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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 20:49 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:46 pookadin wrote:On December 14 2011 20:44 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 razz wrote:
Respect to the people who payed is essential.
Respect to your opponent is essential.
Congratulations GOM for making an unpopular decision that defends the your principles! No it isn't. Only little kids and soccer mommies think that. Your forgetting Professionals in there. They also like to uphold their principles because integrity is important in adulthood. You'll find that out when you get older. LOL! Yeah, that's why the Colts sat every single starter for their last three games two seasons ago when they were gauranteed a playoff spot... That's why every single QB will come out once the game is beyond winning or losing. That's why every single coach runs BS plays until the clock runs out if they have no chance of winning. Oh wait... you're flat out wrong. Pros play for money. Little kids who cry about not being drafted play for "love of the sport".
Here's the difference. You're using football. If the Colts play Manning in a game that doesn't effect seeding and he gets hurt then what? The difference between football and SC2; You can get hurt and out for the playoffs in Football. Horrible example.
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On December 14 2011 20:52 A Wet Shamwow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:50 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 samw wrote:
What nani did was questionable but what gom have done is unnaceptable he earned that seed, why revoke it for using a cheesy strategy He wasn't suspended for the strategy but rather the disservice to the viewership. You know what a disservice to the viewership is? Showing a meaningless game.
You didn't want to watch a game between nestea and Naniwa ? :o
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On December 14 2011 20:52 A Wet Shamwow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:50 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 samw wrote:
What nani did was questionable but what gom have done is unnaceptable he earned that seed, why revoke it for using a cheesy strategy He wasn't suspended for the strategy but rather the disservice to the viewership. You know what a disservice to the viewership is? Showing a meaningless game.
it's not meaningless if people want to watch it and are interested in who wins
if there's a history between the players
especially if it's foreigner vs. korean
not a disservice in the slightest...
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On December 14 2011 20:49 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:46 grobo wrote:On December 14 2011 20:46 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 20:45 grobo wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 20:42 grobo wrote:On December 14 2011 20:41 Demonaz wrote:On December 14 2011 20:37 Klaent wrote:
What the fuck? This is fucking retarded... If it was Nestea doing a drone rush they would NEVER banned him, and the korean wouldnt have freaked the fuck out. Let him probe rush if he wants to, whats the big fucking deal... Oh they would totally punish nestea for the same thing, if anything it would be an even worse penalty I imagine Kind of like how the Koreans got punished for throwing games at WCG, oh wait.. The koreans didn't even mention the damn thing. 100% pure bias. Because GomTV was in charge of WCG right? Different tournament holders reserve the right to punish players the way they see fit. I know that... I'm saying they should have at least mentioned it in their news, but they didn't. 'Their news'? Who's news? Don't be stupid I'm legitimately asking. News outlets are completely separate from GomTV, and why would GomTV go out of their way to publish news on something that was none of their business.
I'm talking about the korean scene.
As you can probably tell right now, they flipped their shit on this whole naniwa ordeal, the korean pros on twitter
wants his "progaming license" revoked, the MVP house are talking shit about how they dodged a bullet with Nani,
Thisisgame and GOM are calling him "amateur prize money hunter" and this is fucking bullshit.
If they valued pride and honor as much as they claim they would be ALL OVER the korean players ass at WCG for throwing games just so they could face foreigners instead of other Koreans, but they didn't.
That is gross bias.
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On December 14 2011 20:48 Phantom461 wrote:
Its not correct and childish of GOM.
Look at other sports like Soccer, if in the Group-Stage of the Championsleague 2 Teams are already out, they wont send their best players on the field and even those guys wont play at their full potential.
If you think competitive its normal that you cant play at your full potencial at games like that.
Oh and picking any rule and use it like gom does (cause Naniwa didnt offend anybody) its like acting like George W. (Picking some reasons for war).
Going by your comparison - NaNi was like the players going out on the field, sitting down and letting the other team score willingly. Teams may not play their full first team, but they still try to win because they know they have to play for the fans and in respect for the tournament. What NaNi did was fucking stupid.
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On December 14 2011 20:51 greatZERG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:50 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 samw wrote:
What nani did was questionable but what gom have done is unnaceptable he earned that seed, why revoke it for using a cheesy strategy He wasn't suspended for the strategy but rather the disservice to the viewership. They did a disservice to their viewership by forcing a meaningless match
a meaningless match that naniwa's team was hyping.
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On December 14 2011 20:48 colate wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:38 tomatriedes wrote:On December 14 2011 20:31 Destructicon wrote:
This was the right move from GOM TV and I support them for doing this.
Like it or not gaming is now becoming a profession, you have to behave and act in a certain way, to be respectful and not offend anyone, the same its done in other sports. GOM did the right thing to show that, behavior like this will not be tolerated.
I'm quite sure the majority of people are raging because they suspect Korean bias from GOM and also view Naniwa as sort of our "foreign hero".
Consider that, when one of their own, Slayers_Coca started a matchfixing scandal he was quickly forced to give up his Code S and if he wouldn't have done it GOM would have done it at least.
