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white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 13:04:47
January 21 2012 13:02 GMT
#241
On January 21 2012 22:00 SilentchiLL wrote:
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On January 21 2012 21:56 zalz wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:46 SilentchiLL wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:38 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:35 SilentchiLL wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:28 white_horse wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:03 voy wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.

In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world.



oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they didnt apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe

I have nothing against USA, but really, dont say stupid things.


Yeah it was just way to characterize how there wasn't a european style "country". I'm sure there was more than just trees on the north american continent, thanks for pointing that out.

to say that america doesn't have a culture is silly to begin with because there isn't an existing "american race" that has a "culture" that europeans would consider what they think is "developed" culture. The american culture that you see today is made up from immigrants. what is wrong about that and what is so wrong that the descendents of these immigrants don't have a culture that what you think is "developed"?


I think the problem is that america doesn't have one culture, it has many cultures as a multicultural country.
The Melting Pot didn't work, the salad bowl kinda did, and that's where you're at right now. Although many citizens of the USA have certain "american" things they share with each other you're still no fully american country, large parts of your people just belong to a country with many people from all over the world connected by certain "american" traditions and habits.
Notice that I'm not saying that there are no "american" americans, but large parts of your citizens consider themselves americans and others would say they are americans too, while they still kept parts of the culture of the countries they or their driect ancestors came from, which they don't share with most of their fellow americans.


Thank you for understanding this. American culture is made up of a thousand other cultures practiced within arms length of one another. It's a very rare occasion that I am in a room full of people who are just like me, and in truth, I prefer the diversity.


I don't only undestand you, I understand the guy you argued with too and partially, I agree with him(sorry).
One reason why there's a certain dislike of americans(not american individuals) in the world is that you see yourself as the #1, although america has many faults and that disproportional pride and nationalism is one of those faults(although a very human one).
For example, somebody here said that america is "[...]economically[...] the #1", he mentioned other things aswell, which might be wrong too, but I especially remember this one because it made me laugh(once again sorry) because of the HUGE export/import deficit america has and several other reasons.
Now that doesn't make you a bad people and especially not bad individuals, but you have to understand that this kind of attitude(which could be described as arrogance as one here did) doesn't really make you popular.


America is the largest economy in the world.

This is just a fact, i don't see why we need to dispute that. It might not be like that forever, but that doesn't change the current fact of life. The USA is the largest economy in the entire world.

To actually go on and ridicule a person for being accurate is just...



large=/=best

I think that should be obvious


Since when did he suggest that, because america has the largest economy in the world, america is also the best as well?

I'm almost convinced that europeans have their brains hard-wired to accuse americans of being arrogant and uptight whenever theres some kind of discussion that involves the US.
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mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
January 21 2012 13:03 GMT
#242
On January 21 2012 21:37 SilentchiLL wrote:
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On January 21 2012 21:31 Manit0u wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:22 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:20 Manit0u wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:15 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:14 Manit0u wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:12 SilentchiLL wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:09 zalz wrote:
It's just me or reaaaally in the USA people are learning like what happened every day in the USA since the XVIII century, but they dont now anything about european/asian history?


I have never in my life met even a single person in Holland that could give an accurate description of the US civil war.

I seriously believe that not even 10% of europeans could name the 2 sides in the US civil war.


That only means that your history(and maybe english) classes are pretty bad(this isn't ment as an insult here, I just thought that that claim and especially the number you gave are rediculous)


I know the sides and some of the reasons for that war, but no details (and mind you, I've been studying history for 3 years at the university). It's just so insignificant compared to the history of the rest of the world that except people who'd like to specialize in history of USA don't even bother to learn about it.


Do you know how much Polish history I've learned? There are very few parts of history which are universally relevant. Everyone has their own history that mostly everyone else doesn't learn.


Well, our histories are tied at some points
We even have the same heroes.


Thaddeus Kosciusko was described by Thomas Jefferson as the "Purest son of Liberty", and George Washington commented that "He served America with courage and distinction". He is called The Father of West Point and the Father of American Artillery.


And if I had ever taken an Eastern European History course, I'd probably have learned that. I think that's pretty cool that we have "ancient" connections.


You would have to take Central European History. Poland is not Eastern Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe


That actually suprised me, I would've considered Germany to be the(geographically) most eastern country of Central Europe and Poland the(geographically) most western country of eastern europe.

