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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:42 Zzoram wrote: The game was not meaningless. Tons of people wanted to see him beat Nestea again, and Nestea wanted a chance at revenge. Naniwa maybe fell under pressure from stress he did play 3 very close games that he almost won after all. Imagine how Naniwa feels after he did nothing wrong getting revoked his Code S Spot after his hard work.... | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:43 ptrpb wrote: Fact is that the worker rush doesn't have a ZERO percent chance of winning. If NesTea botched his micro somehow he could lose. So that bares the question, how low or high of a win chance does a strategy have to have before it's deemed "OFFENSIVE". when you say you were throwing the game | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
how would you feel if someone comes to your poker game, starts throwing hands and revealing hands and just being disrespecful. even though he didn't break any rules, he did not follow the etiquette of the game, would you want him back? no | ||
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LeopoldStotch
United States158 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:40 ReboundEU wrote: Didn't know u need 300APM to micro 6 probes...it's good to know..thank u for the knowledge bomb How do you micro without a keyboard smart guy? Are you implying that Naniwa thought he had a chance of winning the way he played? | ||
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kslghost
246 Posts
You guys need to get over the idea that a game being meaningless is an excuse to not give an effort. You get a chance to play a real game against m-fking nestea, a 3 time champion. It matters to anyone who has a modicum of pride. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:43 Vari wrote: it's that he said he did it to throw the game. Yes but MooMoo is saying that worker rush has a zero percent chance of winning a game, which is wrong. | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:43 Vardant wrote: What about GOM's decision on Jinro "incident" during the Code S selections? He broke a rule, an actual rule, but wasn't punished and he could reverse his decision. I know it was a joke and I'm actually behind Jinro on this, it was just a joke and he didn't know, but that wouldn't normally matter. If you agree, that Naniwa should be banned, then where were you during this? Shouldn't you have asked GOM to punish him? They wouldn't be punishing Jinro, it'd be a punishment inflicted on HuK as a result of Jinro's wrong doing. | ||
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ander
Canada403 Posts
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Archerylady
277 Posts
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:43 Pwnographics wrote: Because GomTV was in charge of WCG right? Different tournament holders reserve the right to punish players the way they see fit. I know that... I'm saying they should have at least mentioned it in their news, but they didn't. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:44 XRaDiiX wrote: Naniwa maybe fell under pressure from stress he did play 3 very close games that he almost won after all. Imagine how Naniwa feels after he did nothing wrong getting revoked his Code S Spot after his hard work.... One of the best player in the world Nestea just got decimated, imagine how he feels. Its Naniwa's personal problem and he chose to be unprofessional. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:44 XRaDiiX wrote: Naniwa maybe fell under pressure from stress he did play 3 very close games that he almost won after all. Imagine how Naniwa feels after he did nothing wrong getting revoked his Code S Spot after his hard work.... well, no need to fulfill obligations when you are feeling stressed! I hope the way he feels in some way guides him to some improvement that will keep him getting kicked off teams and out of tournaments. | ||
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kleetzor
Germany360 Posts
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:43 Vari wrote: he probably got fined money but finding one example doesn't prove anything. bynum acted wrongly in that example and I guarantee he got shit for it. I hope he was penalized, it's the right thing to do Most of those games kobe and lamar were on the bench not to return with 5 minutes left which is basically conceding the game. How many times in all sorts of pro sports do star players all of a sudden have mysterious injuries towards the end of blowouts that never cause them to miss practice yet are always fine when they are winning. Of course he was penalized he threw a barrea on the ground blatantly for no reason when they were getting blown out, kind of funny that you comment like you know basketball yet obviously don't watch it. | ||
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Ucs
264 Posts
Now If you look at esports as a legitimate sport then you have to have the same standards as other profession sports. If you compare with other sports you have to agree that what Naniwa did is punishable. You don't throw games in professional sports. If you look at esports as nothing but a hobby, nothing professional then you can't blame GOM for anything. GOM can do whatever they want because the decision rests in their hands and they have to keep the korean viewers and global viewers equally entertained and the teams/players as happy as possible. Some people want to have professional esports and have their favorite players get special treatment. It's just not right. Look at coca, it wasent even throwing a game in the GSL and he still got punished more HARSHLY than naniwa. As for the accusations about the format GOM chose all I can say is that Naniwa was not forced to play in the Blizzard cup. He chose to play in the Blizzard cup, and usually when you agree to do something you have some privilages(oportunity to win money) but also some responsability. Like in any contract you have to provide your side of the deal. He didn't. What if everyone would just throw games like that? Where would it end? What would you allow? You forget that GOM has a training house for foreigners. They actually try very hard to give foreigners everything they can: translator, a place to stay, PC's, internet. You also forget that they give foreigners CODE A/S spots for GSL in MLG's and other tournaments even thou koreans that might be better get stuck in forever code B. There are players taht are better and never get a chance to play due to just some stupid bad luck. Is it so much to ask for so little? Just play your games and be mannered. | ||
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Patientia
United States9 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:44 ptrpb wrote: Yes but MooMoo is saying that worker rush has a zero percent chance of winning a game, which is wrong. 0% against 6 pool. | ||
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pms
Poland611 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:36 Haiku-Fr wrote: I don't how this became such a drama ? IMO Gom should have officially warn and give a blame Naniwa for his behaviour, which is not compatible with their standard, remind their rule about 'abusive behavior', and explain next time someone does the same, it may be a ban. And also explain that they will work on improving their format to increase the audience experience. This would have been a constructive follow-up in a tough situation. But an out-of-the-blue code S revocation is a bit extreme and just add drama over drama. Naniwa behaviour was bad (but understandable considering the format), but as far as I'm concerned, Gom reaction seems quite epidemic and arbitrary, and somehow childish too. I'm pretty disappointed by all of this... +1 User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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1danielp
Sweden1 Post
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MasterBlasterCaster
United States568 Posts
On December 14 2011 20:43 Ysellian wrote: Dude I'm not making shit up I was always under the impression that teams have to play to win or else they get punished for it. Which in Association Football has actually resulted in the punishment of quite a few teams. If you're talking about soccer, well... that is one of the most ridiculously whiny and girly sports in that respect that exists. In a real sport, IE "American football" they aren't expected to give out bs lip service. | ||
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