Secondly, why should we forgive Naniwa? Just because he is a foreigner? The rules are for all, Naniwa messed up and deserved this. In actual fact the majority of the people here have a distorted outlook on reality, they think that, just because you are a great player/personality you can afford to be a jerk in life and just piss over everyone. That is NOT how the world works, nor how it is meant to work. The people offended by GOMs decision should be offended by Naniwa's gesture and should re-view their outlook on life. But you're missing the point- Korean players aren't respectful to each other! They taunt and BM their opponents in all sorts of ways. They build manner nexuses and hatcheries, they drop manner mules and make their units dance. After matches they do thumbs down and all sorts of other disrespectful ceremonies and Gom never gives two shits about any of this behavior. If they want players to be professional that's fine, but they need to be consistent about it.
There is a vastly difference between throwing a game against a player that practiced on his birthday for the match and 'BM' at the end of the game and outside the game. Their ceremonies creates relationship and rivalries between the players - and its all for the fans (which wasn't NaNiwa's intention).As much as I hate NaNiwa for what he did, which was outright shitting on the system that he lives of (the viewers), I think revoking his code S spot was maybe to harsh. I'm fine with them setting the standards. Maybe a fine or dropping him down to code a (which means someone from code a or code a seed needs to take his code s spot) would be in place. NaNiwa needs to step his shit up, manner up and suck it up - respect people.
That's just an opinion and I wish people would stop trying to dress it up as fact. To me BMing is just as unprofessional as throwing a completely meaningless match.
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On December 14 2011 20:17 h41fgod wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:12 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 14 2011 20:10 h41fgod wrote:On December 14 2011 20:08 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 14 2011 20:07 h41fgod wrote:On December 14 2011 20:05 Spiner wrote:On December 14 2011 20:00 trucane wrote:
Lol at people calling naniwa defender "butt hurt". If anyone is butt hurt it's GOM. Naniwa tells them he wants to forfeit the last game because it has meaning but they force him to play it out and when he does play it out and loses on purpose they get so mad just because he didn't respect their stupid decision. Also later on they revoke his seed and slander him publicly.
Yes the Naniwa defenders are certainly the ones that are butt hurt....
GOM has shown us how immature and childish they are and I for one is gonna vote with my wallets, no more tickets for me
Why is nearly everyone from Sweden defending him? Blind nationalism eh? Why is everyone from Korea hating on him? Yeah. which is why he wants to remain in korea amirite? he must love all the hate he's getting there. Good comeback. Really. He is in Korea because he wants to compete with the best. Compete being the operative word here. funny how he mentioned in a interview he also wanted to get a korean girl friend. you must be mad. What is it with you and the completely random retorts? He likes the look of asian girls. So does half of TL if you look at the beautiful women thread and/or the wallpaper thread. He would not be in Korea if it was not for the level of the competition.
Just so know, for koreans respectfulness and honor is valued very highly, with that in mind if the korean girlfriend he is looking for was raised there she would have the same values. The chance for naniwa to have a girlfriend there is pretty low now, if she watches GSL or knows someone that does. I only know this due to having a lot of korean friends and studying of korean culture, also the language. (I study economy/business)
@back on topic
I agree with GOMTV on this even if I get hate for it, I have paid all the seasons but 2. I still plan to buy this about 100$ one. What naniwa did was wrong no matter what any one said. at least do a 4 gate or cannon rush. 6 probe rush is asking for a ban/fine/kick there is no way someone of code S or code A would lose to, at least a 4 gate would have a chance and the game would end quickly. For GomTV the choice was the right one even if they lose their western audience, they get to keep their main korean one which helps them a lot more than we do, which is the right business move to show they won't be push around and earning more respect in their scene in korea.
For people thinking this should not have happen and it is the GOMTV fault. you right but did you realize the blizzard cup is for the fans and same with any other tournament. The blizzard cup is just for the fans they wanted to put out as many of the best game they could that's why their formant was like that and I am quite sure naniwa knew that there was chance this would of happened and should of planned to just a good all-in, this could of been avoided or even not part take in it. Knowing himself will enough that this would happen.
Just to restate my position. I agree with GOMTV on this action but the punishment is harsh but that is what sports do (eg: NBA, NFL, NAHL ) sure in some sport trash talk is allowed but that was not trash talk completely throwing a game where anything would of been acceptable as along as it had a chance for success. Both have fault but that could've been talked about before hand or not take part at all or even talk after doing a 4gate then in the interview talk how that match should of been worth something (but it was worth something honor or even letting the koreans know your level of play or even creating more fans).
hopefully the shows people where I stand as member of this SC2 world.
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On December 14 2011 20:41 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:39 nimdil wrote:On December 14 2011 20:35 ander wrote:
Yeah man, i agree with GOM, lets revoke Code-S status to players who use silly strategies in games and fall back on our incredibly vague rulebook that can be interpreted infinitely; especially if you aren't in tune with Korean culture despite the moniker "Global Starcraft League" In my eyes GSL is no more. It's obviously GomTV Korean Starcraft League so KSL which just happens to be top level SC2 league. What a joke. How does this decision change the fact that it is a Global Starcraft League?