Czech republic is most definitely Central Europe and more to the east than Germany But I think if we tried to find a divide between Central and Eastern Europe we would probably end up with a line that goes somewhere in the middle of current Poland.
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
January 21 2012 13:04 GMT
#243
On January 21 2012 22:00 SilentchiLL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 21:56 zalz wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:46 SilentchiLL wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:38 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:35 SilentchiLL wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:28 white_horse wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:03 voy wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.

In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world.



oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they didnt apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe

I have nothing against USA, but really, dont say stupid things.


Yeah it was just way to characterize how there wasn't a european style "country". I'm sure there was more than just trees on the north american continent, thanks for pointing that out.

to say that america doesn't have a culture is silly to begin with because there isn't an existing "american race" that has a "culture" that europeans would consider what they think is "developed" culture. The american culture that you see today is made up from immigrants. what is wrong about that and what is so wrong that the descendents of these immigrants don't have a culture that what you think is "developed"?


I think the problem is that america doesn't have one culture, it has many cultures as a multicultural country.
The Melting Pot didn't work, the salad bowl kinda did, and that's where you're at right now. Although many citizens of the USA have certain "american" things they share with each other you're still no fully american country, large parts of your people just belong to a country with many people from all over the world connected by certain "american" traditions and habits.
Notice that I'm not saying that there are no "american" americans, but large parts of your citizens consider themselves americans and others would say they are americans too, while they still kept parts of the culture of the countries they or their driect ancestors came from, which they don't share with most of their fellow americans.


Thank you for understanding this. American culture is made up of a thousand other cultures practiced within arms length of one another. It's a very rare occasion that I am in a room full of people who are just like me, and in truth, I prefer the diversity.


I don't only undestand you, I understand the guy you argued with too and partially, I agree with him(sorry).
One reason why there's a certain dislike of americans(not american individuals) in the world is that you see yourself as the #1, although america has many faults and that disproportional pride and nationalism is one of those faults(although a very human one).
For example, somebody here said that america is "[...]economically[...] the #1", he mentioned other things aswell, which might be wrong too, but I especially remember this one because it made me laugh(once again sorry) because of the HUGE export/import deficit america has and several other reasons.
Now that doesn't make you a bad people and especially not bad individuals, but you have to understand that this kind of attitude(which could be described as arrogance as one here did) doesn't really make you popular.


America is the largest economy in the world.

This is just a fact, i don't see why we need to dispute that. It might not be like that forever, but that doesn't change the current fact of life. The USA is the largest economy in the entire world.

To actually go on and ridicule a person for being accurate is just...



large=/=best

I think that should be obvious


A large economy and a large genitalia are very similar.
Both are desired.
Both can be used to rape and pillage.
Both are best when large, independent of the aforementioned rape.

Should we stop raping China and Mexico? Hell yes.
Does it make our economy "bad" because we do? No.
Is our economy "bad"? Compared to what it was, sure, but we're still doing a hell of a lot better than Tijuana ever was.
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blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
January 21 2012 13:04 GMT
#244
Does America lack culture? No.
Do people in America lack culture? Many do.

I think by saying that "Country X has/doesn't have Y" is a bit of a sweeping generalization. I know people who are cultured, and people who are uncultured, both groups residing in America. I think the right phrase would be "Many People in America have no culture," which would be true, but the same could be said for many other countries as well.
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jamesdoc
Profile Joined January 2012
1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 13:05:44
January 21 2012 13:04 GMT
#245
that is not so true dude think about it check this out callingbook.com

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seansye
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1722 Posts
January 21 2012 13:04 GMT
#246
On January 21 2012 21:55 Chargelot wrote:
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On January 21 2012 21:45 Maxquatre wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:34 seansye wrote:
Anyways America is very young and it's creating its own unique culture and history everyday. Five hundred years from now, America will probably be compared to countries like Egypt, Rome, Greece, Great Brit, etc...



Yeah... no.

By the way, Rome isn't a country.


Ancient Rome was a lot more than a country.


My history sucks =X.

