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On August 13 2014 12:16 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 11:01 Gahlo wrote:On August 13 2014 10:52 miicah wrote:On August 13 2014 01:38 Gahlo wrote:On August 13 2014 01:26 AlterKot wrote:On August 12 2014 18:48 orzeu wrote:
No, that would never happend. They still would need to play in coke league to requalify. So ban mean shit. Give up your LCS spot. Go to Korea for Winter season of Champions. If you get eliminated early, get back just in time to qualify for first Challenger Series. If you get to quarters/semis, skip on first Challenger Series and qualify for second, win it, win playoffs, get back to LCS. Alternatively: Doublelift, Seraph, Link, Moo and Dexter leave CLG and form a new team called Totes Not CLG. Totes Not CLG goes to Korea to compete in OGN. Meanwhile, CLG reforms with Nien, Hotshot, Chaox and some randoms. Sadly CLG does badly in season and goes to relegations. Thankfully, TNC disbands after one season and the roster is acquired by CLG. They re-qualify for LCS. Curtain. On a different note, it's pretty clear that Riot's rules are generally designed so that teams will have trouble with competing in different regions, so I'm not even slightly suprised that something like this happened to CLG. I'm glad something is finally happening though, maybe my I'll have my dream of an alternative 3rd party tournament circuit where the top teams will play in instead of staying on CS -> LCS -> Worlds route. CLG's spot would be voided by changing 3+ players in a single split. No, because DL/seraph/link are on CLG's roster as subs, they just can't play any LCS games because they are in Korea paying for TNCLG. I doubt Riot would let people be subs on a team while being on a professional team in another region. In other news, worlds will be a private draw. I think it's unfortunate because of the hype drop, but I think people(reddit) needs to put the tinfoil away. http://na.lolesports.com/articles/2014-worlds-group-draw Predetermined brackets and groups have its drawbacks, and if Riot Gaming hadn't lost all their credibility with competitive integrity, it wouldn't be such an issue. It's not that Riot Gaming's decision to hide group placements in fear that it will influence the qualification stages in a negative matter that is such a problem, but the fact that they went out of their way to host the World Championship in multiple places and seeded the groups to maximize regional diversity, and now claim that a transparency can be sacrificed due to the circumstances created by these issues that have NOTHING to do with competitive integrity, but still have the audacity to state that competitive integrity is of the upmost importance when we saw in the past time and time again, that they have WAY down in their list of priorities. It's just hilarious, and I have zero problem with people calling Riot Gaming out for what they are.
The only thing that is predetermined with where the group heads go. Everything else is being drawn out of the pool 2/3 setup. NOTHING ELSE ABOUT THE GROUP SETUP HAD BEEN DECIDED.
If you're going to criticize a format, at least know what it is.
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On August 12 2014 17:05 Sakray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 16:37 Bill Murray wrote:
Nick Allen really showing how unprofessional he can be, bringing up his anger at the Col/EG/Dig bottom tier situation. There is a difference in being right, and being tactful. What does the bottom tier has to do with this ?
nick allen brought it up, lest i wouldnt have even discussed the topic.
The gist of it was: if CLG had a competitive roster competing during super week, Dig wouldn't have gotten into playoffs
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On August 13 2014 14:16 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 17:05 Sakray wrote:On August 12 2014 16:37 Bill Murray wrote:
Nick Allen really showing how unprofessional he can be, bringing up his anger at the Col/EG/Dig bottom tier situation. There is a difference in being right, and being tactful. What does the bottom tier has to do with this ? nick allen brought it up, lest i wouldnt have even discussed the topic. The gist of it was: if CLG had a competitive roster competing during super week, Dig wouldn't have gotten into playoffs
Don't see how that matters since EG finished 2 games behind DIG. With a non-competitive lineup they both win, with a CLG+Nien, they probably both lose. At worst CLG would have still beaten EG, which increased the gap farther.
In a doomsday scenario that somehow CLG+Nien loses to EG and beats DIG so they both ended up with the same record, DIG gets into playoffs anyway through the 4-0 tiebreaker.
