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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 14 2011 20:37 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:34 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:33 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:32 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:31 jyisvip wrote:On December 14 2011 20:27 Jakkerr wrote:
Just a question for all the guys agreeing with GOM's decision.
Think about it for a second and answer it honestly:
You are playing with 200% focus but still went 0-3, you are incredibly frustrated by it and really just want to go home and lay in bed or something.
Then sum1 comes up to you and tells you have to play your 4th game vs another guy that's also 0-3 because it was scheduled.
Would you be able to play it serious and not just do something retarded and get it over with? In any sport, do you see players stop giving a shit and sits down on the bench because they are losing, not able to come back and only 5 minutes left on the clock? No, you dont see that. If everyone here that wants e-sports to grow then everyone needs to act more professional and not act like however your mood is at the moment. Yes you do see that ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Stop making shit up. they literally always finish the game Actually, they "literally always" pull their starters and basically kneel out. So you're wrong. Stop making shit up. pulling their starters = playing the game the equivalent to what everyone is saying, at least look like you're trying. naniwa didn't pull his starters, he rolled the ball to the other team. Teams kneel out when they are winning and they can kill the clock. I have made nothing up at all.
pulling their starters and running plays that have 0 chance of working without using any timeouts = accepting defeat.
Most teams won't even run a fucking play at that point.
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On December 14 2011 20:27 myk3 wrote:
The guys are called Pro-Gamers, that implies they are "Professionals" at what they do. I don't see any Professional in any other sport forfeit the chance to beat one of the top 5 other contenders in that sport, regardless of what tournament situation they are in.
I have seen a lot of this actually. Bronze medal game in many tournaments are often considered somewhat useless, since neither team would actually want to play this since both teams have just lost the semi-finals and are pretty devastated because of it. Hence the games arent that good and usually the team that cares only a bit will win. Its not forfeiting per ce, but comes quite close to it.
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On December 14 2011 20:39 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:36 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:35 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:32 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:29 ander wrote:
This thread is one of the biggest jokes i think i've ever seen on teamliquid. The amount of hypocrisy is beyond belief.
It was a meaningless game; if you've ever even slightly payed attention to sport before, you'll know that there are indeed such things as meaningless games.
If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling?
What about the fact that idra has previously outright refused to play matches? Holy shit, everyone grab your pitchfork.
This is an embarrassment. I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol.. Worker rush works against a 6 pool, it has a win rate. Therefore it is also legit. This argument has been crushed so many times in this thread. Sorry I forgot that 7 probes beats 6 zerglings+5 drones I'm sorry You get there before the lings pop out.. rofl. doesn't work as a counter, I've tested it. You just don't build the pool OR cancel it and make 3 drones at once, run your drones around until they pop and then you win. So it doesn't counter even 6pool.
Holy shit you've tested it, excellent work scientist. Do you have a youtube channel or something i can check out?
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On December 14 2011 20:39 discw wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:33 hzflank wrote:
I am finding it really hard to understand how anyone can defend Naniwa in this thread. I am finding it really hard to understand how anyone can get upset about someone throwing a completely meaningless game. Very disappointing move by gomtv, I thought they were better then this.
Meaningless to you? OK? Good thing your point of view isn't the only one that exists.
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On December 14 2011 20:30 Weemoed wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:28 TheDwf wrote:On December 14 2011 20:27 Dreamgzer wrote:
Also, as I said in another post; GOMtv will lose it's Sweden support. The universe collapses. GOM viewers per country (top 5): 1. United States 2. Canada 3. Sweden 4. Australia 5. England
I saw a video from Gom site that shows Korean viewers is more than all foreign viewers combined. Due to GSL being free in Korea of course... but still.
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This is a bad decision, Naniwa may have been a tool, but still,
you shouldnt ban someone just for using that strategy, there is a time and place that a probe rush will work, and removing it from the game entirely, which is what they are doing, is just stupid. banning him just because he didnt play the game to whatever arbitrary criteria they deem is proper is just insane and a little megolomanic.
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On December 14 2011 20:38 MooMooMugi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:36 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:35 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:32 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:29 ander wrote:
This thread is one of the biggest jokes i think i've ever seen on teamliquid. The amount of hypocrisy is beyond belief.
It was a meaningless game; if you've ever even slightly payed attention to sport before, you'll know that there are indeed such things as meaningless games.