Btw Europe is not a country either, but when it comes to being compared to America, you guys sure seem to unite.
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aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 21 2012 13:06 GMT
#247
As a Native American I would like to say the USA has a lot of culture that is just as old, if not older than most of European culture. People in here are saying the USA just got it's culture from other places. While this may be true, where do you think those other places got their culture from? Greece invaded many countries and it's influence impacted the culture of those places (Alexandria, Egypt anyone?), Rome invaded many countries and it's influence heavily impacted those cultures (England hihi), and there are more examples all throughout history. I think most people are confusing culture with history. History is something that effects culture, but culture is not history. France controlling parts of current USA and Canada has effected the current culture of those places.

Not many people of today live life the same way as their ancestors did. I don't see many druids running around the UK lately, or any slaves building pyramids in Egypt, or tyrannical Emperors fucking shit up in Italy. Modern culture, now more than ever, is becoming very blurred between countries. Of course everybody will still have their differences, easily noted in the different accents and fashions within different parts of any country. But with the internet and how much we communicate, everybody is assimilated everybody else's cultures, becoming a World Culture.

If you look at the wikipedia article for culture it states this as the definitions:

Excellence of taste in the fine arts and humanities, also known as high culture
An integrated pattern of human knowledge, belief, and behavior that depends upon the capacity for symbolic thought and social learning
The set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution, organization, or group

None of these descriptions has anything to do with age of a culture. If you look at those definitions, the USA has many cultures, which are all part of the national culture, which is part of the global culture. History effects our current culture, but we all share our history in some way. The age of a nation has nothing to do with it's culture at all.
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mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
January 21 2012 13:06 GMT
#248
On January 21 2012 21:56 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 21:46 SilentchiLL wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:38 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:35 SilentchiLL wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:28 white_horse wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:03 voy wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.

In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world.



oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they didnt apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe

I have nothing against USA, but really, dont say stupid things.


Yeah it was just way to characterize how there wasn't a european style "country". I'm sure there was more than just trees on the north american continent, thanks for pointing that out.

to say that america doesn't have a culture is silly to begin with because there isn't an existing "american race" that has a "culture" that europeans would consider what they think is "developed" culture. The american culture that you see today is made up from immigrants. what is wrong about that and what is so wrong that the descendents of these immigrants don't have a culture that what you think is "developed"?


I think the problem is that america doesn't have one culture, it has many cultures as a multicultural country.
The Melting Pot didn't work, the salad bowl kinda did, and that's where you're at right now. Although many citizens of the USA have certain "american" things they share with each other you're still no fully american country, large parts of your people just belong to a country with many people from all over the world connected by certain "american" traditions and habits.
Notice that I'm not saying that there are no "american" americans, but large parts of your citizens consider themselves americans and others would say they are americans too, while they still kept parts of the culture of the countries they or their driect ancestors came from, which they don't share with most of their fellow americans.


Thank you for understanding this. American culture is made up of a thousand other cultures practiced within arms length of one another. It's a very rare occasion that I am in a room full of people who are just like me, and in truth, I prefer the diversity.


I don't only undestand you, I understand the guy you argued with too and partially, I agree with him(sorry).
One reason why there's a certain dislike of americans(not american individuals) in the world is that you see yourself as the #1, although america has many faults and that disproportional pride and nationalism is one of those faults(although a very human one).
For example, somebody here said that america is "[...]economically[...] the #1", he mentioned other things aswell, which might be wrong too, but I especially remember this one because it made me laugh(once again sorry) because of the HUGE export/import deficit america has and several other reasons.
Now that doesn't make you a bad people and especially not bad individuals, but you have to understand that this kind of attitude(which could be described as arrogance as one here did) doesn't really make you popular.


America is the largest economy in the world.

This is just a fact, i don't see why we need to dispute that. It might not be like that forever, but that doesn't change the current fact of life. The USA is the largest economy in the entire world.

To actually go on and ridicule a person for being accurate is just...

That person also said wealth, which is far from true, so
zachMEISTER
Profile Joined December 2010
United States625 Posts
January 21 2012 13:07 GMT
#249
I've actually heard this more often than otherwise. In fact, I'm one of the culprits..though I never claimed we have no culture, I claimed our culture is bad. Drugs, Hippies, War: that's what I saw as American culture. Though you put things in a different light. And I agree with you.


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Maxquatre
Profile Joined April 2011
France493 Posts
January 21 2012 13:08 GMT
#250
On January 21 2012 22:04 seansye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 21:55 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:45 Maxquatre wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:34 seansye wrote:
Anyways America is very young and it's creating its own unique culture and history everyday. Five hundred years from now, America will probably be compared to countries like Egypt, Rome, Greece, Great Brit, etc...