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On August 13 2014 14:15 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 12:16 Letmelose wrote:On August 13 2014 11:01 Gahlo wrote:On August 13 2014 10:52 miicah wrote:On August 13 2014 01:38 Gahlo wrote:On August 13 2014 01:26 AlterKot wrote:On August 12 2014 18:48 orzeu wrote:
No, that would never happend. They still would need to play in coke league to requalify. So ban mean shit. Give up your LCS spot. Go to Korea for Winter season of Champions. If you get eliminated early, get back just in time to qualify for first Challenger Series. If you get to quarters/semis, skip on first Challenger Series and qualify for second, win it, win playoffs, get back to LCS. Alternatively: Doublelift, Seraph, Link, Moo and Dexter leave CLG and form a new team called Totes Not CLG. Totes Not CLG goes to Korea to compete in OGN. Meanwhile, CLG reforms with Nien, Hotshot, Chaox and some randoms. Sadly CLG does badly in season and goes to relegations. Thankfully, TNC disbands after one season and the roster is acquired by CLG. They re-qualify for LCS. Curtain. On a different note, it's pretty clear that Riot's rules are generally designed so that teams will have trouble with competing in different regions, so I'm not even slightly suprised that something like this happened to CLG. I'm glad something is finally happening though, maybe my I'll have my dream of an alternative 3rd party tournament circuit where the top teams will play in instead of staying on CS -> LCS -> Worlds route. CLG's spot would be voided by changing 3+ players in a single split. No, because DL/seraph/link are on CLG's roster as subs, they just can't play any LCS games because they are in Korea paying for TNCLG. I doubt Riot would let people be subs on a team while being on a professional team in another region. In other news, worlds will be a private draw. I think it's unfortunate because of the hype drop, but I think people(reddit) needs to put the tinfoil away. http://na.lolesports.com/articles/2014-worlds-group-draw Predetermined brackets and groups have its drawbacks, and if Riot Gaming hadn't lost all their credibility with competitive integrity, it wouldn't be such an issue. It's not that Riot Gaming's decision to hide group placements in fear that it will influence the qualification stages in a negative matter that is such a problem, but the fact that they went out of their way to host the World Championship in multiple places and seeded the groups to maximize regional diversity, and now claim that a transparency can be sacrificed due to the circumstances created by these issues that have NOTHING to do with competitive integrity, but still have the audacity to state that competitive integrity is of the upmost importance when we saw in the past time and time again, that they have WAY down in their list of priorities. It's just hilarious, and I have zero problem with people calling Riot Gaming out for what they are. The only thing that is predetermined with where the group heads go. Everything else is being drawn out of the pool 2/3 setup. NOTHING ELSE ABOUT THE GROUP SETUP HAD BEEN DECIDED. If you're going to criticize a format, at least know what it is.
Riot Gaming seeded based on regions, not relative strength, which is a core reason why groups will inherently be imbalanced in terms of competitiveness, which in turn leads to the concern that some teams may try to "fix" their placements in the qualifications stages.
Second of all, the reason why Riot Gaming cannot do a live draw without the players is probably because they are more concerned with booking and traveling issues created by their multiple hosting nation policy, on top of the imbalanced groups that could lead to teams trying to get into "good groups" due to their fixation on regional diversity over well thought out brackets.
Even if groups are balanced out as much as possible, predetermined brackets or groups can always be abused, so while I understand their need to draw the groups privately, all of Riot Gaming's decisions have led to the group draws being next to impossible to do in a clear and transparent manner. This is what I mean by Riot Gaming's blatant disregard for competitive integrity. Yes the decisions make sense, but it is only because the circumstances they've created means that they have to sacrifice competitive integrity.
