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On January 21 2012 21:15 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:14 Manit0u wrote:On January 21 2012 21:12 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 21:09 zalz wrote:It's just me or reaaaally in the USA people are learning like what happened every day in the USA since the XVIII century, but they dont now anything about european/asian history? I have never in my life met even a single person in Holland that could give an accurate description of the US civil war. I seriously believe that not even 10% of europeans could name the 2 sides in the US civil war. That only means that your history(and maybe english) classes are pretty bad(this isn't ment as an insult here, I just thought that that claim and especially the number you gave are rediculous) I know the sides and some of the reasons for that war, but no details (and mind you, I've been studying history for 3 years at the university). It's just so insignificant compared to the history of the rest of the world that except people who'd like to specialize in history of USA don't even bother to learn about it. Do you know how much Polish history I've learned? There are very few parts of history which are universally relevant. Everyone has their own history that mostly everyone else doesn't learn.
Well, our histories are tied at some points 
We even have the same heroes.
Thaddeus Kosciusko was described by Thomas Jefferson as the "Purest son of Liberty", and George Washington commented that "He served America with courage and distinction". He is called The Father of West Point and the Father of American Artillery.
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On January 21 2012 21:13 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:11 Kotreb wrote:On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc. There are always people who hate whoevers on top, and it doesn't have to be about just countries.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world. Seriously? this has got to be a joke...believe it or not, almost no one is jealous of your "#1" position...contrary to the popular belief in America, Europeans do NOT strive to be like you. And think again if you believe that you're #1 in terms of wealth or economy...considering that the latest news report that the unemployment rate is ~50% in America and a lot of business are going down :/ To further address this, the unemployment rate is officially 8.5%. What the fuck kind of news do you people get over there?
Than you have my apologies about the unemployment rate, i was wrong. But I still stand behind my statement that you are not leading economical force because there are more stable and self-preserving economies (Norway, Sweden, Turkey and India are rising pretty fast...)
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On January 21 2012 21:05 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:01 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 20:55 Khenra wrote:
When I visited New York the one thing that really struck me was the lack of old buildings. The few 'old' buildings in Manhattan are only like 200 years old. Compared to most cities in Europe, where you can find buildings over 400 years old everywhere in the city centres, that's quite a shocker.
In Europe our culture comes from very old traditions, going back hundreds of years. The civilized United States simply aren't that old. To the guy above saying that the United States are older than most countries in Europe: the names of the countries may have changed, but we had people living here for thousands of years. When the Europeans came to America they killed all the inhabitants, thus destroying any culture that was going on there. That's a part of our culture -- modernization. Nothing but the best. There are still some pretty old buildings in New York, especially the Churches and most notably Federal Hall, built in 1842, complete with the statue of George Washington, first President of the United States. 1842 isn't that old though, for example in Amsterdam you have mutiple buildings from the 16th and 17th century and there are cities that have way older buildings ( Rome, Athens). So while 1842 is a while ago it's not nearly as long as buildings in Europe which is only a logical consequence of not excisting as long obviously.
America is lacking many of the cultural aspects. There are some unique stuff, but so few. ( ye there is basketball and stuff but they are not the only sports in the world that is unique for one culture )
For example , do americans have marriage traditions, or a history of cannon forgery, a building style or unique clothes ?
Modernisation is not an aspect of culture, since culture relates to old common actions in the past. Were you modernising everything even in your oldest past (which isnt even past enough, since some cultural events relate to 14 thousand years ago, I can tell you one if you ask)?
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On January 21 2012 21:20 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:15 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 21:14 Manit0u wrote:On January 21 2012 21:12 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 21:09 zalz wrote:It's just me or reaaaally in the USA people are learning like what happened every day in the USA since the XVIII century, but they dont now anything about european/asian history? I have never in my life met even a single person in Holland that could give an accurate description of the US civil war. I seriously believe that not even 10% of europeans could name the 2 sides in the US civil war. That only means that your history(and maybe english) classes are pretty bad(this isn't ment as an insult here, I just thought that that claim and especially the number you gave are rediculous) I know the sides and some of the reasons for that war, but no details (and mind you, I've been studying history for 3 years at the university). It's just so insignificant compared to the history of the rest of the world that except people who'd like to specialize in history of USA don't even bother to learn about it. Do you know how much Polish history I've learned? There are very few parts of history which are universally relevant. Everyone has their own history that mostly everyone else doesn't learn. Well, our histories are tied at some points We even have the same heroes. Show nested quote +
Thaddeus Kosciusko was described by Thomas Jefferson as the "Purest son of Liberty", and George Washington commented that "He served America with courage and distinction". He is called The Father of West Point and the Father of American Artillery.