If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling?
What about the fact that idra has previously outright refused to play matches? Holy shit, everyone grab your pitchfork.
This is an embarrassment. I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol.. Worker rush works against a 6 pool, it has a win rate. Therefore it is also legit. This argument has been crushed so many times in this thread. Sorry I forgot that 7 probes beats 6 zerglings+5 drones I'm sorry You get there before the lings pop out.. rofl. I also missed the fact that 7 probes arrive to a Zerg base in under 1 minute on a 4 PLAYER map and the Zerg player(NesTea) would be incompetent enough to let his drones freely die to probes before zerglings pop out
Well, if it was a 4 player map, where were the two other players? I think those should be banned instead, they didn't even show up to the game, something Naniwa and Nestea did.
;D
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On December 14 2011 20:37 Klaent wrote:
What the fuck? This is fucking retarded... If it was Nestea doing a drone rush they would NEVER banned him, and the korean wouldnt have freaked the fuck out. Let him probe rush if he wants to, whats the big fucking deal...
Oh they would totally punish nestea for the same thing, if anything it would be an even worse penalty I imagine
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On December 14 2011 20:38 Nate.F wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:38 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:36 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:35 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:32 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:29 ander wrote:
This thread is one of the biggest jokes i think i've ever seen on teamliquid. The amount of hypocrisy is beyond belief.
It was a meaningless game; if you've ever even slightly payed attention to sport before, you'll know that there are indeed such things as meaningless games.
If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling?
What about the fact that idra has previously outright refused to play matches? Holy shit, everyone grab your pitchfork.
This is an embarrassment. I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol.. Worker rush works against a 6 pool, it has a win rate. Therefore it is also legit. This argument has been crushed so many times in this thread. Sorry I forgot that 7 probes beats 6 zerglings+5 drones I'm sorry You get there before the lings pop out.. rofl. I also missed the fact that 7 probes arrive to a Zerg base in under 1 minute on a 4 PLAYER map and the Zerg player(NesTea) would be incompetent enough to let his drones freely die to probes before zerglings die umm it was forced cross pos iirc
Forced cross position doesnt matter. 7 probes cannot kill 5 drones or a hatchery fast enough before the zerg has more units and beats you.
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On December 14 2011 20:39 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:35 ander wrote:
Yeah man, i agree with GOM, lets revoke Code-S status to players who use silly strategies in games and fall back on our incredibly vague rulebook that can be interpreted infinitely; especially if you aren't in tune with Korean culture despite the moniker "Global Starcraft League" In my eyes GSL is no more. It's obviously GomTV Korean Starcraft League so KSL which just happens to be top level SC2 league. What a joke.
How does this decision change the fact that it is a Global Starcraft League?
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On December 14 2011 20:40 ReboundEU wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:39 LeopoldStotch wrote:On December 14 2011 20:32 ptrpb wrote:On December 14 2011 20:30 MooMooMugi wrote:On December 14 2011 20:29 ander wrote:
This thread is one of the biggest jokes i think i've ever seen on teamliquid. The amount of hypocrisy is beyond belief.
It was a meaningless game; if you've ever even slightly payed attention to sport before, you'll know that there are indeed such things as meaningless games.
If you support GSL's decision, then you also probably support the removal of manner mules, people pulling scv's, and MC's throat slash. You cannot say that he threw the game; he obviously could have just 4gated and nobody would have cried. What if nestea was 6pooling?
What about the fact that idra has previously outright refused to play matches? Holy shit, everyone grab your pitchfork.
This is an embarrassment. I think you are confusing a probe rush with a 6 pool. A 6 pool is a strategy that actually has a chance of winning no matter how small it is. Not to mention 6-pool is actually a good strategy on Tal'Darim Alter lol.. Worker rush works against a 6 pool, it has a win rate. Therefore it is also legit. This argument has been crushed so many times in this thread. His worker rush had zero chance of working. How do you win with zero micro? His hands weren't even on the keyboard. On December 14 2011 20:27 anrimayu wrote:This thread is pointless, not even gonna try. Just gonna Didn't know u need 300APM to micro 6 probes...it's good to know..thank u for the knowledge bomb
yeah hes going to click on the "attack" icon and click on a drone. dat mouse dexterity
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On December 14 2011 20:39 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:35 ander wrote:
Yeah man, i agree with GOM, lets revoke Code-S status to players who use silly strategies in games and fall back on our incredibly vague rulebook that can be interpreted infinitely; especially if you aren't in tune with Korean culture despite the moniker "Global Starcraft League" In my eyes GSL is no more. It's obviously GomTV Korean Starcraft League so KSL which just happens to be top level SC2 league. What a joke.
this is pathetic
you pretend naniwa didn't do something that bothered people so you can cling to some idea of racism
...when they replaced him with non korean
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I'm glad at least ONE tournament is enforcing their rules. God forbid MLG from enforcing their own rules in 2012!
