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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.

Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned!
- Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM
- Comparing people to Hitler
- Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
December 14 2011 11:23 GMT
#1441
So what actually happened on nestea twitter. I asked earlier and looked but its all in Korean so i dont understand.
twitch.tv/medrea
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1442
On December 14 2011 20:22 TheExile19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:19 archonOOid wrote:
I feel like the rule naniwa broke against is very vague and so it's up to GSL to determine whether he broke it or not. It feels like GOMtv/GSL has some kind of grudge against naniwa because you can win a probe rush if you opponent goes for a 6 pool. Naniwa clearly tried to out smart neastea but he stuck with a standard build.


people who think a probe rush is realistically anything but a 100% loss are fucking stupid. I'm sorry, I can't phrase it any other way and I'm just so tired of seeing it in this thread.

People who think that there is a difference between probe rushing and 4-gate a-move are "fucking stupid"...
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45855 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1443
On December 14 2011 20:22 ReaperX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:19 Nizaris wrote:
What exactly happened ? i read like 10pages and i still don't know.. sry


1. They didn't permanently ban him, but revoked his Code S spot and gave it to Sen.

2. They said it was because he offended the audience by throwing away a (meaningless) game against Nestea at the recent Blizzard Cup, and that breaks a rule. With the amount of BM that already exists in the GSL matches inside the game and out (with celebrations), that rule that Naniwa got hit by is bullshit.


Didn't give it to Sen!


Is OP wrong then? Should be updated
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Suppression
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1444
Why so serious? No warnings anymore?
There is no real me: only an entity, something illusory.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:24:17
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1445
On December 14 2011 20:21 Highways wrote:
Wow Artosis still on about mech.

Mech is possible in TvT, but impossible in TvP...


Yet MMA made TvP Mech work last night
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1446
On December 14 2011 20:17 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:16 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
So we are going to let koreans rule the rest of the world now?

What about "korean tournament" do you connect to "the world"? Make sense.

Kespa and GSL seems to have their own way of doing things, not even opening up for debates. It's obvious they want to be in control of the game and this just proves it. When one side decides what right and what's wrong and then, without warning, unleashes the banhammer, we're going to have a problem. This time it's global.
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1447
Retarded decision. Was thinking about buying a pass but now I will definitely not buy one and just download all the vods.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
sicajung
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom297 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1448
well done Mr Chae. awesome decision. props to GSL.
ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1449
On December 14 2011 20:22 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:21 tnud wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:20 valaki wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:15 klaxen wrote:
Everyone is done with GSL. I guess you don't like watching the best players.


I do like that. Naniwa isn't one of them.

He is. He got many very solid titles to his name and put up really good games in the Blizzard Cup. I don't even know where to start.


Start out by pointing out a game he has won in GSL.

I honestly think Sen will do much better in GSL then Naniwa


Start out by pointing out a game Sen has won in the GSL.
Artosis : Clide. idrA : Shut up.
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1450
On December 14 2011 20:22 ggrrg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:13 Sailincieri wrote:
Kids, this is obvious decision, you should understand why...
GSL is tournament for professional players, playing is profession, not some kind of fun.
In GSL they play for audience! Not for themselves. Do you think in normal JOB you can say to your boss that you have bad humor and dont wanna work? NO!

Naniwa, no matter what he think, should just sit in that booth and give fight with all his heart! To respect Korean audience, NesTea, GSL stuff, online audience etc.

This match wasnt meaningless, if not for Naniwa it has meaning for audience, probably for NesTea...
This is not a playground for 3yo kinds, this is professional tournament, for professional players.
His duty as a player was to give his best in that game!


With all his heart!? Do you really think that any progamer can do this after being eliminated in the most frustrating manner in 3 extremely close games?

For Nestea and Naniwa it stopped being a tournament the moment they got 0-3. From them on it became an annoying waste of time.

Also, it's quite disrespectful to start a post with "Kids"...

