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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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greatZERG
Australia755 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:53 PoisedYeTi wrote: Both player and tournament decisions are childish and unprofessional. I do not want to support GOMtv with my dollars anymore. Zenio BACKHANDED idra when he beat him in a GSL game for god sake, WHERE IS HIS BAN? backhanded? link? | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
It is clear that in hindsight, Naniwa would have done a slightly more disguised futile all-in. It is equally clear that in hindsight GOM would not stream a meaningless game. I think that GOM should accept some responsibility and just make sure it doesn't happen again in future. Does anyone else remember the last week of season 1 NASL when players were very clearly not even making an effort to disguise their lack of interest in the outcome of relatively meaningless games? I remember one series in particular, I believe it was Select vs. MC on metal and then crevasse, and Select went 1 or 2 base battlecruiser and MC responded with carriers. The game was so ridiculous it was clear that neither cared too much if they won, and the game even had implications in the $50,000 tournament. Yet nobody cared at all. I think the only difference in the Naniwa situation is that it was on a much more prestigious stage (no disrespect meant to NASL). To me it seems ridiculous to draw a line about throwing games. What if naniwa sent 3 probes out to "harass" and gg'd when they all died to a "terrible micro blunder"? Are you going to ban him? What if he gg's after "carelessly" losing his scouting probe? What if he neglects chronoboost and never builds more than 12 probes? Is that a bannable offense? Seriously, it's ridiculous. If you don't want players to throw games just make sure that every game counts. That's all there is to it. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:52 Koshi wrote: When GSL January finals end with Nestea doing 5 worker rushes because he felt disheartened playing against MVP again, then I want to see the reaction of all people who think it is ok to trow matches... How can you ever think that this is the same thing as throwing a game in the finals where the results actually matter. >< | ||
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Ultr4rush
Sweden29 Posts
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:52 EZSkull wrote: Here's the difference. You're using football. If the Colts play Manning in a game that doesn't effect seeding and he gets hurt then what? The difference between football and SC2; You can get hurt and out for the playoffs in Football. Horrible example. And yet the backups are still trying their asses off. They aren't just sitting down and letting the other team score. Their TEAM is not paying them to only play matches when they "matter" to them. | ||
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roymarthyup
1442 Posts
this is only being done because of korean culture. i swear korean culture if it could be explained in one phrase would be "whining troublemaker crybaby" koreans as a culture have no sense of forgiveness and understanding like exists in american culture when coca threw a game cuz he wanted more practice, all the koreans were grabbing their pitchforks demanding swift punishment koreans at any opportunity to take off someones head will take it. any small tiny sense of anything that could be taken as an excuse to punish someone will be seen as justification to punish in american culture we are all thinking about how crazy this overreaction by the koreans are, or most americans/canadians are thinking that. but yeah its all about culture, and sadly the korean culture just loves doing crap like this | ||
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Vandalman
United States66 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:49 anomalopidae wrote: yes I'm sure you're microing 7 probes with keyboard and not mouse... Try it please, I always like those wasd moves in starcraft ya i hear its fun to attack move without a keyboard...durp. | ||
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TwoSIXTY
Australia4 Posts
I believe the better way for GOM to handle this would have been to fine him a good amount of money. Since some people say that "He doesn't care for it." If he decided not to pay up, ban him. However GOM fining players is probably not feasible. So a ban will do just fine. With all this cultural bullshit being bought into the thread. It really should be closed, I think we all know where this is going to lead to....... | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:53 PoisedYeTi wrote: Both player and tournament decisions are childish and unprofessional. I do not want to support GOMtv with my dollars anymore. Zenio BACKHANDED idra when he beat him in a GSL game for god sake, WHERE IS HIS BAN? Koreans were not offended, therefore it was completely fine. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:53 PoisedYeTi wrote: Both player and tournament decisions are childish and unprofessional. I do not want to support GOMtv with my dollars anymore. Zenio BACKHANDED idra when he beat him in a GSL game for god sake, WHERE IS HIS BAN? How is this the same thing? He backhanded that air after an good game, it was just a ceremony. | ||
