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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 20:44 Doraemon wrote:
i'm going to repost my analogy here because i think it's very relevant
how would you feel if someone comes to your poker game, starts throwing hands and revealing hands and just being disrespecful.
even though he didn't break any rules, he did not follow the etiquette of the game, would you want him back? no
Thing is the game he was playing didn't matter if he won or lost. It was more just for entertainment maybe Naniwa didn't know there would be such a reaction for him doing that...
Even if he did know there would be a huge reaction for him doing that in a game. He didn't break any rule.
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On December 14 2011 20:44 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:43 razz wrote:
Respect to the people who payed is essential.
Respect to your opponent is essential.
Congratulations GOM for making an unpopular decision that defends the your principles! No it isn't. Only little kids and soccer mommies think that.
Your forgetting Professionals in there. They also like to uphold their principles because integrity is important in adulthood. You'll find that out when you get older.
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On December 14 2011 20:45 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:43 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 20:42 grobo wrote:On December 14 2011 20:41 Demonaz wrote:On December 14 2011 20:37 Klaent wrote:
What the fuck? This is fucking retarded... If it was Nestea doing a drone rush they would NEVER banned him, and the korean wouldnt have freaked the fuck out. Let him probe rush if he wants to, whats the big fucking deal... Oh they would totally punish nestea for the same thing, if anything it would be an even worse penalty I imagine Kind of like how the Koreans got punished for throwing games at WCG, oh wait.. The koreans didn't even mention the damn thing. 100% pure bias. Because GomTV was in charge of WCG right? Different tournament holders reserve the right to punish players the way they see fit. I know that... I'm saying they should have at least mentioned it in their news, but they didn't.
'Their news'? Who's news?
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As someone who doesn't even like Naniwa (don't know if I'd say I hate him, but I certainly don't like him), this is pretty fucking pathetic by GOM. Everyone talks about how Naniwa is an egotistical piece of crap, but this is a 100% ego move by GOMTV, and I will no longer buy any of their products, I also plan to watch a whole lot less of GSL next year.
Naniwa legitimately earned his code S spot. Revoking it simply because he did something that only made them look bad (but was probably a good thing overall for PR since all of the buzz it created) is extremely pathetic, especially when you consider that they (GOM and Naniwa) were only in that situation because of a terrible format (which is also nothing at all like the original Blizzard Cup format, and the only person to call GOM out on it is MVP, people should really be a lot more critical of GOM) that was created by GOM.
Also, even though I like Sen, giving him a code S seed is pretty lame. You can't just give a seed that was legitimately earned through a predetermined structure and give it to some random (not a knock against Sen's skill) foreigner because you revoked it from a foreigner. That's extremely unfair for all the players in code A and code B, if they're going to take away Naniwa's seed, it should become a wild card spot and become up for grabs.
All around, GOM is showing themselves to be just as classless as Naniwa. But unfortunately, there's nothing Naniwa can do because he's committed to Korea and there's no alternatives there, and there's nothing anyone who has gripes with GOM for their decision (and their decisions on other things) can do to affect GOM at all since they have a monopoly on the Korean players and they employ Tastosis (who people will watch no matter who's playing and how bad the games are, and will support no matter how wrong they are at things).
Again, this is pretty fucking pathetic.
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On December 14 2011 20:45 Archerylady wrote:
GOM is fucking pathetic. Funny that they say Naniwa is only in it for the money (not true at all), and then instantly invite Idra and Sen. Two players who are completely undeserving of Code S. Why? To keep foreigner viewership up. Because they don't care one bit about the competitors struggling in Code A, they care about money. Fucking hypocrites.
they aren't players
and while idra brings money it also brings what fans want to see so you're sort of trapping them. anything they do for the fans is also for the money...