I disagree that a chance to beat one of the best players in the world, considered by many to be the best zerg, on live tv in his home country is a waste of time...
Stroke Me Lady Fame
Taege
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden4 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1451
and i seriously had plans on paying for gsl this year. thanks for making my decision a lot easier!
Thorzain
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1452
That's just bullshit to say the least. He had nothing to play for and there was absolutely zero on the line. Doing what he did is cheese so basically anyone who cheeses in GSL either cannon rush, proxy buildings/hidden tech, or bunker rushes will be any sort of seed they have revoked right? Well I hope so cause they just set quite the presidence for it. If they dont then it was nothing more then them flexing muscle for no reason at all.So I do hope they stick by that presidence cause otherwise they make themselves a joke.
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1453
I cant believe this... if he made some lame cheese-allin I doubt this would have happend, even the most stupid thing he could've done like a onegate zealot push, as he said himself this is no different from what Stephano did. This is exactly what's wrong with people today. People want to believe in crap, they want to be fooled and showered in "gold" even if the gold is just stones and urine cuz then they can pretend that the world is better than it really is.

Instead just cut the crap and see things for what they actually are.

Then again I can see why Gom and other officials acted the way they did, but explain this to me, how is what naniwa did any different from 6pooling or doing some other blind cheese all in considering this:

"- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours"
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1454
On December 14 2011 20:23 theBALLS wrote:
Who else is now going to buy a ticket with their newfound respect for GOM?

I know I am!


Haha, I don't think anyone will seriously boycott GOM. Anyone who gets so upset over this is far too much of a SC2 addict to pass up on GSL
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
jyisvip
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada209 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1455
On December 14 2011 20:23 qoiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
Warning or disqualification
- 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때
- During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours


So why hasn't other players gotten their Code S revoked before? If you take a look at LR threads people go apeshit as soon as someone does any kind of cheese. Jinro caused a lot of drama and started cursing (I don't give a shit but a lot people do) during the live group selection, no punishment there either. But for some reason when Naniwa is involved it's always okay to punish him? It's ridiculous.


Because there is a difference between just throwing the game and at least trying to win by cheesing. You seriously can't tell the difference?
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1456
On December 14 2011 20:22 Nate.F wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:21 Roxy wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:17 parkin wrote:
Messed up decision.

HuK mothership rushes and looses on purpose but is treated like a superhero.

Naniwa makes a probe rush and looses on purpose but gets revoked by biased judges.

Its pathetic and i hope more people boycott GSL.


totally forgot about this!!

there are so many other examples of pretty obvious game throwing too

why pick on nani? the only difference is that his match is one of the few that actually MEAN NOTHING

they totally had to do it to prevent it from happening again.

its basically gom saying "inb4 everyone throws their last match if they're 3rd/4th place in their code s group match"

With the group system GOM uses for Code S, there will never be a reason for a player to throw a game, since every set matters.
tztztz
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany314 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1457
just by the fact that this is a precedent case makes it a dick-move by gom. i'm sure if naniwa where aware about the consequences he wouldn't have done it. if gom just warned him, everything would have been completely fine. the discussions about such things on TL are the best things that came out of this, so every player now knows how to behave. but banning naniwa is just completely unnessecary
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1458
On December 14 2011 20:21 tnud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:20 valaki wrote:
On December 14 2011 20:15 klaxen wrote:
Everyone is done with GSL. I guess you don't like watching the best players.


I do like that. Naniwa isn't one of them.

He is. He got many very solid titles to his name and put up really good games in the Blizzard Cup. I don't even know where to start.


To be considered the best, he'd have needed some code S results. Guess he won't have those any time soon
ggaemo fan
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1459
Full support for GOM with this decision, tournaments must have standards, and ragebaby stuff should not be allowed, no matter what the reason is.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
December 14 2011 11:24 GMT
#1460
Lost respect for GOMTV, and WILL NOT be buying anything from GOMTV.

why ?

Because GOMTV does not recognize individual player personalities.

Naniwa through his hard work deserved that place, now because of some nubs on the internet saying how Naniwa should run HIS life - this happens.

Pffff I thought GOMTV were better than this.

*burp*
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