Yes, crowd interactions are important, and because Riot Gaming chooses to emphasize that aspect over an even playing field, sound-proof booths were always sacrificed. Yes regional diversity is important, but because of that we've seen really bad brackets that are never indicative of the teams' strengths for the past few seasons, and makes the rather random OGN bracket stages look good in comparison. Everything Riot Gaming has done so far has left them no option but to do a private draw, which in light of their continuous tendencies to value spectacles, good viewership, and just general broadening of their market over trying to make the actual best tournament out of the only serious international tournament left, will obviously lead to questions over their intentions.
I have high standards for the only serious international tournament of the year, in what is apparently the pinnacle of E-Sports scene right now. If you made the circumstances so that you have no choice but to do draws that WILL AFFECT the prospect of the teams in involved in an intransparent manner, you have failed. Maybe it doesn't matter to you, maybe all you want is a good show, but I sincerely want this tournament to be set-up as the best tournament in terms of both marketability, and competitive integrity, and in the latter department, Riot Gaming has had a terrible track record, which is the main reason for the outcries against their decision to do a private draw. Hope this makes my point clearer for you.
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On August 13 2014 14:47 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 14:15 Gahlo wrote:On August 13 2014 12:16 Letmelose wrote:On August 13 2014 11:01 Gahlo wrote:On August 13 2014 10:52 miicah wrote:On August 13 2014 01:38 Gahlo wrote:On August 13 2014 01:26 AlterKot wrote:On August 12 2014 18:48 orzeu wrote:
No, that would never happend. They still would need to play in coke league to requalify. So ban mean shit. Give up your LCS spot. Go to Korea for Winter season of Champions. If you get eliminated early, get back just in time to qualify for first Challenger Series. If you get to quarters/semis, skip on first Challenger Series and qualify for second, win it, win playoffs, get back to LCS. Alternatively: Doublelift, Seraph, Link, Moo and Dexter leave CLG and form a new team called Totes Not CLG. Totes Not CLG goes to Korea to compete in OGN. Meanwhile, CLG reforms with Nien, Hotshot, Chaox and some randoms. Sadly CLG does badly in season and goes to relegations. Thankfully, TNC disbands after one season and the roster is acquired by CLG. They re-qualify for LCS. Curtain. On a different note, it's pretty clear that Riot's rules are generally designed so that teams will have trouble with competing in different regions, so I'm not even slightly suprised that something like this happened to CLG. I'm glad something is finally happening though, maybe my I'll have my dream of an alternative 3rd party tournament circuit where the top teams will play in instead of staying on CS -> LCS -> Worlds route. CLG's spot would be voided by changing 3+ players in a single split. No, because DL/seraph/link are on CLG's roster as subs, they just can't play any LCS games because they are in Korea paying for TNCLG. I doubt Riot would let people be subs on a team while being on a professional team in another region. In other news, worlds will be a private draw. I think it's unfortunate because of the hype drop, but I think people(reddit) needs to put the tinfoil away. http://na.lolesports.com/articles/2014-worlds-group-draw Predetermined brackets and groups have its drawbacks, and if Riot Gaming hadn't lost all their credibility with competitive integrity, it wouldn't be such an issue. It's not that Riot Gaming's decision to hide group placements in fear that it will influence the qualification stages in a negative matter that is such a problem, but the fact that they went out of their way to host the World Championship in multiple places and seeded the groups to maximize regional diversity, and now claim that a transparency can be sacrificed due to the circumstances created by these issues that have NOTHING to do with competitive integrity, but still have the audacity to state that competitive integrity is of the upmost importance when we saw in the past time and time again, that they have WAY down in their list of priorities. It's just hilarious, and I have zero problem with people calling Riot Gaming out for what they are. The only thing that is predetermined with where the group heads go. Everything else is being drawn out of the pool 2/3 setup. NOTHING ELSE ABOUT THE GROUP SETUP HAD BEEN DECIDED. If you're going to criticize a format, at least know what it is. Riot Gaming seeded based on regions, not relative