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On January 21 2012 20:30 False_Peace wrote:You know what I love? People who say America is a relatively young country... Actually America is one of the older countries in the world. Yes you might think I'm stupid for saying this but the reality is it is true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_date_of_formationHere is a list of the dates of the formation of every country that exists in the world. The United States is the oldest country in the America's. Older than Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, etc. But most people would say these countries have more culture than the US. Why? Most of their modern day citizens are also descendants from other places, i.e Spain, Africa, etc.. The Unites States of America is also older than the following countries in Europe: Germany, Austria, Belgium, Finland, Hungary, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland to name a few. In fact, the US is actually older than most European countries. So you see, if you want to base culture on when the country was formed, then the US actually has one of the most cultured countries in the world... The only reason why people say countries in Europe have more culture is because those countries were formed from people that had customs and cultural identities from many years before. Edit: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/Here is a link for the people who make fun of Americans who use the word "soccer." The term was in fact used in British society along with the word "football" to describe the game many many years ago. The word subsequently fell out of favor and "football" was later used predominantly.
how can USA be older than Netherlands? Did You know that New York was founded by the Dutch and the first name of that city was New Amsterdam? 
"The Unites States of America is also older than the following countries in Europe: Germany, Austria, Belgium, Finland, Hungary, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland to name a few. In fact, the US is actually older than most European countries."
Epic statement, but the USA was founded by imigrants, imigrants from european countries, so how its possible that it's older then that countries?
It's just me or reaaaally in the USA people are learning like what happened every day in the USA since the XVIII century, but they dont now anything about european/asian history?
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I think it depends on what you mean by culture. At face value, the statement that "Americans have no culture" is plainly wrong. If you are an American, all you have to do is go on a bit of travelling to see that. The OP provides a number of different examples of American culture. Further to that, a number of countries fear being "Americanised", which is clearly a statement that implicitly assume the existence of American culture. I suspect though, when people make that sort of statement, they either have in mind things like mediaeval European buildings, Pacific island nations, tribal colonies and ancient China, or they are merely expressing frustration at American egoism.
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And this is just arguing semantics.
Does the age of a nation reflect on when the current form of government was developed? No.
That wikipedia article considered a nation a "cultural or ethnic grouping" which should be painfully obvious that the US's "cultural or ethnic grouping" is young compared to most other nations.
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On January 21 2012 20:30 False_Peace wrote:You know what I love? People who say America is a relatively young country... Actually America is one of the older countries in the world. Yes you might think I'm stupid for saying this but the reality is it is true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_date_of_formationHere is a list of the dates of the formation of every country that exists in the world. The United States is the oldest country in the America's. Older than Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, etc. But most people would say these countries have more culture than the US. Why? Most of their modern day citizens are also descendants from other places, i.e Spain, Africa, etc.. The Unites States of America is also older than the following countries in Europe: Germany, Austria, Belgium, Finland, Hungary, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland to name a few. In fact, the US is actually older than most European countries. So you see, if you want to base culture on when the country was formed, then the US actually has one of the most cultured countries in the world... The only reason why people say countries in Europe have more culture is because those countries were formed from people that had customs and cultural identities from many years before. Edit: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/Here is a link for the people who make fun of Americans who use the word "soccer." The term was in fact used in British society along with the word "football" to describe the game many many years ago. The word subsequently fell out of favor and "football" was later used predominantly.
I'm sorry but that's stupid. The Republic of Turkey was founded on 1923, but its roots go back to 11th century, to the Oguz clanate of Turks coming to Anatolia. So it would be wrong and retarded to say that Republic of Turkey only is 88 years old and therefore US being older than it. Culture is something that is carried over throughout time and changes in time.