And if I had ever taken an Eastern European History course, I'd probably have learned that. I think that's pretty cool that we have "ancient" connections.
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On January 21 2012 21:09 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +It's just me or reaaaally in the USA people are learning like what happened every day in the USA since the XVIII century, but they dont now anything about european/asian history? I have never in my life met even a single person in Holland that could give an accurate description of the US civil war. I seriously believe that not even 10% of europeans could name the 2 sides in the US civil war.
i dont know about that, we've learnt the US civil war in highschool
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On January 21 2012 21:13 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:11 Kotreb wrote:On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc. There are always people who hate whoevers on top, and it doesn't have to be about just countries.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world. Seriously? this has got to be a joke...believe it or not, almost no one is jealous of your "#1" position...contrary to the popular belief in America, Europeans do NOT strive to be like you. And think again if you believe that you're #1 in terms of wealth or economy...considering that the latest news report that the unemployment rate is ~50% in America and a lot of business are going down :/ To further address this, the unemployment rate is officially 8.5%. What the fuck kind of news do you people get over there?
Maybe he ment the unemployment rate of the youth?
Last number I remember is the unemployment rate of the black youth, which was about 50%, no idea how high it is now
EDIT: Google says I'm right, but to clarify that this post wasn't about racism,
The rate for whites decreased by 1.0 percentage
point to 62.2 percent.
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On January 21 2012 21:04 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:03 voy wrote:On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world. oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they did apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe No, they left Europe and then broke political connections through military action. There's a qualitative difference. It's important to now separate the two factions that existed after settlement. The Europeans loyal to Europe, and the Europeans loyal to this new land.
Neither of those two factions existed... ever. They didn't even exist in a figurative sense. That is a completely romanticized and made up oversimplification of what actually happened and what made people leave Europe to America or side with that "military action" against European imperialism.
Do you really think that most of the Irish people that left to America felt no connection or loyalty towards their homeland and culture? That would be very ironic considering that loyalty is actually a huge part of why they had to leave in the first place. Do Jewish people share no connection or loyalty to their culture and tradition?
Even today, a big part of US population is very aware of their real cultural origin and actively embraces it.
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America has the best culture if you ask me
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On January 21 2012 21:24 mdb wrote:America has the best culture if you ask me
Which aspect of it is better than others? Advertising is not culture.
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On January 21 2012 21:03 voy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world. oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they didnt apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe I have nothing against USA, but really, dont say stupid things.
Yeah it was just way to characterize how there wasn't a european style "country". I'm sure there was more than just trees on the north american continent, thanks for pointing that out.
to say that america doesn't have a culture is silly to begin with because there isn't an existing "american race" that has a "culture" that europeans would consider what they think is "developed" culture. The american culture that you see today is made up from immigrants. what is wrong about that and what is so wrong that the descendents of these immigrants don't have a culture that what you think is "developed"?
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On January 21 2012 21:24 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:04 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 21:03 voy wrote:On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world. oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they did apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe No, they left Europe and then broke political connections through military action. There's a qualitative difference. It's important to now separate the two factions that existed after settlement. The Europeans loyal to Europe, and the Europeans loyal to this new land. Neither of those two factions existed... ever. They didn't even exist in a figurative sense. That is a completely romanticized and made up oversimplification of what actually happened and what made people leave Europe to America or side with that "military action" against European imperialism. Do you really think that most of the Irish people that left to America felt no connection or loyalty towards their homeland and culture? That would be very ironic considering that loyalty is actually a huge part of why they had to leave in the first place. -__-
Study actual American history from pre-Revolutionary War to the ratification of the Constitution, and make sure you read all of the Federalist papers.
On January 21 2012 21:27 IveReturned wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:24 mdb wrote:America has the best culture if you ask me Which aspect of it is better than others? Advertising is not culture.
They have no advertisements in Turkey?
I will get on a plane right now and declare my undying loyalty to the Turkish people.