strength, which is a core reason why groups will inherently be imbalanced in terms of competitiveness, which in turn leads to the concern that some teams may try to "fix" their placements in the qualifications stages. Second of all, the reason why Riot Gaming cannot do a live draw without the players is probably because they are more concerned with booking and traveling issues created by their multiple hosting nation policy, on top of the imbalanced groups that could lead to teams trying to get into "good groups" due to their fixation on regional diversity over well thought out brackets. Even if groups are balanced out as much as possible, predetermined brackets or groups can always be abused, so while I understand their need to draw the groups privately, all of Riot Gaming's decisions have led to the group draws being next to impossible to do in a clear and transparent manner. This is what I mean by Riot Gaming's blatant disregard for competitive integrity. Yes the decisions make sense, but it is only because the circumstances they've created means that they have to sacrifice competitive integrity. Yes, crowd interactions are important, and because Riot Gaming chooses to emphasize that aspect over an even playing field, sound-proof booths were always sacrificed. Yes regional diversity is important, but because of that we've seen really bad brackets that are never indicative of the teams' strengths for the past few seasons, and makes the rather random OGN bracket stages look good in comparison. Everything Riot Gaming has done so far has left them no option but to do a private draw, which in light of their continuous tendencies to value spectacles, good viewership, and just general broadening of their market over trying to make the actual best tournament out of the only serious international tournament left, will obviously lead to questions over their intentions. I have high standards for the only serious international tournament of the year, in what is apparently the pinnacle of E-Sports scene right now. If you made the circumstances so that you have no choice but to do draws that WILL AFFECT the prospect of the teams in involved in an intransparent manner, you have failed. Maybe it doesn't matter to you, maybe all you want is a good show, but I sincerely want this tournament to be set-up as the best tournament in terms of both marketability, and competitive integrity, and in the latter department, Riot Gaming has had a terrible track record, which is the main reason for the outcries against their decision to do a private draw. Hope this makes my point clearer for you.
Actually, with the way they set it up, it does hold up pretty well considering relative strength because the top 3 teams attending(I think we both know who these will be) can't end up in the game group. All getting a group head does is make winning a team's region actually worth something, which if we're going to champion "protecting competitive integrity" is important.
The reason the players can't draw lots is because the #1 Chinese seed won't be decided until the August 7th, 10 days before the competition begins. Do you really want to wait however long that would take, have all the group heads meet up in what would assume would be Korea, and then draw leaving teams with a few days to prepare for their groups? Regional diversity in groups only holds down the possibility of "good groups" by spreading out the Korean and Chinese teams. As for predetermined brackets, have you seen anything saying A1 + B2 or the like in quarters? Because I sure haven't and I doubt Riot has announced it.
I like the way OGN has done their brackets the drawing is a great hype builder. However, need I remind you that the last 2 splits of Champions have been BLASTED for shitty lopsided bracket stages from the result of drawings? That in both those splits, the consensus #3 team has played the consensus #2 team in the quarterfinals? How in any way shape or form "indicative of the teams' strengths."?
If we were going to assign seeding for team strength, it'd probably go Korea 1-3, China 4-6. Well surprise, no Korean team will be in a group with another and the chance of all 3 of those Chinese teams ending up in the same groups at the Korean teams is probably so small it's absurd. In the end, we'd most likely end up with quarters of 3 Korean, 3 Chinese, and 2 EU/NA which is what the top 8 teams would be projected to be regardless of how groups are set up.
The only thing that the group format's setup forgoes as far as the integrity of the competition is that the drawing is going to be done privately. Yet even with the way the pool system is already set up, the odds of having groups skewed to get as many western teams into the quarters as possible with 6 teams ahead of them is ridiculously small.
