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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 14 2011 11:22 GMT
#1421
I used to think NaNiWa has the spirit of a winner, but yesterday he showed he has not. It doesn't matter if something is on the line if you can still win a game, a winner would always choose to fight and win it.

Besides that, he also took NesTeas chance to win the game and take "revenge" for his losses at MLG etc. Perfectly fine and reasonable choice from GSL.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
December 14 2011 11:22 GMT
#1422
On December 14 2011 20:21 Alkro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:20 Zubrowka wrote:
Well done by GSL.

We pay to see games on the highest lvl, and he makes that crap.....
Esports are Sports and that wasnt sportsmanlike.....just fail.


I guess you haven't seen alot of sport! Games that mean nothing are constantly "thrown" in professional sports and no one really cares about it. Does it really matter how you throw the game? In my eyes Naniwa was just honest instead of pretending to play a decent game.


I watched enough sports to know that if any team just starts dicking around like walking and doing nothing during a game they would be beheaded, even if they have no chance to going on
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
December 14 2011 11:22 GMT
#1423
On December 14 2011 20:13 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!

Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.

This match wasnt meaningless, if not for Naniwa it has meaning for audience, probably for NesTea...
This is not a playground for 3yo kinds, this is professional tournament, for professional players.
His duty as a player was to give his best in that game!


With all his heart!? Do you really think that any progamer can do this after being eliminated in the most frustrating manner in 3 extremely close games?

For Nestea and Naniwa it stopped being a tournament the moment they got 0-3. From them on it became an annoying waste of time.

Also, it's quite disrespectful to start a post with "Kids"...
Ryuuka
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden87 Posts
December 14 2011 11:22 GMT
#1424
God.. this is ridiculous. Well I guess it's their decision. I wonder if they would have done it if he microed his probes...
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
December 14 2011 11:22 GMT
#1425
im boycotting GSL, was considering buying a 1 year pass, but after this was undeserved.. GOMTV are taking this way too seriously.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
December 14 2011 11:22 GMT
#1426
On December 14 2011 20:21 tnud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:20 valaki wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:15 klaxen wrote:
Everyone is done with GSL. I guess you don't like watching the best players.


I do like that. Naniwa isn't one of them.

He is. He got many very solid titles to his name and put up really good games in the Blizzard Cup. I don't even know where to start.


Start out by pointing out a game he has won in GSL.

I honestly think Sen will do much better in GSL then Naniwa
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1427
HuK mothership rushes and looses on purpose but is treated like a superhero.

Naniwa makes a probe rush and looses on purpose but gets revoked by biased judges.


What Naniwa did wasnt a rush , and it wasnt a viable strategy , he just lost the game on purpose.. I guess he will learn what not to do , the hard way...

t though he was going to get a warning , not a temporary ban , but he deserves it even though GOM also as fault of making players play a game after they have been eliminated
ja foste
Cheno
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark70 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1428
Nani had this coming. GomTV did the right thing to show that such immature behavior isn't accepted. Even if this case isn't fully justified, people will think twice about doing something like this again and that's the whole point of this ban.

Now get on with it, GSL is still the best without nani, he just got what he deserved. I would be fucking mad if i had paid for it, but nani decided to take things into his own hands.
Information is power!
SeriouR
Profile Joined November 2010
Spain622 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1429
I've sent an e-mail to Gom speaking my mind. Everyone should do that so thay can see what their behaivour had caused.
Trance music makes the fairys dance
dmdx
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden3 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1430
On December 14 2011 20:03 theBALLS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:02 GwSC wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:00 johanreidel wrote:
I guess this is a cultural thing where appearance trumps honesty, to bad Naniwa comes from a culture where it's the reversed.

Remember kids, it's all about saving face and keeping up appearances! Honesty is for losers...


Way to insult both Korean and Swedish culture in the same post, even if you only meant to insult Korean culture.

Someone please ban that idiot. He is incredibly insulting.


It isn't insulting to swedish people as we embrace people being different. Your post attacking him and calling him an idiot for voicing his impression and opinion is however unnecessary and should by korean standards result in a revoke of forum rights.
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1431
On December 14 2011 20:22 MisterTea wrote:
What a complete and utter fuckign joke

the game should not have been played it had no meaning, i wont be paying for gsl anymore

all games have meaning

especially when they were already scheduled, known by all people involved, and the players were paid to play them.
Stroke Me Lady Fame
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1432
Who else is now going to buy a ticket with their newfound respect for GOM?