How is it global, anyway? Beside the name?
If GOM failed to set a rule obligating players to play every and each match to their full potential, throwing a meaningless game is an example of bad manners at worst. Banning NaNiwa means that they are just doing whatever they want. Arguments that this decision is implicated by Korean culture is just wrong. And in all honesty I can't think of any other reasonable argument for this decision.
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On December 14 2011 20:47 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:46 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 20:39 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:36 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 20:30 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:28 Ysellian wrote:On December 14 2011 20:20 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:19 iamke55 wrote:On December 14 2011 20:17 Klogbert wrote:
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You must not really watch sports then...the Indianapolis Colts certainly aren't giving their all. The Chicago Cubs at the end of every year don't even play their stars. Not sending your best players in a team sport is the equivalent in SC2 of trying out a new build that isn't as refined as your old one. No it isn't. That analogy is quite good actually. No it isn't.
If you are not playing your best players, you are admitting defeat. You want it to be different because you want to hate on Nani for offending you bullshit sensibilities. get over yourself. Except that is where you are wrong. Not playing your best players puts you at a disadvantage similar to a unrefined strategy, but your players on the field are still playing for the win. If players actually roll over and let the opponent just kick their ass the immediate reaction would be that the match was fixed. Look up Dinamo Zagreb for such an example. and let it be known that Naniwa did NOT micro his probes. Nope. Most of the time those players run plays that are designed to end the game as quickly as possible so as to avoid injury so you are dead fucking wrong and stop making shit up for like the seventh time. Dude I'm not making shit up I was always under the impression that teams have to play to win or else they get punished for it. Which in Association Football has actually resulted in the punishment of quite a few teams. If you're talking about soccer, well... that is one of the most ridiculously whiny and girly sports in that respect that exists. In a real sport, IE "American football" they aren't expected to give out bs lip service. Was this really necessary? To talk down on a whole sport like this  Way to show your class I guess.
All this thread needed to make it perfect was pointless bashing of other country's major sports. As if you can't respect a sport if your country doesn't value it. Cricket, now that's a real sport!
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I can only LAUGH at GOMTV/GSL for their impuslive overreaction.
What a fucking joke............................................ disgusting.
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On December 14 2011 20:53 theBALLS wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:52 A Wet Shamwow wrote:On December 14 2011 20:50 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 samw wrote:
What nani did was questionable but what gom have done is unnaceptable he earned that seed, why revoke it for using a cheesy strategy He wasn't suspended for the strategy but rather the disservice to the viewership. You know what a disservice to the viewership is? Showing a meaningless game. You didn't want to watch a game between nestea and Naniwa ? :o
BO1? After the three previous games? No thanks.
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Bye Bye GOM and hello MLG 2012
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I stated this in other posts on the situation: Naniwas behaviour is not acceptable for me, it shows no respect for viewers, organisation, other players. His 'excuse' hes only flamed for that cause its him who did them, nobody else does things like that on a regular basis..
Can't say im glad that he got banned, i would have liked to see him in code s, but i can totaly understand that gom toke action and made an example to stop such things to happen in the gsl.
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Both player and tournament decisions are childish and unprofessional. I do not want to support GOMtv with my dollars anymore.
Zenio BACKHANDED idra when he beat him in a GSL game for god sake, WHERE IS HIS BAN?
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On December 14 2011 20:51 greatZERG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:50 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 20:49 samw wrote:
What nani did was questionable but what gom have done is unnaceptable he earned that seed, why revoke it for using a cheesy strategy He wasn't suspended for the strategy but rather the disservice to the viewership. They did a disservice to their viewership by forcing a meaningless match
A match doesn't have to have meaning to be a good game. Nestea said he wanted to try to win it, and if Naniwa had tried it could have been a brilliant, enjoyable game. But he didn't. He'd agreed beforehand to play all 4 games and the last one he basically just didn't play.
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Well, I guess KeSPA was hidenly ruling SC2 all along: it was their culture
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pathetic and unprofessional behaviour by gom. Good thing i never bought anything from them and sure wont in the future 
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On December 14 2011 20:48 Phantom461 wrote:
Its not correct and childish of GOM.
Look at other sports like Soccer, if in the Group-Stage of the Championsleague 2 Teams are already out, they wont send their best players on the field and even those guys wont play at their full potential.
If you think competitive its normal that you cant play at your full potencial at games like that.
Oh and picking any rule and use it like gom does (cause Naniwa didnt offend anybody) its like acting like George W. (Picking some reasons for war).
People quote sports so much but naniwa didn't 'bring his b-game' by all-ining or something. He didn't bring any game at all. You NEVER see a competitive sports team literally not even trying to play at all.
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Most of the people who support Naniwa on this (excluding Swedes, although respectful Swedes should not support Naniwa on this) i think are "playing" with our sanity.
"7 worker rush has a chance of working against pros... its the same as football when teams send their B-team... it is the same as throwing mules....it was done before in non televised matches..."Really guys? really?
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