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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
Pwnographics
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1097 Posts
December 14 2011 11:50 GMT
#1821
On December 14 2011 20:49 samw wrote:
What nani did was questionable but what gom have done is unnaceptable he earned that seed, why revoke it for using a cheesy strategy


He wasn't suspended for the strategy but rather the disservice to the viewership.
Alva`
Profile Joined February 2011
Brazil27 Posts
December 14 2011 11:50 GMT
#1822
Might as well ban MVP the next time he drops manner mules for being "disrespectful".

Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
December 14 2011 11:50 GMT
#1823
On December 14 2011 20:49 samw wrote:
What nani did was questionable but what gom have done is unnaceptable he earned that seed, why revoke it for using a cheesy strategy

He didn't use a cheesy strategy, he threw the game.
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
December 14 2011 11:50 GMT
#1824
He did absolutely nothing wrong in choosing to throw a pointless game rather than waste his time.

Amazing overreaction from GomTV here
stu >)
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:55:04
December 14 2011 11:51 GMT
#1825
It's a sad day for SC2 scene. It has just got divided, with many people claiming not to watch GSL and starting to hate GOMTV...

If GOMTV was meant to keep it going, then it has just failed... I think GOMTV should be much more responsible, and try to take care about all its viewers, not only its Korean-viewers. It's obvious that this decision was undertaken to comfort Korean community.

There should be a warning, there should be a clear rule if this kind of 'giving up' is allowed or not, there should be no such situation where matches are without stake.

But instead GOMTV has chosen the simplest, and worst option - ban Naniwa.
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:52:42
December 14 2011 11:51 GMT
#1826
On December 14 2011 20:47 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:46 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:43 Ysellian wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:39 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:36 Ysellian wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:30 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:28 Ysellian wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:20 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:19 iamke55 wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:17 Klogbert wrote:
[quote]

You must not really watch sports then...the Indianapolis Colts certainly aren't giving their all. The Chicago Cubs at the end of every year don't even play their stars.

Not sending your best players in a team sport is the equivalent in SC2 of trying out a new build that isn't as refined as your old one.

No it isn't.


That analogy is quite good actually.

No it isn't.

If you are not playing your best players, you are admitting defeat
. You want it to be different because you want to hate on Nani for offending you bullshit sensibilities.

get over yourself.


Except that is where you are wrong. Not playing your best players puts you at a disadvantage similar to a unrefined strategy, but your players on the field are still playing for the win. If players actually roll over and let the opponent just kick their ass the immediate reaction would be that the match was fixed. Look up Dinamo Zagreb for such an example.

and let it be known that Naniwa did NOT micro his probes.

Nope. Most of the time those players run plays that are designed to end the game as quickly as possible so as to avoid injury so you are dead fucking wrong and stop making shit up for like the seventh time.


Dude I'm not making shit up I was always under the impression that teams have to play to win or else they get punished for it. Which in Association Football has actually resulted in the punishment of quite a few teams.

If you're talking about soccer, well... that is one of the most ridiculously whiny and girly sports in that respect that exists.

In a real sport, IE "American football" they aren't expected to give out bs lip service.


Was this really necessary? To talk down on a whole sport like this Way to show your class I guess.

I love soccer. I hate lip service, soccer mommy, "we all love eachother and respect eachother" BS.

I don't love or respect my opponents. I want to beat them and I don't give a flying fuck how they feel about anything I do. They are nothing to me.

and that goes doubly for any tournament I compete in. You are there to give me a place to compete. Beyond that? I don't give a shit.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
December 14 2011 11:51 GMT
#1827
On December 14 2011 20:46 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:44 Doraemon wrote:
i'm going to repost my analogy here because i think it's very relevant

how would you feel if someone comes to your poker game, starts throwing hands and revealing hands and just being disrespecful.

even though he didn't break any rules, he did not follow the etiquette of the game, would you want him back? no



Thing is the game he was playing didn't matter if he won or lost. It was more just for entertainment maybe Naniwa didn't know there would be such a reaction for him doing that...