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On December 14 2011 20:45 MooMooMugi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:44 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Shortynut wrote:On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol.. a probe rush actually has a chance of winning too, it's much much smaller but it IS a strategy, the problem people are having is that he did it under the circumstances of the competition (down 0-3 playing to stay out of last place in the group), that and he decided not to give viewers what they actually wanted, which was a rematch to settle the heat. it's that he said he did it to throw the game. Yes but MooMoo is saying that worker rush has a zero percent chance of winning a game, which is wrong. 0% against 6 pool.
Given any skill level?
Yeah, no.
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On December 14 2011 20:44 ander wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:41 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:39 nimdil wrote:On December 14 2011 20:35 ander wrote:
Yeah man, i agree with GOM, lets revoke Code-S status to players who use silly strategies in games and fall back on our incredibly vague rulebook that can be interpreted infinitely; especially if you aren't in tune with Korean culture despite the moniker "Global Starcraft League" In my eyes GSL is no more. It's obviously GomTV Korean Starcraft League so KSL which just happens to be top level SC2 league. What a joke. this is pathetic you pretend naniwa didn't do something that bothered people so you can cling to some idea of racism ...when they replaced him with non korean How was he supposed to know that what he did was wrong? I'd love it if you pointed me to the rule that explicitly says "Working rushing is a suspendable offense." Because he wasn't aware of that particular cultural difference does not make this decision acceptable.
probe rush = 100% loss
100% loss strategy in practice = guaranteed loss
guaranteed loss = throwing the game
throwing the game = punishment
punishment = ban, in this case
I'll keep this up until people stop posting this drivel. anyone with any common sense knows you're arguing retarded loopholes and it's insulting to the rest of us that you're even trying. "cultural difference" rofl
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Wow. No season pass for GOM then... Was looking forward to seeing Naniwa play.
Thats the most retarded descision ever
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On December 14 2011 20:44 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:43 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Shortynut wrote:On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:
I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol.. a probe rush actually has a chance of winning too, it's much much smaller but it IS a strategy, the problem people are having is that he did it under the circumstances of the competition (down 0-3 playing to stay out of last place in the group), that and he decided not to give viewers what they actually wanted, which was a rematch to settle the heat. it's that he said he did it to throw the game. Yes but MooMoo is saying that worker rush has a zero percent chance of winning a game, which is wrong.
At that level, yeah it won't work. No sc2 progamer will ever lose to a 7 worker rush, EVER. I'll literally eat my own hat if that ever happens.
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On December 14 2011 20:46 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:45 grobo wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 Pwnographics wrote:On December 14 2011 20:42 grobo wrote:On December 14 2011 20:41 Demonaz wrote:On December 14 2011 20:37 Klaent wrote:
What the fuck? This is fucking retarded... If it was Nestea doing a drone rush they would NEVER banned him, and the korean wouldnt have freaked the fuck out. Let him probe rush if he wants to, whats the big fucking deal... Oh they would totally punish nestea for the same thing, if anything it would be an even worse penalty I imagine Kind of like how the Koreans got punished for throwing games at WCG, oh wait.. The koreans didn't even mention the damn thing. 100% pure bias. Because GomTV was in charge of WCG right? Different tournament holders reserve the right to punish players the way they see fit. I know that... I'm saying they should have at least mentioned it in their news, but they didn't. 'Their news'? Who's news?
Don't be stupid
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Never again buying a pass from gomtv after this debacle.
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On December 14 2011 20:06 ptrpb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:04 ethos wrote:
He could have just spent 5, at most 10 minutes of his fucking life hashing out the last game, but instead he throws it, doing something that is obviously disrespectful to Gom?
Did you really think Gom would just sit idly by while someone gets on their stage and disrespects them?
How would that make them look?
It amazes me that such a large portion of the community supports this (obvious disrespect).
Some of you are like the kids that support Kanye. You're from South Korea so I'm sorry to say but your opinion may be skewed. For being a Global Star League, the GSL sure does incorporate so many different cultures. The only people who were seriously offended were some of the Koreans. Instead of considering the situation from more than one point a view, a GLOBAL point of view if you will, they say "He offended Koreans, he's out".