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On August 13 2014 15:25 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 14:47 Letmelose wrote:On August 13 2014 14:15 Gahlo wrote:On August 13 2014 12:16 Letmelose wrote:On August 13 2014 11:01 Gahlo wrote:On August 13 2014 10:52 miicah wrote:On August 13 2014 01:38 Gahlo wrote:On August 13 2014 01:26 AlterKot wrote:On August 12 2014 18:48 orzeu wrote:
No, that would never happend. They still would need to play in coke league to requalify. So ban mean shit. Give up your LCS spot. Go to Korea for Winter season of Champions. If you get eliminated early, get back just in time to qualify for first Challenger Series. If you get to quarters/semis, skip on first Challenger Series and qualify for second, win it, win playoffs, get back to LCS. Alternatively: Doublelift, Seraph, Link, Moo and Dexter leave CLG and form a new team called Totes Not CLG. Totes Not CLG goes to Korea to compete in OGN. Meanwhile, CLG reforms with Nien, Hotshot, Chaox and some randoms. Sadly CLG does badly in season and goes to relegations. Thankfully, TNC disbands after one season and the roster is acquired by CLG. They re-qualify for LCS. Curtain. On a different note, it's pretty clear that Riot's rules are generally designed so that teams will have trouble with competing in different regions, so I'm not even slightly suprised that something like this happened to CLG. I'm glad something is finally happening though, maybe my I'll have my dream of an alternative 3rd party tournament circuit where the top teams will play in instead of staying on CS -> LCS -> Worlds route. CLG's spot would be voided by changing 3+ players in a single split. No, because DL/seraph/link are on CLG's roster as subs, they just can't play any LCS games because they are in Korea paying for TNCLG. I doubt Riot would let people be subs on a team while being on a professional team in another region. In other news, worlds will be a private draw. I think it's unfortunate because of the hype drop, but I think people(reddit) needs to put the tinfoil away. http://na.lolesports.com/articles/2014-worlds-group-draw Predetermined brackets and groups have its drawbacks, and if Riot Gaming hadn't lost all their credibility with competitive integrity, it wouldn't be such an issue. It's not that Riot Gaming's decision to hide group placements in fear that it will influence the qualification stages in a negative matter that is such a problem, but the fact that they went out of their way to host the World Championship in multiple places and seeded the groups to maximize regional diversity, and now claim that a transparency can be sacrificed due to the circumstances created by these issues that have NOTHING to do with competitive integrity, but still have the audacity to state that competitive integrity is of the upmost importance when we saw in the past time and time again, that they have WAY down in their list of priorities. It's just hilarious, and I have zero problem with people calling Riot Gaming out for what they are. The only thing that is predetermined with where the group heads go. Everything else is being drawn out of the pool 2/3 setup. NOTHING ELSE ABOUT THE GROUP SETUP HAD BEEN DECIDED. If you're going to criticize a format, at least know what it is. Riot Gaming seeded based on regions, not relative strength, which is a core reason why groups will inherently be imbalanced in terms of competitiveness, which in turn leads to the concern that some teams may try to "fix" their placements in the qualifications stages. Second of all, the reason why Riot Gaming cannot do a live draw without the players is probably because they are more concerned with booking and traveling issues created by their multiple hosting nation policy, on top of the imbalanced groups that could lead to teams trying to get into "good groups" due to their fixation on regional diversity over well thought out brackets. Even if groups are balanced out as much as possible, predetermined brackets or groups can always be abused, so while I understand their need to draw the groups privately, all of Riot Gaming's decisions have led to the group draws being next to impossible to do in a clear and transparent manner. This is what I mean by Riot Gaming's blatant disregard for competitive integrity. Yes the decisions make sense, but it is only because the circumstances they've created means that they have to sacrifice competitive integrity. Yes, crowd interactions are important, and because Riot Gaming chooses to emphasize that aspect over an even playing field, sound-proof booths were always sacrificed. Yes regional diversity is important, but because of that we've seen really bad brackets that are never indicative of the teams' strengths for the past few seasons, and makes the rather random OGN bracket stages look good in comparison. Everything Riot Gaming has done so far has left them no option but to do a private draw, which in light of their continuous tendencies to value spectacles, good viewership, and just general broadening of their market over trying to make the actual best tournament out of the only serious international tournament left, will obviously lead to questions over their