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On January 21 2012 20:51 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 20:30 False_Peace wrote:You know what I love? People who say America is a relatively young country... Actually America is one of the older countries in the world. Yes you might think I'm stupid for saying this but the reality is it is true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_date_of_formationHere is a list of the dates of the formation of every country that exists in the world. The United States is the oldest country in the America's. Older than Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, etc. But most people would say these countries have more culture than the US. Why? Most of their modern day citizens are also descendants from other places, i.e Spain, Africa, etc.. The Unites States of America is also older than the following countries in Europe: Germany, Austria, Belgium, Finland, Hungary, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland to name a few. In fact, the US is actually older than most European countries. So you see, if you want to base culture on when the country was formed, then the US actually has one of the most cultured countries in the world... The only reason why people say countries in Europe have more culture is because those countries were formed from people that had customs and cultural identities from many years before. Edit: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/Here is a link for the people who make fun of Americans who use the word "soccer." The term was in fact used in British society along with the word "football" to describe the game many many years ago. The word subsequently fell out of favor and "football" was later used predominantly. I'm sorry but that's stupid. The Republic of Turkey was founded on 1923, but its roots go back to 11th century, to the Oguz clanate of Turks coming to Anatolia. So it would be wrong and retarded to say that Republic of Turkey only is 88 years old.
He confused "age of latest political sovereignty" with "age of culture". Don't worry, he's the only person here who thinks this is true.
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imo people says americans have no culture to say that they don't know anything about the world apart from USA
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On January 21 2012 20:30 False_Peace wrote:You know what I love? People who say America is a relatively young country... Actually America is one of the older countries in the world. Yes you might think I'm stupid for saying this but the reality is it is true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_date_of_formationHere is a list of the dates of the formation of every country that exists in the world. The United States is the oldest country in the America's. Older than Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, etc. But most people would say these countries have more culture than the US. Why? Most of their modern day citizens are also descendants from other places, i.e Spain, Africa, etc.. The Unites States of America is also older than the following countries in Europe: Germany, Austria, Belgium, Finland, Hungary, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland to name a few. In fact, the US is actually older than most European countries. So you see, if you want to base culture on when the country was formed, then the US actually has one of the most cultured countries in the world... The only reason why people say countries in Europe have more culture is because those countries were formed from people that had customs and cultural identities from many years before. Edit: http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/Here is a link for the people who make fun of Americans who use the word "soccer." The term was in fact used in British society along with the word "football" to describe the game many many years ago. The word subsequently fell out of favor and "football" was later used predominantly.
ohm, no, Hungary is Hungary officially since 1000 with the crowning of Stephen the first. It was a sovereign and acknowledged kingdom by all major actors of the time (other kingdoms and entites and the Catholic Church). Your source highlights 1989 which is ridiculous, yes, it became Republic of Hungary in that year, after the collapse of the USSR, but c'mon it's funny to even consider it.
Also, every single one of the European states mentioned existed way before the the USA, with a bit different name (or just the same). Maybe Germany, Norway and Finland can be considered "new" states since they existed in a very different form, but Sweden, Switzerland, Netherlands, Hungary are completely out of question
Actually, Sweden and the Netherlands had colonial establishments in the New World which later became the USA
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Nice thread you Americans got here. I'm thinking of creating my own... Because sometimes when I'm on the internet people call me mad, when I'm actually not  .
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When I visited New York the one thing that really struck me was the lack of old buildings. The few 'old' buildings in Manhattan are only like 200 years old. Compared to most cities in Europe, where you can find buildings over 400 years old everywhere in the city centres, that's quite a shocker.
In Europe our culture comes from very old traditions, going back hundreds of years. The civilized United States simply aren't that old. To the guy above saying that the United States are older than most countries in Europe: the names of the countries may have changed, but we had people living here for thousands of years. When the Europeans came to America they killed all the inhabitants, thus destroying any culture that was going on there.
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On January 21 2012 20:41 False_Peace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 20:35 Tobberoth wrote:On January 21 2012 20:30 False_Peace wrote:You know what I love? People who say America is a relatively young country... Actually America is one of the older countries in the world. Yes you might think I'm stupid for saying this but the reality is it is true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_date_of_formationHere is a list of the dates of the formation of every country that exists in the world. The United States is the oldest country in the America's. Older than Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, etc. But most people would say these countries have more culture than the US. Why? Most of their modern day citizens are also descendants from other places, i.e Spain, Africa, etc.. The Unites States of America is also older than the following countries in Europe: Germany, Austria, Belgium, Finland, Hungary, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland to name a few. In fact, the US is actually older than most European countries. So you see, if you want to base culture on when the country was formed, then the US actually has one of the most cultured countries in the world... The only reason why people say countries in Europe have more culture is because those countries were formed from people that had customs and cultural identities from many years before. Excuse me, did you just claim USA is older than Sweden? Sweden became sweden when gustav vasa was crowned king, which was in 1523. Please explain to me how USA is even close? Sorry, the Sweden reference was a mistake. Sweden was in fact created in 1523 as you say, so it is older. However I believe my point is still valid that The United States is an older country than the majority of most European countries and all of North and South America.