I am not from South Korea. I was born and raised on US Army bases. I imagine this would count as disrespect in pretty much every culture's books. What did you think this commotion was all about?
You guys are bullshitting yourselves if someone unnecessarily throwing a game wouldn't count as pointless disrespect anywhere else in the world. Almost any other prestigious organization would have reacted accordingly.
Not even trying is for all intents and purposes the same thing as no show.
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Looks like I won't be purchasing my GSL ticket.
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On December 14 2011 20:46 pookadin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:44 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:43 razz wrote:
Respect to the people who payed is essential.
Respect to your opponent is essential.
Congratulations GOM for making an unpopular decision that defends the your principles! No it isn't. Only little kids and soccer mommies think that. Your forgetting Professionals in there. They also like to uphold their principles because integrity is important in adulthood. You'll find that out when you get older.
Unless those principles negatively effect Koreans, of course.
See: Coca, HerO.
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I can only LAUGH at GOMTV/GSL for their impuslive overreaction.
What a fucking joke............................................ disgusting.
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I do agree that whoever plays in Korea on live national TV should respect their culture and that Naniwa could have handled the situation better.
However, GOM have had a day or so to consider what to do and as far as Im concerned they didnt need to release a bitchy statement and ban him.
IMO They should have fined him his match fee for the game and asked that he either a) apologised via a formal statement that was broadcast/ a formal statement that they could have read out on TV/posted on their site or b) taken care of things behind closed doors, had a word with him and told him in no uncertain terms if anything like this happens again you will be banned - and then announced this to their public/viewers
Unless there was behavior that I was not aware of after the game then this seems like what a mature responsible organisation would do, rather than make a statement that was a personal attack. If this happened in one of the worlds larger sports legal action against GOM would be in process right now, defamation etc.
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On December 14 2011 20:41 SilverLeagueElite wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:30 Weemoed wrote:On December 14 2011 20:28 TheDwf wrote:On December 14 2011 20:27 Dreamgzer wrote:
Also, as I said in another post; GOMtv will lose it's Sweden support. The universe collapses. GOM viewers per country (top 5): 1. United States 2. Canada 3. Sweden 4. Australia 5. England I saw a video from Gom site that shows Korean viewers is more than all foreign viewers combined. Due to GSL being free in Korea of course... but still.
Yes.. Gomtv is a television network in Korea. The stats released by team CoL does not include Korea because there is a higher Korean viewer count when compared to all foreign viewers combined.
As for viewers lost, they will definitely lose more Korean viewers than foreigner viewers if they chose to ignore Naniwa's actions. So therefore, from a business standpoint, their final decision was logical. I doubt many people who are outraged considered this before stating their opinions.
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I applaud this decision. His fans out there can complain all they want, but what Naniwa did in his match against Nestea is inexcusable and this punishment is fitting. I always liked GSL, but this just proves it beyond any doubt; where KeSPA leagues and tournaments were riddled with retarded decisions, GSL is doing everything right. I love this tournament and I'm glad I bought the year pass.
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On December 14 2011 20:44 Doraemon wrote:
i'm going to repost my analogy here because i think it's very relevant
how would you feel if someone comes to your poker game, starts throwing hands and revealing hands and just being disrespecful.
even though he didn't break any rules, he did not follow the etiquette of the game, would you want him back? no
That is not relevant. That's etiquette of the game; this is about etiquette of a country. The term "bm" is universally acknowledged through SC; however, in Korea, it means something completely different.
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On December 14 2011 20:44 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:42 Zzoram wrote:
The game was not meaningless. Tons of people wanted to see him beat Nestea again, and Nestea wanted a chance at revenge. Naniwa maybe fell under pressure from stress he did play 3 very close games that he almost won after all. Imagine how Naniwa feels after he did nothing wrong getting revoked his Code S Spot after his hard work....
He may feel he did nothing wrong, but a ton of fans and GomTV felt otherwise.
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