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i just want to point out that baseball is not 'american'. romanians have been playing something similar since 1364.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oină.
also, when people say that US has no culture, they mean something like this: (random/bogus example) If CocaCola were to be invented by an irish living in US, it would not be considered something american.
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Bah people just love to hate America like we are the root of all evil in the world. Until we cut off our foreign aid to them that is then we essential to there livelihood.
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America have the biggest culture in term of number, but this culture is mostly mainstream and is considered less valuable for some.
For me America has been my biggest source of cultur in term of music, film, etc...
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People enjoy hating. That hating just happens to be directed at the US.
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Hmm, where do I create the thread to pat myself on the back?
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On January 21 2012 22:43 Monsen wrote:
Hmm, where do I create the thread to pat myself on the back?
Reddit
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On January 21 2012 22:36 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 22:32 mcc wrote:On January 21 2012 22:11 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 22:09 mcc wrote:On January 21 2012 21:57 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 21:55 mcc wrote:On January 21 2012 21:01 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 20:55 Khenra wrote:
When I visited New York the one thing that really struck me was the lack of old buildings. The few 'old' buildings in Manhattan are only like 200 years old. Compared to most cities in Europe, where you can find buildings over 400 years old everywhere in the city centres, that's quite a shocker.
In Europe our culture comes from very old traditions, going back hundreds of years. The civilized United States simply aren't that old. To the guy above saying that the United States are older than most countries in Europe: the names of the countries may have changed, but we had people living here for thousands of years. When the Europeans came to America they killed all the inhabitants, thus destroying any culture that was going on there. That's a part of our culture -- modernization. Nothing but the best. There are still some pretty old buildings in New York, especially the Churches and most notably Federal Hall, built in 1842, complete with the statue of George Washington, first President of the United States. You can be modern and still have aesthetically pleasing creations, but I am not really having a problem with New York, more with smaller cities and suburbs. Especially glaring is the copying of the styles of ancient Rome and Greece even in public buildings (White house I am looking at you  ). Why not use a style that actually fits into the surrounding terrain/plant-life/climate/existing architecture. But that is unfortunately not purely American problem, it is just more visible in US. But European architecture is damned beautiful. It would be folly to not go for that style. Should we have our own? Yeah, but not exclusively our own. It should be mixed in. Yes, but pick the European style that suits the environment. Roman-style is not appropriate for most of US. Haha, I had almost come to associate that style with the US government. They seem to use only that style a lot. But I think it's more of a dedication to one of the greatest democracies to ever exist. I'm sure that went through the building(s) designer(')s(') mind(s) when they decided on that. I don't know if by the greatest democracy to exist you mean Greece or Rome, but both were extremely poor democracies in modern standards. You could probably find better democracies than them in 1776. But as for the style I am sure it was meant exactly like that. I think it was a link to Rome more than to Greece, considering US is a republic and not a direct democracy. Also as far as I know creators of US system were more impressed with practical solutions of Romans as opposed to "purity" of Greek democracy. But still, it is a terrible style for non-Mediterranean climate. I mean Great in terms of power, and we borrow a lot of Greek and Roman styles. Indeed, in the founding of the USA we sought to be nothing like Rome or Greece. The Federalist Papers outline why democracy is bad, and republicanism is best (not the political parties, the political systems). I wonder what would work in America though? I suppose because of the various climates we would need a variety of architecture.
The D of I was also hugely based on the idea of the Enlightenment (according to some scholars anyway).
IMO the best system would be one which has more than two (massive) parties in the States. Not the fault of the infrastructure or the people, obviously.
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On January 21 2012 22:39 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 22:35 seiferoth10 wrote:On January 21 2012 22:30 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 22:28 seiferoth10 wrote:On January 21 2012 22:23 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 22:19 seiferoth10 wrote:On January 21 2012 22:15 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 22:04 Chargelot wrote:
A large economy and a large genitalia are very similar.