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hALLE
Sweden19 Posts
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pookadin
Australia422 Posts
NaNiWa got baned an I AM MAD! I kno he frew teh matches bt he shuld b able 2 becuz he is NaNiWa an they cnt kik him out cuz then it wuldnt b 'GLOBAL' star league. Las nite i a mov my probes against this other guy who waz zerg an he died now I am #1 bronze in my group. Dis is legit play an NaNiWa waz tryin 2 win! Iz so unfare bcuz I like him. GOMTV give mi moneiz bak. You do not hav the rite 2 kik him out bcuz NesTea wuz nt offended. The game meant nthing 2 him. Refund me bcuz I am a overly vocal little brat with an over zealous sense of entitlement and no regards for sportsmanship, respect or integrity. -Naniwa Fanbois all over the world User was warned for this post | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:50 Alva` wrote: Might as well ban MVP the next time he drops manner mules for being "disrespectful". mvp drops mules even if he loses, its not a bm move | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:51 TFOG wrote: uhhh, sorry to disappoint some of you but... Winning a best of one wouldn't redeem nestea or "give him a chance at revenge." Its a best of one people, as destiny put it on SotG, it might as well be a ladder match. As an example, he even said he beat Leenock on ladder, but does that mean anything? No, because its just ladder. No one is going to get up and cheer proclaiming that Nestea got his revenge and reclaimed his honor after winning ONE GAME vs Naniwa, assuming he won. Like seriously guys.. a televised game is never the same as a ladder game a nestea win wouldn't be full revenge but it would mean he could beat naniwa a naniwa victory might start to really get into nestea's head but no wait just short circuit those storylines, naniwa is sad becuase he lost. | ||
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Narrow123
Norway63 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:52 Koshi wrote: When GSL January finals end with Nestea doing 5 worker rushes because he felt disheartened playing against MVP again, then I want to see the reaction of all people who think it is ok to trow matches... Really? Really? a GSL final is the same thing as an unimportant match, where both the participants are out already? Think before you post please | ||
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JohnStorm
Canada74 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:52 Pwnographics wrote: Two wrongs don't make a right unfortunately. It's an insult to my intelligence as a viewer to expect that I wouldn't know when a game is completely meaningless. I don't want to watch silly consolation matches between players when there is absolutely zero at stake. | ||
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Saraf
United States160 Posts
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ander
Canada403 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:47 Deadeight wrote: I disagree. First off, the list at the end of your post. Those things do not mean that people didn't see a good, competitive game. Probe rushing has never been a competitive strategy. If MC does a throat slash after a game, it's just some light-hearted fun, but the Nestea vs Naniwa game basically didn't happen, I'm disappointed in him for not trying to show a good game not because I think he BMd nestea. Whilst I think GOM was in a difficult decision, I personally think that he did need punishing. Maybe losing his code S spot completely is a bit harsh, maybe not paying him at all for Blizzard cup would have been more appropriate. But he agreed beforehand to play all those games, and he didn't really play that last one, HuK never got punished for trying too hard in that all-star game. I completely sympathise with that situation, especially when Jinro vs Fruitdealer opened with a reall game with them both trying hard. But it's not the same situation. The chances that people would have seen a good competitive game in the first place was slim to none. It held zero weight, and who knows if nestea wasn't going to just 1base roach rush or something? I agree that punishment probably would not have been out the realm of possibility, but only if it was made explicitly known to naniwa that his actions were punishable. The rules were so vague that GSL could interpret them in any way that they want. If they were going to do something, a public warning would have probably been the proper decision. And technically, he did play the game; there was a loser, and there was a winner. Huk was never punished, but these things are both comparable examples. Huk did something without knowledge of the consequences, regardless of the consequences not involving a suspension. | ||
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kasumimi
Greece460 Posts
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:52 EZSkull wrote: Here's the difference. You're using football. If the Colts play Manning in a game that doesn't effect seeding and he gets hurt then what? The difference between football and SC2; You can get hurt and out for the playoffs in Football. Horrible example. Now take my other examples and try to refute them using that same BS logic. Go ahead, I'll wait. | ||
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