Even if he did know there would be a huge reaction for him doing that in a game. He didn't break any rule.


revealing your hand at the end of the round does not break any rules or effect the result. it's about etiquette more than the rules.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
December 14 2011 11:51 GMT
#1828
On December 14 2011 20:50 Pwnographics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:49 samw wrote:
What nani did was questionable but what gom have done is unnaceptable he earned that seed, why revoke it for using a cheesy strategy


He wasn't suspended for the strategy but rather the disservice to the viewership.


They did a disservice to their viewership by forcing a meaningless match
stu >)
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37118 Posts
December 14 2011 11:51 GMT
#1829
On December 14 2011 20:49 baoluvboa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:48 sprekkt wrote:
I can see how they think this is disrespectful for his opponent. However i do not think his oppentent really thought so and if you asked him in all his onesty i think he was glad the game which didnt MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL was ended fast.

In my opinion it is way more disrespectful to make the commentators say that all the games always are the most high level they have ever seen and being so good damn good all the time. All the viewers have seen better games at some point and it takes away alot of the feeling when really cool moves are pulled off.

I am really sad for this decission from GOM and I would love to see some sort of collection of votes against it.


Nestea was pissed off from his twitter.


Does anyone have Naniwa's statements on this matter? I'm wondering how he's feeling
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
December 14 2011 11:51 GMT
#1830
On December 14 2011 20:48 ptrpb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:46 Serelitz wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:44 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:43 Vari wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:43 Shortynut wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:

I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol..


a probe rush actually has a chance of winning too, it's much much smaller but it IS a strategy, the problem people are having is that he did it under the circumstances of the competition (down 0-3 playing to stay out of last place in the group), that and he decided not to give viewers what they actually wanted, which was a rematch to settle the heat.

it's that he said he did it to throw the game.

Yes but MooMoo is saying that worker rush has a zero percent chance of winning a game, which is wrong.


At that level, yeah it won't work. No sc2 progamer will ever lose to a 7 worker rush, EVER. I'll literally eat my own hat if that ever happens.

What makes you so sure? What proof do you have that it 100% would not work other than "well I don't think it would work".


you aren't winning any arguments by doing this, and if you walked up to a GOM official or any professional gamer they'd laugh in your face if you tried to present this reasoning to them. also, any basic statistical analysis of GOM or the korean ladder (or any ladder) would reveal the infinitesmal amount of wins that worker rushing has under its belt.

just...stop. please.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
December 14 2011 11:51 GMT
#1831
On December 14 2011 20:47 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
It sucks that gom is basically punishing him for his personality


That's not an argument. Some personalities enjoy killing people....

I also think that throwing a game away by 6 pooling if you think it has zero chance to win should be punished, but it's impossible to tell. So the difference is that 6 pool is a valid strategy and many, many games have been won with a 6 pool, whether it involves trying your hardest or not. Naniwa didn't only not try his hardest, he didn't try at all.
TFOG
Profile Joined September 2011
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:52:15
December 14 2011 11:51 GMT
#1832
uhhh, sorry to disappoint some of you but... Winning a best of one wouldn't redeem nestea or "give him a chance at revenge."

Its a best of one people, as destiny put it on SotG, it might as well be a ladder match. As an example, he even said he beat Leenock on ladder, but does that mean anything? No, because its just ladder.

No one is going to get up and cheer proclaiming that Nestea got his revenge and reclaimed his honor after winning ONE GAME vs Naniwa, assuming he won. Like seriously guys..
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
December 14 2011 11:52 GMT
#1833
On December 14 2011 20:50 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:44 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:43 Vari wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:43 Shortynut wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:

I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol..


a probe rush actually has a chance of winning too, it's much much smaller but it IS a strategy, the problem people are having is that he did it under the circumstances of the competition (down 0-3 playing to stay out of last place in the group), that and he decided not to give viewers what they actually wanted, which was a rematch to settle the heat.

it's that he said he did it to throw the game.

Yes but MooMoo is saying that worker rush has a zero percent chance of winning a game, which is wrong.

The only chance a probe rush has of winning is if the opponent literally does nothing. It's as much a strategy as simply typing in gg when the game starts, because your opponent MIGHT type gg and leave faster than you do. So it's a viable strategy?