Both are desired.
Both can be used to rape and pillage.
Both are best when large, independent of the aforementioned rape.
Should we stop raping China and Mexico? Hell yes.
Does it make our economy "bad" because we do? No.
Is our economy "bad"? Compared to what it was, sure, but we're still doing a hell of a lot better than Tijuana ever was. I don't wanna say that your economy is at the level of a thrid world country, but it's just big, not good. On January 21 2012 22:06 mcc wrote:
America is the largest economy in the world.
This is just a fact, i don't see why we need to dispute that. It might not be like that forever, but that doesn't change the current fact of life. The USA is the largest economy in the entire world.
To actually go on and ridicule a person for being accurate is just...
That person also said wealth, which is far from true, so Thank you I'd love for you to prove that the US economy is similar to a majority of the third world countries, and by extension very different than the majority of first world countries. Good luck. I didn't say similiar to, I just said on the level of(wealthwise). "On the level of" doesn't mean "similar"? Uhh... you better practice your English. It doesn't. Let's say something stupid like: Roman armies in the year 0 were on the level of Japanese armies in the year 1600.(if that's true or not isn't important here) Now that they are on the same level in terms of fighting efficiency doesn't mean that they were similiar to each other. PS: ...you better practive your english Using your example: Roman armies in the year 0 were similar to Japanese armies in the year 1600 in terms of fighting efficiency. Roman armies in the year 0 were on the same level of Japanese armies in the year 1600 in terms of fighting efficiency. They mean the exact same thing... ... Think a second So they were on the same level in terms of fighting efficiency. BUT THEY WERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN MOST OTHER CATEGORIES. Do you get it now? If I would've ment to say that they are similiar then I would've said that, not that they are not on the same niveau.
Here's what you posted:
"I don't wanna say that your economy is at the level of a thrid world country, but it's just big, not good."
You didn't say "in terms of wealth" . You just said economy. Meaning you said "the US economy is on the same level of a third world country". You didn't specify specific attributes. You basically said "the US economy is surrounded by, or on the same level, of third world countries in their economy".
So, any proof?
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I honestly never heard someone say that any country had no culture.Must be a first.
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On January 21 2012 22:40 xM(Z wrote:i just want to point out that baseball is not 'american'. romanians have been playing something similar since 1364. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oină. also, when people say that US has no culture, they mean something like this: (random/bogus example) If CocaCola were to be invented by an irish living in US, it would not be considered something american.
by that measure, soccer was invented in china around 300BC.
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It is just a byproduct of the European culture.
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On January 21 2012 22:44 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 22:36 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 22:32 mcc wrote:On January 21 2012 22:11 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 22:09 mcc wrote:On January 21 2012 21:57 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 21:55 mcc wrote:On January 21 2012 21:01 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 20:55 Khenra wrote:
When I visited New York the one thing that really struck me was the lack of old buildings. The few 'old' buildings in Manhattan are only like 200 years old. Compared to most cities in Europe, where you can find buildings over 400 years old everywhere in the city centres, that's quite a shocker.