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On January 21 2012 21:22 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:20 Manit0u wrote:On January 21 2012 21:15 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 21:14 Manit0u wrote:On January 21 2012 21:12 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 21:09 zalz wrote:It's just me or reaaaally in the USA people are learning like what happened every day in the USA since the XVIII century, but they dont now anything about european/asian history? I have never in my life met even a single person in Holland that could give an accurate description of the US civil war. I seriously believe that not even 10% of europeans could name the 2 sides in the US civil war. That only means that your history(and maybe english) classes are pretty bad(this isn't ment as an insult here, I just thought that that claim and especially the number you gave are rediculous) I know the sides and some of the reasons for that war, but no details (and mind you, I've been studying history for 3 years at the university). It's just so insignificant compared to the history of the rest of the world that except people who'd like to specialize in history of USA don't even bother to learn about it. Do you know how much Polish history I've learned? There are very few parts of history which are universally relevant. Everyone has their own history that mostly everyone else doesn't learn. Well, our histories are tied at some points We even have the same heroes.
Thaddeus Kosciusko was described by Thomas Jefferson as the "Purest son of Liberty", and George Washington commented that "He served America with courage and distinction". He is called The Father of West Point and the Father of American Artillery.
And if I had ever taken an Eastern European History course, I'd probably have learned that. I think that's pretty cool that we have "ancient" connections.
You would have to take Central European History. Poland is not Eastern Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
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On January 21 2012 21:31 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:22 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 21:20 Manit0u wrote:On January 21 2012 21:15 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 21:14 Manit0u wrote:On January 21 2012 21:12 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 21:09 zalz wrote:It's just me or reaaaally in the USA people are learning like what happened every day in the USA since the XVIII century, but they dont now anything about european/asian history? I have never in my life met even a single person in Holland that could give an accurate description of the US civil war. I seriously believe that not even 10% of europeans could name the 2 sides in the US civil war. That only means that your history(and maybe english) classes are pretty bad(this isn't ment as an insult here, I just thought that that claim and especially the number you gave are rediculous) I know the sides and some of the reasons for that war, but no details (and mind you, I've been studying history for 3 years at the university). It's just so insignificant compared to the history of the rest of the world that except people who'd like to specialize in history of USA don't even bother to learn about it. Do you know how much Polish history I've learned? There are very few parts of history which are universally relevant. Everyone has their own history that mostly everyone else doesn't learn. Well, our histories are tied at some points We even have the same heroes.
Thaddeus Kosciusko was described by Thomas Jefferson as the "Purest son of Liberty", and George Washington commented that "He served America with courage and distinction". He is called The Father of West Point and the Father of American Artillery.
And if I had ever taken an Eastern European History course, I'd probably have learned that. I think that's pretty cool that we have "ancient" connections. You would have to take Central European History. Poland is not Eastern Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
History courses in my land don't usually separate Europe into Western/Central/Eastern, just West/East.
At least from what I've seen, I'm sure there's someone out there in a Central European History course.
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On January 21 2012 21:11 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:09 HoldenR wrote:On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc. There are always people who hate whoevers on top, and it doesn't have to be about just countries.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world. You cannot dismiss everyone's critic as saying "well it must just because you're jealous because we're better than you!!" This is why the rest of the world hates your country. The "A" in USA might as well stand for arrogance, and it's people like you who make the rest of the world hate you. Be proud. And now every point you made in this thread is irrelevant, because you've just proven you only made said points because you hate America and Americans. Thanks for stooping to his level. You do your people great justice when you do that.
You take issue with the reply but not with the initial post?
So I assume that you believe that people that dislike America are just jealous?
Every post you have made in this thread is thus irrelevant.
PS. I felt really stupid typing that, I hope you felt the same (but i suspect you didn't).
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I don't think Americans care whether they have their own culture or not. More likely, most people in America stem from so many different nationalities ( we are the most diverse country in the world, are we not?) they adopt their families original heritage.
Anyways America is very young and it's creating its own unique culture and history everyday. Five hundred years from now, America will probably be compared to countries like Egypt, Rome, Greece, Great Brit, etc...
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On January 21 2012 21:33 kobrakai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:11 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 21:09 HoldenR wrote:On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc. There are always people who hate whoevers on top, and it doesn't have to be about just countries.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world. You cannot dismiss everyone's critic as saying "well it must just because you're jealous because we're better than you!!" This is why the rest of the world hates your country. The "A" in USA might as well stand for arrogance, and it's people like you who make the rest of the world hate you. Be proud. And now every point you made in this thread is irrelevant, because you've just proven you only made said points because you hate America and Americans. Thanks for stooping to his level. You do your people great justice when you do that. You take issue with the reply but not with the initial post? So I assume that you believe that people that dislike America are just jealous? Every post you have made in this thread is thus irrelevant. PS. I felt really stupid typing that, I hope you felt the same (but i suspect you didn't).
