and also did not play solo-team games, then yes, you would have to redo your 5 placement matches at the start of the new season Wait, really? I've never heard that your team games had anything to do with solo MMR. I've been matched with GM players on many occasions in solo masters teams and I'll tell you for damn sure I'm no GM in 1v1. I can't believe Blizzard would be as dumb to make MMR work like that... but then again, it IS Blizzard.. If u play teams in SEA, I think we're a special case since there are much less people who play... D; Could be wrong though.
You have to not play ANYTHING ranked for an entire season to have your MMR reset. In season 4 i only played teamgames - still only had to play 1 placement match for season 5. When I didn't use my alt account at all during season 5, I had to play 5 matches.
As for different MMRs being linked, afaik it only affects anything when you haven't been placed yet. For instance: when I started playing arranged 4v4 with my friends all our placement matches were against high masters in 4v4, since we were all high masters in 2v2 and 3v3.
I'd assume it's the same if you have only been ranked in teamgames before, but is playing your 1v1's for the first time.
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Why did they make this change? Was it to keep wait times short since fewer people play on the ladder now?
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Lysenko and Mendelfist are correct, and a lot of this stuff is already covered in the Ladder Guide. There's some inaccurate information in the OP that could lead to some confusion so I want to make sure that doesn't spiral out of control, and therefore I'll close this thread. I'll just repost my response to a "season 7 matchmaking reaction post" that appeared over on the Battle.net forums.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2112234276?page=8#149
The reason behind the expanded matchmaking range is known only to Blizzard, and we can only speculate. However, it is true that there are fewer active players now than in Season 1, and it's possible that wait times on average were long enough due to the reduced player pool that Blizzard decided to make this change. It's also possible that Blizzard is thinking ahead and expect fewer active players immediately after Diablo III launches, which will be in the second half of this season.
The mechanics behind the matchmaking change aren't specifically documented, either, but all signs seem to point toward a larger minimum search range both upward and downward. Let's say the old minimum search range was +/- 10% and now this season it's +/- 12%. That means you're just as likely to face players 12% better than you as 12% worse. The end result is that on the average, you will still play against players on your level because the chances of better or worse are still equal.
What I predict is that we'll see a lot more posts complaining about unfair matchmaking because players are going to be more likely to say "What the, I'm only Gold so why is a Diamond beating me? No wonder I lost!" without remembering the previous game where they beat a Bronze player. That's basic game psychology where losses are generally more memorable than wins.
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