In Europe our culture comes from very old traditions, going back hundreds of years. The civilized United States simply aren't that old. To the guy above saying that the United States are older than most countries in Europe: the names of the countries may have changed, but we had people living here for thousands of years. When the Europeans came to America they killed all the inhabitants, thus destroying any culture that was going on there. That's a part of our culture -- modernization. Nothing but the best. There are still some pretty old buildings in New York, especially the Churches and most notably Federal Hall, built in 1842, complete with the statue of George Washington, first President of the United States. You can be modern and still have aesthetically pleasing creations, but I am not really having a problem with New York, more with smaller cities and suburbs. Especially glaring is the copying of the styles of ancient Rome and Greece even in public buildings (White house I am looking at you ). Why not use a style that actually fits into the surrounding terrain/plant-life/climate/existing architecture. But that is unfortunately not purely American problem, it is just more visible in US. But European architecture is damned beautiful. It would be folly to not go for that style. Should we have our own? Yeah, but not exclusively our own. It should be mixed in. Yes, but pick the European style that suits the environment. Roman-style is not appropriate for most of US. Haha, I had almost come to associate that style with the US government. They seem to use only that style a lot. But I think it's more of a dedication to one of the greatest democracies to ever exist. I'm sure that went through the building(s) designer(')s(') mind(s) when they decided on that. I don't know if by the greatest democracy to exist you mean Greece or Rome, but both were extremely poor democracies in modern standards. You could probably find better democracies than them in 1776. But as for the style I am sure it was meant exactly like that. I think it was a link to Rome more than to Greece, considering US is a republic and not a direct democracy. Also as far as I know creators of US system were more impressed with practical solutions of Romans as opposed to "purity" of Greek democracy. But still, it is a terrible style for non-Mediterranean climate. I mean Great in terms of power, and we borrow a lot of Greek and Roman styles. Indeed, in the founding of the USA we sought to be nothing like Rome or Greece. The Federalist Papers outline why democracy is bad, and republicanism is best (not the political parties, the political systems). I wonder what would work in America though? I suppose because of the various climates we would need a variety of architecture. The D of I was also hugely based on the idea of the Enlightenment (according to some scholars anyway). IMO the best system would be one which has more than two (massive) parties in the States. Not the fault of the infrastructure or the people, obviously.
I think he spoke about architectural styles, which one would work in US. And of course the answer is variety as the landscape and climate is so varied. The only plus of having one style is that it is easy to recognize government buildings, but that is not really such a big plus.
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On January 21 2012 22:43 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 22:31 KalWarkov wrote:
The difference is, that Europe has a larger varity of culture.
3000 years of history formed so many unique things, while America has 300 years of history, thats what America lacks a bit.
I guess what makes me speechless when europeans bash america for its relative lack of culture is the way they phrase it, as if it's our fault for not developing a culture as good as the one they have. We just happened to not have been around as long as they have. Whats so wrong about that? More importantly, how is it fair to even compare the culture of europe and the US? US is a giant amalgation of many different cultures. European countries like germany, france, belgium, etc are homogeonous groups of people who each share their own common set of values and characteristics (i.e culture). So how is it americans' and their ancestors' faults for not having the kind of "culture" that europeans are accustomed to? People enjoy hating. That hating just happens to be directed at the US.
Gemany and Italy weren't exactly one homogeonous country for as far back as we can remember but I agree with that.
Out of curiosity, how big of an impact do Native Americans have on the, "culture," of the current USA?
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On January 21 2012 22:48 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 22:44 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 21 2012 22:36 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 22:32 mcc wrote:On January 21 2012 22:11 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 22:09 mcc wrote:On January 21 2012 21:57 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 21:55 mcc wrote:On January 21 2012 21:01 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 20:55 Khenra wrote:
When I visited New York the one thing that really struck me was the lack of old buildings. The few 'old' buildings in Manhattan are only like 200 years old. Compared to most cities in Europe, where you can find buildings over 400 years old everywhere in the city centres, that's quite a shocker.