intentions. I have high standards for the only serious international tournament of the year, in what is apparently the pinnacle of E-Sports scene right now. If you made the circumstances so that you have no choice but to do draws that WILL AFFECT the prospect of the teams in involved in an intransparent manner, you have failed. Maybe it doesn't matter to you, maybe all you want is a good show, but I sincerely want this tournament to be set-up as the best tournament in terms of both marketability, and competitive integrity, and in the latter department, Riot Gaming has had a terrible track record, which is the main reason for the outcries against their decision to do a private draw. Hope this makes my point clearer for you. Actually, with the way they set it up, it does hold up pretty well considering relative strength because the top 3 teams attending(I think we both know who these will be) can't end up in the game group. All getting a group head does is make winning a team's region actually worth something, which if we're going to champion "protecting competitive integrity" is important. The reason the players can't draw lots is because the #1 Chinese seed won't be decided until the August 7th, 10 days before the competition begins. Do you really want to wait however long that would take, have all the group heads meet up in what would assume would be Korea, and then draw leaving teams with a few days to prepare for their groups? Regional diversity in groups only holds down the possibility of "good groups" by spreading out the Korean and Chinese teams. As for predetermined brackets, have you seen anything saying A1 + B2 or the like in quarters? Because I sure haven't and I doubt Riot has announced it. I like the way OGN has done their brackets the drawing is a great hype builder. However, need I remind you that the last 2 splits of Champions have been BLASTED for shitty lopsided bracket stages from the result of drawings? That in both those splits, the consensus #3 team has played the consensus #2 team in the quarterfinals? How in any way shape or form "indicative of the teams' strengths."? If we were going to assign seeding for team strength, it'd probably go Korea 1-3, China 4-6. Well surprise, no Korean team will be in a group with another and the chance of all 3 of those Chinese teams ending up in the same groups at the Korean teams is probably so small it's absurd. In the end, we'd most likely end up with quarters of 3 Korean, 3 Chinese, and 2 EU/NA which is what the top 8 teams would be projected to be regardless of how groups are set up. The only thing that the group format's setup forgoes as far as the integrity of the competition is that the drawing is going to be done privately. Yet even with the way the pool system is already set up, the odds of having groups skewed to get as many western teams into the quarters as possible with 6 teams ahead of them is ridiculously small.
Riot Gaming had to do one of the two things to avoid the transparency issue:
1) Set up a good format so there are no incentives for "fixing" your placement in groups. This is hard to do, and Riot Gaming improved in this regard, but due to one of the groups being in all likelihood massively weaker than the other three, all this has become is the OGN tournament format, but with even more random allocations, which in turn leads to even more random brackets. I'm not a fan of the OGN formatting, and while this is an improvement from the abomination that was the Season 2 and 3 tournament format, the very fact that Riot Gaming still has cause for concern with the balancing of the groups is a failure on their part. There's still work to be done.
2) Make the travelling and booking a non-issue, so that the draws can be done AFTER the qualifications are over. This is the most obvious answer, and we all know how Riot Gaming has said that they are more concerned with advancing their reach over the SEA region over the obvious issues that multiple nation hosting will lead to.
The draws being not able to take place after the qualifications are over is a result of Riot Gaming's policies, and should have been avoided to make things absolutely clear that they are indeed prioritizing competitive integrity more than before. They made the best out of a messy situation, but please take into consideration that the situation was created by Riot Gaming for reasons that were OBVIOUSLY not based on competitive integrity.
This is the kind of issues that arises when you don't plan your tournaments. And while it is okay to let minor things like this occur had this been one of the many available international tournaments of the year, I find it disappointing that Riot Gaming has yet to host a tournament that is even near a Korean regional tournament in terms of competitive integrity. This is supposed to be the one and only big tournament we have all year. This is the only international tournament we've got due to Riot Gaming's policies. All these issues are created by Riot Gaming's direction and vision, and the audacity of Riot Gaming to claim that they care about transparency and competitive integrity when every decision they made has so far made that a very difficult choice to make is hilarious to me.