I said you stooped to his level, implying his level was quite low. You and he took the same path, a stupid one based on nationalist pride.
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On January 21 2012 21:28 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:03 voy wrote:On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world. oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they didnt apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe I have nothing against USA, but really, dont say stupid things. Yeah it was just way to characterize how there wasn't a european style "country". I'm sure there was more than just trees on the north american continent, thanks for pointing that out. to say that america doesn't have a culture is silly to begin with because there isn't an existing "american race" that has a "culture" that europeans would consider what they think is "developed" culture. The american culture that you see today is made up from immigrants. what is wrong about that and what is so wrong that the descendents of these immigrants don't have a culture that what you think is "developed"?
I think the problem is that america doesn't have one culture, it has many cultures as a multicultural country.
The Melting Pot didn't work, the salad bowl kinda did, and that's where you're at right now. Although many citizens of the USA have certain "american" things they share with each other you're still no fully american country, large parts of your people just belong to a country with many people from all over the world connected by certain "american" traditions and habits.
Notice that I'm not saying that there are no "american" americans, but large parts of your citizens consider themselves americans and others would say they are americans too, while they still kept parts of the culture of the countries they or their driect ancestors came from, which they don't share with most of their fellow americans.
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On January 21 2012 21:24 mdb wrote:America has the best culture if you ask me
America is so culturally diverse, you cant really say it has the best culture. The country has had so many different people settle there through immigration since the birth of the country, it has taken on influences from all over Europe. Nowadays American popculture is everywhere, especially music.
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On January 21 2012 21:31 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:22 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 21:20 Manit0u wrote:On January 21 2012 21:15 Chargelot wrote:On January 21 2012 21:14 Manit0u wrote:On January 21 2012 21:12 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 21:09 zalz wrote:It's just me or reaaaally in the USA people are learning like what happened every day in the USA since the XVIII century, but they dont now anything about european/asian history? I have never in my life met even a single person in Holland that could give an accurate description of the US civil war. I seriously believe that not even 10% of europeans could name the 2 sides in the US civil war. That only means that your history(and maybe english) classes are pretty bad(this isn't ment as an insult here, I just thought that that claim and especially the number you gave are rediculous) I know the sides and some of the reasons for that war, but no details (and mind you, I've been studying history for 3 years at the university). It's just so insignificant compared to the history of the rest of the world that except people who'd like to specialize in history of USA don't even bother to learn about it. Do you know how much Polish history I've learned? There are very few parts of history which are universally relevant. Everyone has their own history that mostly everyone else doesn't learn. Well, our histories are tied at some points We even have the same heroes.
Thaddeus Kosciusko was described by Thomas Jefferson as the "Purest son of Liberty", and George Washington commented that "He served America with courage and distinction". He is called The Father of West Point and the Father of American Artillery.
And if I had ever taken an Eastern European History course, I'd probably have learned that. I think that's pretty cool that we have "ancient" connections. You would have to take Central European History. Poland is not Eastern Europe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
That actually suprised me, I would've considered Germany to be the(geographically) most eastern country of Central Europe and Poland the(geographically) most western country of eastern europe.
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On January 21 2012 21:35 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:28 white_horse wrote:On January 21 2012 21:03 voy wrote:On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world. oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they didnt apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe I have nothing against USA, but really, dont say stupid things. Yeah it was just way to characterize how there wasn't a european style "country". I'm sure there was more than just trees on the north american continent, thanks for pointing that out. to say that america doesn't have a culture is silly to begin with because there isn't an existing "american race" that has a "culture" that europeans would consider what they think is "developed" culture. The american culture that you see today is made up from immigrants. what is wrong about that and what is so wrong that the descendents of these immigrants don't have a culture that what you think is "developed"? I think the problem is that america doesn't have one culture, it has many cultures as a multicultural country. The Melting Pot didn't work, the salad bowl kinda did, and that's where you're at right now. Although many citizens of the USA have certain "american" things they share with each other you're still no fully american country, large parts of your people just belong to a country with many people from all over the world connected by certain "american" traditions and habits. Notice that I'm not saying that there are no "american" americans, but large parts of your citizens consider themselves americans and others would say they are americans too, while they still kept parts of the culture of the countries they or their driect ancestors came from, which they don't share with most of their fellow americans.
Thank you for understanding this. American culture is made up of a thousand other cultures practiced within arms length of one another. It's a very rare occasion that I am in a room full of people who are just like me, and in truth, I prefer the diversity.
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