In Europe our culture comes from very old traditions, going back hundreds of years. The civilized United States simply aren't that old. To the guy above saying that the United States are older than most countries in Europe: the names of the countries may have changed, but we had people living here for thousands of years. When the Europeans came to America they killed all the inhabitants, thus destroying any culture that was going on there. That's a part of our culture -- modernization. Nothing but the best. There are still some pretty old buildings in New York, especially the Churches and most notably Federal Hall, built in 1842, complete with the statue of George Washington, first President of the United States. You can be modern and still have aesthetically pleasing creations, but I am not really having a problem with New York, more with smaller cities and suburbs. Especially glaring is the copying of the styles of ancient Rome and Greece even in public buildings (White house I am looking at you ). Why not use a style that actually fits into the surrounding terrain/plant-life/climate/existing architecture. But that is unfortunately not purely American problem, it is just more visible in US. But European architecture is damned beautiful. It would be folly to not go for that style. Should we have our own? Yeah, but not exclusively our own. It should be mixed in. Yes, but pick the European style that suits the environment. Roman-style is not appropriate for most of US. Haha, I had almost come to associate that style with the US government. They seem to use only that style a lot. But I think it's more of a dedication to one of the greatest democracies to ever exist. I'm sure that went through the building(s) designer(')s(') mind(s) when they decided on that. I don't know if by the greatest democracy to exist you mean Greece or Rome, but both were extremely poor democracies in modern standards. You could probably find better democracies than them in 1776. But as for the style I am sure it was meant exactly like that. I think it was a link to Rome more than to Greece, considering US is a republic and not a direct democracy. Also as far as I know creators of US system were more impressed with practical solutions of Romans as opposed to "purity" of Greek democracy. But still, it is a terrible style for non-Mediterranean climate. I mean Great in terms of power, and we borrow a lot of Greek and Roman styles. Indeed, in the founding of the USA we sought to be nothing like Rome or Greece. The Federalist Papers outline why democracy is bad, and republicanism is best (not the political parties, the political systems). I wonder what would work in America though? I suppose because of the various climates we would need a variety of architecture. The D of I was also hugely based on the idea of the Enlightenment (according to some scholars anyway). IMO the best system would be one which has more than two (massive) parties in the States. Not the fault of the infrastructure or the people, obviously. I think he spoke about architectural styles, which one would work in US. And of course the answer is variety as the landscape and climate is so varied. The only plus of having one style is that it is easy to recognize government buildings, but that is not really such a big plus.
I suspect in these times US government buildings would rather go unrecognized.
On January 21 2012 22:48 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 22:43 white_horse wrote:On January 21 2012 22:31 KalWarkov wrote:
The difference is, that Europe has a larger varity of culture.
3000 years of history formed so many unique things, while America has 300 years of history, thats what America lacks a bit.
I guess what makes me speechless when europeans bash america for its relative lack of culture is the way they phrase it, as if it's our fault for not developing a culture as good as the one they have. We just happened to not have been around as long as they have. Whats so wrong about that? More importantly, how is it fair to even compare the culture of europe and the US? US is a giant amalgation of many different cultures. European countries like germany, france, belgium, etc are homogeonous groups of people who each share their own common set of values and characteristics (i.e culture). So how is it americans' and their ancestors' faults for not having the kind of "culture" that europeans are accustomed to? People enjoy hating. That hating just happens to be directed at the US. Gemany and Italy weren't exactly one homogeonous country for as far back as we can remember but I agree with that. Out of curiosity, how big of an impact do Native Americans have on the, "culture," of the current USA?
Thanksgiving is one of the purely American holidays. We all know how full of bullshit the stories are, but we still celebrate it. It's something that unites all Americans. People of a hundred different cultures all stop and celebrate the fact that they're American.
Even if the natives didn't cause this directly, as the story tells us, they're still responsible for it indirectly.
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On January 21 2012 22:48 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 22:43 white_horse wrote:On January 21 2012 22:31 KalWarkov wrote:
The difference is, that Europe has a larger varity of culture.
3000 years of history formed so many unique things, while America has 300 years of history, thats what America lacks a bit.
I guess what makes me speechless when europeans bash america for its relative lack of culture is the way they phrase it, as if it's our fault for not developing a culture as good as the one they have. We just happened to not have been around as long as they have. Whats so wrong about that? More importantly, how is it fair to even compare the culture of europe and the US? US is a giant amalgation of many different cultures. European countries like germany, france, belgium, etc are homogeonous groups of people who each share their own common set of values and characteristics (i.e culture). So how is it americans' and their ancestors' faults for not having the kind of "culture" that europeans are accustomed to? People enjoy hating. That hating just happens to be directed at the US. Gemany and Italy weren't exactly one homogeonous country for as far back as we can remember but I agree with that. Out of curiosity, how big of an impact do Native Americans have on the, "culture," of the current USA?