Not really. Countries in Europe that are clearly younger than US are :
Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Belarus, Belgium, Malta, Slovenia and that is about it. You might add Romania, Italy, Slovakia, Moldova and Ukraine to the mix depending on your definitions.
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Well, americans HAVE a culture. But its so new and most of it is borrowed. Also, the cultural elements are not deep. You cant write a book about only rituals in an american culturaş element. But you can write a whole book abou traditions in Turkish rugs or Turkish traditional clothes. They will have deep details and will also have a long history to form those shapes they even have connections with hittites or gobeklitepe, te first temple ever made.
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By the "no culture", that means both that is an Europa 2.0 (better or worse, you choose). But that also means, that Americans knows less things than other people in the world, they're just less educated. I can't find the source, but i saw a study that showed that 3 out of 4 American can't tell where USA are on a USA-centered map.
There is an American culture per say, but it's not an original one, Melting pot maybe not the best term, but it's something similar.
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people saying that a country doesn't have culture simply don't know what culture means. I've had a semester of different cultures on my university and what I learned is that people see culture way to shallow. Like 'american football' is part of the American culture, sure this is true but it goes a lot deeper than this. Culture is about how people in a country think about stuff for example tolerance. The average Dutch is very tolerant, that's what culture is about not whether you wear lederhosen or not.
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Well, americans HAVE a culture. But its so new and most of it is borrowed. Also, the cultural elements are not deep. You cant write a book about only rituals in an american culturaş element. But you can write a whole book abou traditions in Turkish rugs or Turkish traditional clothes. They will have deep details and will also have a long history to form those shapes they even have connections with hittites or gobeklitepe, te first temple ever made.
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On January 21 2012 20:55 Khenra wrote:
When I visited New York the one thing that really struck me was the lack of old buildings. The few 'old' buildings in Manhattan are only like 200 years old. Compared to most cities in Europe, where you can find buildings over 400 years old everywhere in the city centres, that's quite a shocker.
In Europe our culture comes from very old traditions, going back hundreds of years. The civilized United States simply aren't that old. To the guy above saying that the United States are older than most countries in Europe: the names of the countries may have changed, but we had people living here for thousands of years. When the Europeans came to America they killed all the inhabitants, thus destroying any culture that was going on there.
That's a part of our culture -- modernization. Nothing but the best. There are still some pretty old buildings in New York, especially the Churches and most notably Federal Hall, built in 1842, complete with the statue of George Washington, first President of the United States.
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the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc. There are always people who hate whoevers on top, and it doesn't have to be about just countries.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world.
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"culture or civilization. same things or tottaly different?"
5y of culture studies and You still dont know the answer
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On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world.
oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they didnt apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe
I have nothing against USA, but really, dont say stupid things.
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On January 21 2012 21:03 voy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world. oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they did apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe
*annihilated the existing culture and built a new one
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On January 21 2012 21:03 voy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 21:01 white_horse wrote:
the way people make fun of america just suggests that they have a complex against the #1 country in the world in terms of wealth, influence, military, economy, etc.
In any case, its so fucking stupid especially for europeans who bash america for its culture. We've been around for uh 250 years? and european cultures had thousands of years to develop. Thousands of years ago in america there was nothing but trees and native americans. so many haters around the world. oh gosh nothing but trees? true. but they did apear from nowhere, those guy who build that culture... they came from Europe
No, they left Europe and then broke political connections through military action. There's a qualitative difference.
It's important to now separate the two factions that existed after settlement. The Europeans loyal to Europe, and the Europeans loyal to this new land.
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