Yeah... no.

By the way, Rome isn't a country.


Ancient Rome was a lot more than a country.


My history sucks =X.

Btw Europe is not a country either, but when it comes to being compared to America, you guys sure seem to unite.


That's because if you add all the countries of the European Union, you have something that could be compared to how the US (and its states) would work.
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
January 21 2012 13:08 GMT
#251
On January 21 2012 22:04 seansye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 21:55 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:45 Maxquatre wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:34 seansye wrote:
Anyways America is very young and it's creating its own unique culture and history everyday. Five hundred years from now, America will probably be compared to countries like Egypt, Rome, Greece, Great Brit, etc...



Yeah... no.

By the way, Rome isn't a country.


Ancient Rome was a lot more than a country.


My history sucks =X.

Btw Europe is not a country either, but when it comes to being compared to America, you guys sure seem to unite.


Because Europe and America have a lot in common, on a meta level. For example:

Europe is full of rich cultures, possibly hundreds across the continent.
America is full of these same rich cultures, possibly hundreds across the nation.

It's interesting how America seems to almost act as a continent of small nations rather than a country of small states.
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
January 21 2012 13:08 GMT
#252
I live here and unfortunately revel in making "America has no culture arguments"
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mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
January 21 2012 13:09 GMT
#253
On January 21 2012 21:57 Chargelot wrote:
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On January 21 2012 21:55 mcc wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:01 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 20:55 Khenra wrote:
When I visited New York the one thing that really struck me was the lack of old buildings. The few 'old' buildings in Manhattan are only like 200 years old. Compared to most cities in Europe, where you can find buildings over 400 years old everywhere in the city centres, that's quite a shocker.

In Europe our culture comes from very old traditions, going back hundreds of years. The civilized United States simply aren't that old. To the guy above saying that the United States are older than most countries in Europe: the names of the countries may have changed, but we had people living here for thousands of years. When the Europeans came to America they killed all the inhabitants, thus destroying any culture that was going on there.


That's a part of our culture -- modernization. Nothing but the best. There are still some pretty old buildings in New York, especially the Churches and most notably Federal Hall, built in 1842, complete with the statue of George Washington, first President of the United States.

You can be modern and still have aesthetically pleasing creations, but I am not really having a problem with New York, more with smaller cities and suburbs. Especially glaring is the copying of the styles of ancient Rome and Greece even in public buildings (White house I am looking at you ). Why not use a style that actually fits into the surrounding terrain/plant-life/climate/existing architecture. But that is unfortunately not purely American problem, it is just more visible in US.


But European architecture is damned beautiful. It would be folly to not go for that style. Should we have our own? Yeah, but not exclusively our own. It should be mixed in.

Yes, but pick the European style that suits the environment. Roman-style is not appropriate for most of US.
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
January 21 2012 13:11 GMT
#254
On January 21 2012 22:09 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 21:57 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:55 mcc wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:01 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 20:55 Khenra wrote:
When I visited New York the one thing that really struck me was the lack of old buildings. The few 'old' buildings in Manhattan are only like 200 years old. Compared to most cities in Europe, where you can find buildings over 400 years old everywhere in the city centres, that's quite a shocker.

In Europe our culture comes from very old traditions, going back hundreds of years. The civilized United States simply aren't that old. To the guy above saying that the United States are older than most countries in Europe: the names of the countries may have changed, but we had people living here for thousands of years. When the Europeans came to America they killed all the inhabitants, thus destroying any culture that was going on there.


That's a part of our culture -- modernization. Nothing but the best. There are still some pretty old buildings in New York, especially the Churches and most notably Federal Hall, built in 1842, complete with the statue of George Washington, first President of the United States.

You can be modern and still have aesthetically pleasing creations, but I am not really having a problem with New York, more with smaller cities and suburbs. Especially glaring is the copying of the styles of ancient Rome and Greece even in public buildings (White house I am looking at you ). Why not use a style that actually fits into the surrounding terrain/plant-life/climate/existing architecture. But that is unfortunately not purely American problem, it is just more visible in US.


But European architecture is damned beautiful. It would be folly to not go for that style. Should we have our own? Yeah, but not exclusively our own. It should be mixed in.