I know I am!
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
ptrpb
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:24:28
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1433
On December 14 2011 20:21 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:18 ptrpb wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:17 Tobberoth wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:16 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
So we are going to let koreans rule the rest of the world now?

What about "korean tournament" do you connect to "the world"? Make sense.

Global StarLeage

It's just a name. Just like, you know, NASL doesn't stick to players from North America? It's still a tournament in Korea, run by a Korean company, with almost nothing but korean players. If you're in rome, act like the romans.

Then you don't call yourself GLOBAL, NASL is NASL because it's run in North America.
It's not the Korean SL, its the GSL.
MBAACC | SG | shit at fighting games
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1434
On December 14 2011 20:18 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:11 tomatriedes wrote:
So to all the people ranting about how unprofessional Naniwa is- do you think that BM winning/taunting ceremonies like manner mules,hatches and nexuses and unit dancing (all things that Gom allows) are 'professional'?



Looks like nobody's got an answer to this? That's what I figured.


I asked the exact same thing on reddit and got downvoted to oblivion.
Where is the line? This is a really dangerous precedent.
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
defense
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil42 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:25:43
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1435
LOL at people that keep saying the match was meaningless, so its ok to forfeit, and criticizing the format.

Really? The format is pretty clear and works very well; god, so much bias defending a player that refuses to show a match THAT WE PAID FOR.
qoiN
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden576 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1436
Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


So why hasn't other players gotten their Code S revoked before? If you take a look at LR threads people go apeshit as soon as someone does any kind of cheese. Jinro caused a lot of drama and started cursing (I don't give a shit but a lot people do) during the live group selection, no punishment there either. But for some reason when Naniwa is involved it's always okay to punish him? It's ridiculous.
jyisvip
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada209 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1437
To anyone trying to justify probe rush as a valid cheese strat vs 6 pool, dont even try.
trucane
Profile Joined January 2009
United States553 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1438
On December 14 2011 20:18 GD1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:16 trucane wrote:
I guess this is what happens when you host something as the GSL in a country who hates other cultures. I am from Sweden and I have learned from young age to respect other cultures even if I don't always agree with them. I guess thats what is being raised in a civilized western country. Maybe we are wrong and should be more like Korea, force every immigrant to behave just like us swedes or punish them in every single way we know of. Would that be fair?


Are you seriously retarded? Can all the swedish people here please stop ur retarded biased bullshit, u dont have anything to say so u spit out the most dumb shit u can think of.
I'm from sweden aswell and this is just embarassing


And what do you have to say? Real mature for you insult me when I bring up some important facts. I guess you are one of those swedes who go out on the streets insulting everyone from a different culture
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1439
On December 14 2011 20:22 TheExile19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:19 archonOOid wrote:
I feel like the rule naniwa broke against is very vague and so it's up to GSL to determine whether he broke it or not. It feels like GOMtv/GSL has some kind of grudge against naniwa because you can win a probe rush if you opponent goes for a 6 pool. Naniwa clearly tried to out smart neastea but he stuck with a standard build.


people who think a probe rush is realistically anything but a 100% loss are fucking stupid. I'm sorry, I can't phrase it any other way and I'm just so tired of seeing it in this thread. probe rush = 0% win rate = guaranteed loss. guaranteed loss = throwing the game. throwing the game = punishment. punishment = ban, in this case.

fucking deal with it.

You do realise that Idra has done the very same in a number of tournaments and we just shrug it off with "Oh Idra.."
People are hating on naniwa so much lately I bet you all would be happy if he fell over and broke his spine.
- ಠ_ಠ - | disinfect wrote: AHAHHAHAHA 2DG FUCK ME ALREADY.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1440
On December 14 2011 20:20 Nate.F wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:19 archonOOid wrote:
I feel like the rule naniwa broke against is very vague and so it's up to GSL to determine whether he broke it or not. It feels like GOMtv/GSL has some kind of grudge against naniwa because you can win a probe rush if you opponent goes for a 6 pool. Naniwa clearly tried to out smart neastea but he stuck with a standard build.

rules have to be vague or people will find loopholes to get around it -_-

As a lawyer, please take my word on the fact that what you just wrote is nonsense.

Laws are not meant to be vague at all. They are supposed to be very clear so that people know the lawful boundaries and can act within the scope of the law. Ambiguity actually makes for invalid law...
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