They were still regions united by a common ancestry, cultural practices, language, etc.
As for Native American impact? I would say not that much, unfortunately.
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On January 21 2012 22:48 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 22:43 white_horse wrote:On January 21 2012 22:31 KalWarkov wrote:
The difference is, that Europe has a larger varity of culture.
3000 years of history formed so many unique things, while America has 300 years of history, thats what America lacks a bit.
I guess what makes me speechless when europeans bash america for its relative lack of culture is the way they phrase it, as if it's our fault for not developing a culture as good as the one they have. We just happened to not have been around as long as they have. Whats so wrong about that? More importantly, how is it fair to even compare the culture of europe and the US? US is a giant amalgation of many different cultures. European countries like germany, france, belgium, etc are homogeonous groups of people who each share their own common set of values and characteristics (i.e culture). So how is it americans' and their ancestors' faults for not having the kind of "culture" that europeans are accustomed to? People enjoy hating. That hating just happens to be directed at the US. Gemany and Italy weren't exactly one homogeonous country for as far back as we can remember but I agree with that. Out of curiosity, how big of an impact do Native Americans have on the, "culture," of the current USA?
Not very much. Maybe except as mascots for certain baseball teams lol.
Can we stay out of the subject of native americans? It's a source of another popular line of america-bashing.
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actually I have never heard of "america has no culture"
What I have heard of is "America has fast food culture"
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Americans have no culture? Lol
I can basically prove that wrong in 5 seconds by turning on the tv.
Or I could go across the street from my apartment right into a MC Donalds and then continue to the cinema next to it where 60-80 % of the films they are airing right now are from America.
They probably have the most influential culture in the world right now...
Just because it's not some ancient culture doesn't mean it's not culture.
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On January 21 2012 22:52 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 22:48 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 21 2012 22:43 white_horse wrote:On January 21 2012 22:31 KalWarkov wrote:
The difference is, that Europe has a larger varity of culture.
3000 years of history formed so many unique things, while America has 300 years of history, thats what America lacks a bit.
I guess what makes me speechless when europeans bash america for its relative lack of culture is the way they phrase it, as if it's our fault for not developing a culture as good as the one they have. We just happened to not have been around as long as they have. Whats so wrong about that? More importantly, how is it fair to even compare the culture of europe and the US? US is a giant amalgation of many different cultures. European countries like germany, france, belgium, etc are homogeonous groups of people who each share their own common set of values and characteristics (i.e culture). So how is it americans' and their ancestors' faults for not having the kind of "culture" that europeans are accustomed to? People enjoy hating. That hating just happens to be directed at the US. Gemany and Italy weren't exactly one homogeonous country for as far back as we can remember but I agree with that. Out of curiosity, how big of an impact do Native Americans have on the, "culture," of the current USA? Not very much. Maybe except as mascots for certain baseball teams lol. Can we stay out of the subject of native americans? It's a source of another popular line of america-bashing.
I prefer if we didn't stay out of Native Americans since the fact is that they still had a rich and vibrant culture for centuries, and should be a part of the fabric which makes America today, America.
Yes I know where you're coming from but the fact still stands that they were important historically, and are a part of the American lifestyle now (they are governed by the laws, etc).
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Some people are seriously trying to argue that the US economy is around the level of a 3rd world country :')
I worry for the sanity of the people on my continent.
I understand the need to bash America. It's been hard having to deal with the fact that we aren't the center of the world anymore.
But atleast keep your bashing grounded in some sense of reality. You might want to atleast once in your life take a plane to the USA, step of it, and realize that in fact there is a small difference between Zimbabwe and the USA.
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