If you have competitive integrity as your first priority, and a baboon can plan a tournament better than this. Riot Gaming tries to have the cake and eat it too, by planning everything to cater for their commercial needs, then hastily decide what little choices they have to make it a legitimate competition also.
Every year, we see issues that arise due to Riot Gaming choosing what favours them commercially over competitive integrity. Whether it be regional byes, the lack of sound proof booths, or the intransparent draws this year. These aren't difficult choices that would crush them financially, and better organizations in terms of competitive integrity have always chosen in the direction of creating a better tournament even if it cost them a little bit. But not Riot Gaming. And due to their monopoly, this is the only choice we have, and have to put up with the consequences of Riot Gaming's vision for E-Sports. Criticism for the current issue may be harsh, but as it is the fruition of their direction, I believe they need every little feedback they deserve.
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In less than 1 hour starts the battle for the first seed from the International wildcard at Gamescon, 3 teams fight for 1 seed.
1 from Turkey, 1 from CIS, and 1 from Oceania.
If anyone is intersted in seeing the evolution of the minor regions this is the place to go.
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Doesn't surprise me, iM is pretty selective about who gets funding for tournament travel/accom.
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Riot taking lessons from the No Fun League.
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How the hell can they do that? are they going to fine him for announcing Trump aswell or some shit?
Since when did Riot own TSM so they could decided whether or not they can announce people on the team...
Its not like he tried to play him during LCS before doing the paperwork.
plus wasnt this like months ago?
seriously. Riot is going full control freak.
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On August 15 2014 04:20 Gorsameth wrote:
How the hell can they do that? are they going to fine him for announcing Trump aswell or some shit?
Since when did Riot own TSM so they could decided whether or not they can announce people on the team...
Its not like he tried to play him during LCS before doing the paperwork.
plus wasnt this like months ago?
seriously. Riot is going full control freak.
The technicality isn't that Regi announced Lustboy, but that he announced that Lustboy would be playing in LCS before the paperwork was done. If that's actually a rule, and Riot usually references them on things like this, then I can see how it's justifiable(albeit a bit stupid) because it is a rule, he should know about it, and he did break it.
However, I haven't seen any official ruling post from Riot like they've done in the past, and will call bullshit until then.
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This is just laughable. Riot this year has been really silly with LCS. Is it the Nick Allen influence?
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If there was any sane person in riot's esports department, they quit long ago after listening to Nick Allen and redbeard and whoever else is in control of this mess.
I wonder if Reginald will get fined for announcing he will get fined :D
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On August 15 2014 05:20 AlterKot wrote:
If there was any sane person in riot's esports department, they quit long ago after listening to Nick Allen and redbeard and whoever else is in control of this mess.
I wonder if Reginald will get fined for announcing he will get fined :D
A never ending chain of fine announcements.
Does Riot honestly believe this is good business acumen? People in major league sports only get fined for saying really bad stuff, this is pretty fucking nitpicky.
edit: also hopefully I used acumen correctly :D
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This happens in other leagues as well, fine players, teams, managers etc for rule violations (minor/major violations).
Not enforcing their own rules would hurt the integrity of the LCS as a professional league. Riot has actually taken a good step this season fining rule violations, and we get to read the rulings as well.
All the official rules for the NA and EU LCS can be found here: https://riot-web-static.s3.amazonaws.com/lolesports/Rule Sets/LCS Rule Set 1.05.pdf
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I'm pretty sure that when people argue about stuff like this, it's about whether the rule is reasonable in the first place. And if it can mean different things, then whether the way Nick Allen interpreted it is reasonable or not. I certainly don't think so.
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Add: Riot usually tries to be reasonable with the warnings before handing out fines, I dont know the specifics of this incident beyond what is in the rulling, but most of the fined players/etc this year have been given warnings before they were fined
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That's the whole issue, Reginald's side of the story is that he doesn't think he got warned. Not to mention that I don't get what's wrong with announcing things that are not confirmed - if Riot then disapproves of Lustboy, it's Regi who ends up looking like a fool, not Riot.
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