Maybe against idra.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:52:25
December 14 2011 11:52 GMT
#1834
On December 14 2011 20:50 Pwnographics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:49 samw wrote:
What nani did was questionable but what gom have done is unnaceptable he earned that seed, why revoke it for using a cheesy strategy


He wasn't suspended for the strategy but rather the disservice to the viewership.

You know what a disservice to the viewership is? Showing a meaningless game.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 11:52 GMT
#1835
On December 14 2011 20:50 Archerylady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:46 Vari wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:45 Archerylady wrote:
GOM is fucking pathetic. Funny that they say Naniwa is only in it for the money (not true at all), and then instantly invite Idra and Sen. Two players who are completely undeserving of Code S. Why? To keep foreigner viewership up. Because they don't care one bit about the competitors struggling in Code A, they care about money. Fucking hypocrites.

they aren't players

and while idra brings money it also brings what fans want to see so you're sort of trapping them. anything they do for the fans is also for the money...


Because players aren't allowed to want money? You know, the players who could be making a lot more money in a more normal profession with their intelligence level, but instead choosing to devote years of their life to a game that pays almost nothing. Those players? Yeah fuck them for wanting some return on their thousand of hours of practice.

not what I said. there's a difference between wanting to win money and only caring about money. the latter means if you can't win cash off a game you throw it away in the face of people who payed to watch you play, your fans, your team, and your opponent.

but I didn't say they can't want to win money at all. they should want to win money. they should also have some self respect when it comes to games that aren't about money.
Stroke Me Lady Fame
Pwnographics
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1097 Posts
December 14 2011 11:52 GMT
#1836
On December 14 2011 20:51 greatZERG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:50 Pwnographics wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:49 samw wrote:
What nani did was questionable but what gom have done is unnaceptable he earned that seed, why revoke it for using a cheesy strategy


He wasn't suspended for the strategy but rather the disservice to the viewership.


They did a disservice to their viewership by forcing a meaningless match


Two wrongs don't make a right unfortunately.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 14 2011 11:52 GMT
#1837
When GSL January finals end with Nestea doing 5 worker rushes because he felt disheartened playing against MVP again, then I want to see the reaction of all people who think it is ok to trow matches...
I had a good night of sleep.
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
December 14 2011 11:52 GMT
#1838
Might be time to follow BW.

SC2 scene just became a joke.
*burp*
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:53:41
December 14 2011 11:52 GMT
#1839
On December 14 2011 20:49 MooMooMugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:46 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:45 MooMooMugi wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:44 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:43 Vari wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:43 Shortynut wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:

I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol..


a probe rush actually has a chance of winning too, it's much much smaller but it IS a strategy, the problem people are having is that he did it under the circumstances of the competition (down 0-3 playing to stay out of last place in the group), that and he decided not to give viewers what they actually wanted, which was a rematch to settle the heat.

it's that he said he did it to throw the game.

Yes but MooMoo is saying that worker rush has a zero percent chance of winning a game, which is wrong.

0% against 6 pool.

Given any skill level?
Yeah, no.

Given if you're opponent is either Bronze or has no pulse, NesTea is neither

Alright let's bring the BlizzCon finals into this. NesTea creates a ton of broodlords and nothing else when MVP has mass ghosts, many vikings, and marines. Zero percent chance of winning that engagement, should NesTea be reprimanded?
If you argue "well it's not the GSL" then there goes the argument for "professionalizing eSports" because there will be no set standard.
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
December 14 2011 11:52 GMT
#1840
On December 14 2011 20:50 Archerylady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:46 Vari wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:45 Archerylady wrote:
GOM is fucking pathetic. Funny that they say Naniwa is only in it for the money (not true at all), and then instantly invite Idra and Sen. Two players who are completely undeserving of Code S. Why? To keep foreigner viewership up. Because they don't care one bit about the competitors struggling in Code A, they care about money. Fucking hypocrites.

they aren't players

and while idra brings money it also brings what fans want to see so you're sort of trapping them. anything they do for the fans is also for the money...


Because players aren't allowed to want money? You know, the players who could be making a lot more money in a more normal profession with their intelligence level, but instead choosing to devote years of their life to a game that pays almost nothing. Those players? Yeah fuck them for wanting some return on their thousand of hours of practice.


nice straw man, yo
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