For people to take SC2 seriously, things like this needs to happen. Even though people are outraged, everyone should treat this as a step forwards, not backwards towards a better esports future.
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On December 14 2011 20:39 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:35 ander wrote:
Yeah man, i agree with GOM, lets revoke Code-S status to players who use silly strategies in games and fall back on our incredibly vague rulebook that can be interpreted infinitely; especially if you aren't in tune with Korean culture despite the moniker "Global Starcraft League" In my eyes GSL is no more. It's obviously GomTV Korean Starcraft League so KSL which just happens to be top level SC2 league. What a joke.
I really hope you detected my sarcasm in my post.
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On December 14 2011 20:40 Vandalman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:35 bigjenk wrote:On December 14 2011 20:33 Vari wrote:On December 14 2011 20:32 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:On December 14 2011 20:31 jyisvip wrote:On December 14 2011 20:27 Jakkerr wrote:
Just a question for all the guys agreeing with GOM's decision.
Think about it for a second and answer it honestly:
You are playing with 200% focus but still went 0-3, you are incredibly frustrated by it and really just want to go home and lay in bed or something.
Then sum1 comes up to you and tells you have to play your 4th game vs another guy that's also 0-3 because it was scheduled.
Would you be able to play it serious and not just do something retarded and get it over with? In any sport, do you see players stop giving a shit and sits down on the bench because they are losing, not able to come back and only 5 minutes left on the clock? No, you dont see that. If everyone here that wants e-sports to grow then everyone needs to act more professional and not act like however your mood is at the moment. Yes you do see that ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Stop making shit up. they literally always finish the game Good players do it all the time leaving the bench players to go sit through the end of the game. Literally ever lakers starter did it multiple times in the dallas series last year. I have yet to see one laker starter just lay down on the court and say score on us and win the game....
How about bynum getting purposefully ejected so he could leave? OOOHHHHSNAPP!!!!!
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I just don't understand why Choya tweeted he shouldn't be a progamer, coming from him who got banned for going at it with rock, papper, scissor.
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On December 14 2011 20:41 elsation wrote:
This is a bad decision, Naniwa may have been a tool, but still,
you shouldnt ban someone just for using that strategy, there is a time and place that a probe rush will work, and removing it from the game entirely, which is what they are doing, is just stupid. banning him just because he didnt play the game to whatever arbitrary criteria they deem is proper is just insane and a little megolomanic.
he said he threw the game so they didn't remove the strategy at all.
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On December 14 2011 20:41 elsation wrote:
This is a bad decision, Naniwa may have been a tool, but still,
you shouldnt ban someone just for using that strategy, there is a time and place that a probe rush will work, and removing it from the game entirely, which is what they are doing, is just stupid. banning him just because he didnt play the game to whatever arbitrary criteria they deem is proper is just insane and a little megolomanic.
They suspended him because he was doing a disservice to the viewer ship.
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On December 14 2011 20:40 Vari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:39 Catbus wrote:
I just wonder why they made them play the game even though games are normally cancelled by GOM if they mean nothing.
I would also like to always play X games in a BoX, otherwise I am missing out and the players should play to amuse me. for the viewers
Why dont they normally do it? Dont they always have viewers?
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On December 14 2011 20:41 Demonaz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 20:37 Klaent wrote:
What the fuck? This is fucking retarded... If it was Nestea doing a drone rush they would NEVER banned him, and the korean wouldnt have freaked the fuck out. Let him probe rush if he wants to, whats the big fucking deal... Oh they would totally punish nestea for the same thing, if anything it would be an even worse penalty I imagine
Kind of like how the Koreans got punished for throwing games at WCG, oh wait..
The koreans didn't even mention the damn thing.
100% pure bias.
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