Yes, but pick the European style that suits the environment. Roman-style is not appropriate for most of US.


Haha, I had almost come to associate that style with the US government. They seem to use only that style a lot. But I think it's more of a dedication to one of the greatest democracies to ever exist. I'm sure that went through the building(s) designer(')s(') mind(s) when they decided on that.
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SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 13:14:16
January 21 2012 13:12 GMT
#255
On January 21 2012 21:57 white_horse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2012 21:46 SilentchiLL wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:38 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:35 SilentchiLL wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:28 white_horse wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:03 voy wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.

In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world.



oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they didnt apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe

I have nothing against USA, but really, dont say stupid things.


Yeah it was just way to characterize how there wasn't a european style "country". I'm sure there was more than just trees on the north american continent, thanks for pointing that out.

to say that america doesn't have a culture is silly to begin with because there isn't an existing "american race" that has a "culture" that europeans would consider what they think is "developed" culture. The american culture that you see today is made up from immigrants. what is wrong about that and what is so wrong that the descendents of these immigrants don't have a culture that what you think is "developed"?


I think the problem is that america doesn't have one culture, it has many cultures as a multicultural country.
The Melting Pot didn't work, the salad bowl kinda did, and that's where you're at right now. Although many citizens of the USA have certain "american" things they share with each other you're still no fully american country, large parts of your people just belong to a country with many people from all over the world connected by certain "american" traditions and habits.
Notice that I'm not saying that there are no "american" americans, but large parts of your citizens consider themselves americans and others would say they are americans too, while they still kept parts of the culture of the countries they or their driect ancestors came from, which they don't share with most of their fellow americans.


Thank you for understanding this. American culture is made up of a thousand other cultures practiced within arms length of one another. It's a very rare occasion that I am in a room full of people who are just like me, and in truth, I prefer the diversity.


I don't only undestand you, I understand the guy you argued with too and partially, I agree with him(sorry).
One reason why there's a certain dislike of americans(not american individuals) in the world is that you see yourself as the #1, although america has many faults and that disproportional pride and nationalism is one of those faults(although a very human one).
For example, somebody here said that america is "[...]economically[...] the #1", he mentioned other things aswell, which might be wrong too, but I especially remember this one because it made me laugh(once again sorry) because of the HUGE export/import deficit america has and several other reasons.
Now that doesn't make you a bad people and especially not bad individuals, but you have to understand that this kind of attitude(which could be described as arrogance as one here did) doesn't really make you popular.


So talking about facts suddenly make me the stereotypical arrogant american? Might as well just tell me that you think all americans have some kind of high-horse attitude. America has the biggest economy in the world and the strongest military in the world. Those are facts. Does reading those lines make your stomach hurt? Then you have a complex.

Anyways, did I say that "USA is the strongest and we can do anything we want because everyone else sucks"? I was simply stating in my previous post that because america is a global hegemony, a lot of people find that as a reason to hate it. There are people in china, korea, japan, parts of middle east, parts of europe who bash america yet they want to send their kids there to study at american universities or they want to immigrate there. If that isn't jealousy or a complex I don't what is.



...
There's a reason why I mentioned no names, I didn't mean you personally I ment that attitude in general and to be honest if you took offense in my post you might have to think about yourself a bit and if you don't have a lil complex yourself.
"OH NO HE SAID SOMETHING AGAINST THE USA HE'S JUST JEALOUS."
Calm down man, the world isn't tottally jealous of you, maybe in some third world countries, but that's about it.
And as you said
There are people

not a majority, and just because they want to immigrate to america doesn't mean that they're jealous of you.
Yes america has some good universities(some of the best), but america is also a huge country so it would be quite a shame if it wouldn't have good universities(Germany is smaller than some of your states alone).
There are a shitton of people who study in Germany(yes Americans too) and want to immigrate here, does that mean that they are jealous?
NO, it means they go where they have good possibilities to get a good education for what they are interested in.
And America isn't a big economical player because you have such a great economy, you just import a lot from other countries(which is bad for you...) and you are pretty damn big, without the other countries which support you(e.g. China) you would've gone down long ago, but they don't want that because there's a big market in America for the stuff they produce(for the German economy too).
And I can already see you writing:
"Well Germany would be fucked without other countries too, because you guys need people to buy your shit!"
Yeah, but that's because we are more succesful than you guys and can actually rely on people buying our products enough that it's not that bad that we rely on people buying stuff from us(although that means ofc that letting them go down (EUROPE ZONE!) would be bad for us).

On January 21 2012 22:02 white_horse wrote:

Since when did he suggest that, because america has the largest economy in the world, america is also the best as well?

I'm almost convinced that europeans have their brains hard-wired to accuse americans of being arrogant and uptight whenever theres some kind of discussion that involves the US.


That may be because the first thing that usually comes from americans is:
THAT'S NOT TRUE, YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS!
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aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 21 2012 13:12 GMT
#256
On January 21 2012 22:11 Chargelot wrote:
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On January 21 2012 22:09 mcc wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:57 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:55 mcc wrote:
On January 21 2012 21:01 Chargelot wrote:
On January 21 2012 20:55 Khenra wrote:
When I visited New York the one thing that really struck me was the lack of old buildings. The few 'old' buildings in Manhattan are only like 200 years old. Compared to most cities in Europe, where you can find buildings over 400 years old everywhere in the city centres, that's quite a shocker.

In Europe our culture comes from very old traditions, going back hundreds of years. The civilized United States simply aren't that old. To the guy above saying that the United States are older than most countries in Europe: the names of the countries may have changed, but we had people living here for thousands of years. When the Europeans came to America they killed all the inhabitants, thus destroying any culture that was going on there.


That's a part of our culture -- modernization. Nothing but the best. There are still some pretty old buildings in New York, especially the Churches and most notably Federal Hall, built in 1842, complete with the statue of George Washington, first President of the United States.

You can be modern and still have aesthetically pleasing creations, but I am not really having a problem with New York, more with smaller cities and suburbs. Especially glaring is the copying of the styles of ancient Rome and Greece even in public buildings (White house I am looking at you ). Why not use a style that actually fits into the surrounding terrain/plant-life/climate/existing architecture. But that is unfortunately not purely American problem, it is just more visible in US.


But European architecture is damned beautiful. It would be folly to not go for that style. Should we have our own? Yeah, but not exclusively our own. It should be mixed in.

Yes, but pick the European style that suits the environment. Roman-style is not appropriate for most of US.


Haha, I had almost come to associate that style with the US government. They seem to use only that style a lot. But I think it's more of a dedication to one of the greatest democracies to ever exist. I'm sure that went through the building(s) designer(')s(') mind(s) when they decided on that.


That's actually more of an Ancient Greek style. Ancient being the key word.
Wahaha
Bazzyrick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom361 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 13:15:07
January 21 2012 13:14 GMT
#257
Oh look, a Europe vs America thread. Because that's the one thing we needed on the internet!

I don't care what anyone says.
South Korea is better than both places, I want to live there

Edit: SOUTH Korea for sure
You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it.
SilentchiLL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 13:17:26
January 21 2012 13:15 GMT
#258
On January 21 2012 22:04 Chargelot wrote:

A large economy and a large genitalia are very similar.
Both are desired.
Both can be used to rape and pillage.
Both are best when large, independent of the aforementioned rape.

Should we stop raping China and Mexico? Hell yes.
Does it make our economy "bad" because we do? No.
Is our economy "bad"? Compared to what it was, sure, but we're still doing a hell of a lot better than Tijuana ever was.



I don't wanna say that your economy is at the level of a thrid world country, but it's just big, not good.

On January 21 2012 22:06 mcc wrote:

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America is the largest economy in the world.

This is just a fact, i don't see why we need to dispute that. It might not be like that forever, but that doesn't change the current fact of life. The USA is the largest economy in the entire world.

To actually go on and ridicule a person for being accurate is just...

That person also said wealth, which is far from true, so


Thank you
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Tdelamay
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada548 Posts
January 21 2012 13:15 GMT
#259
I honestly don't care about culture. Culture isn't something material that can be destroyed. It's who you are.

Anyone that tells you someone has no culture is a fool.
This road isn't leading anywhere...
Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
January 21 2012 13:16 GMT
#260
On January 21 2012 22:14 Tristran wrote:
Oh look, a Europe vs America thread. Because that's the one thing we needed on the internet!

I don't care what anyone says.
South Korea is better than both places, I want to live there

Edit: SOUTH Korea for sure


Did you accidentally say North?
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