EPTAnd since there is no defined rules or penalties, who knows what could have happened.
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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
And since there is no defined rules or penalties, who knows what could have happened. | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:54 Fission wrote: I'm offended because I paid to see games, and what I got was a no-hands probe-rush. This was `1 game out of approximately 100 that will be played in this tournament. If you want high-level PvZ, watch the MC vods. Even ignoring that, you paid for starcraft games, he gave you a starcraft game, albeit a short one. No reason to be offended. | ||
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nilssonen
Sweden41 Posts
Displaying violent behaviors to threaten the opposing player or the audience. This is not how GOM translated this rule when fitting it into this situation. I also strongly disagree with GOM's way of handling it. Having them play a WORTHLESS game from the beginning. When this happens in other sports teams throw out B-teams. This is not possible since it's 1v1, and you cant expect a competitive person to "like" it and play at 100%. When similar situations happened when i was in a individual ski league people that were "out" were NEVER forced to ski down the track to "satisfy" the spectators. With that being said, i do not approve of Naniwa's behavior but i feel that it's his teams place to do something about it, specially since he did not break any rule. And if you say he did, answer how he "threatened" anyone, is'nt that why they banned him, because he didn't even threaten Nestea in the game?  | ||
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Weemoed
Netherlands741 Posts
- Naniwa doesn't get his Code S seed - He can still participate in the current GSL season through the open bracket ? | ||
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dude_2
Germany22 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:17 ZasZ. wrote: No really, they don't. Their entire team was built upon one All American player who is capable of putting them ahead early. He's out for the year, and now they are starting (arguably) the worst QB in the league. Their (aging) defense is built around the pass rush, which doesn't work if your offense is terrible and can't score any points. Even if they have enough talent to win games, it doesn't mean that they will. Any given Sunday, the Colts could come out and beat the Patriots. But they didn't. They got smoked because their offense is nonexistent and their defense is fragile. Plus, no matter how convinced you are, you can't prove that they are intentionally losing games. You can 100%, without a doubt, prove that Naniwa intentionally lost that game. They're not analogous. maybe the colts are not best example, but i hope you don't argue in general against teams loosing games to get a better draft pick (spurs end of 90's to get duncan etc.). it may be not so obvious that they throw games like in naniwas case, but they do. i don't wanna defend naniwas play. it was childish and not very smart, but loosing games intentionally is not a unique thing. if you don't use your best players you are not really willing to win the game. | ||
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Caltu
60 Posts
I dont know if in reference to the games or the situation  | ||
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theboyrmca
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:58 Scrandom wrote: You are just blindly defending Naniwa, you said give him a break he had a bad day, Nestea went 0-4 and he came to play his final game, I think it was even on his birthday. It's not justified at all what Naniwa did, saying he had a bad day or that he was tired makes no sense, he had to play 4 games like everyone else and he wasn't the only one who had a bad day. People come to watch games not to see this stuff You have no idea if Nestea intended to throw the game with a roach rush, or some similar half-assed strat. Nestea prepared for the match during his birthday and I'm pretty sure he didn't intend to go 0-3 before facing Naniwa. Everyone makes Nestea out to be a saint when he admitted to half-assing his game vs HuK for the sake of entertainment. | ||
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pellen
Sweden18 Posts
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:02 Tyrant0 wrote: You have no idea if Nestea intended to throw the game with a roach rush. Nestea prepared for the match during his birthday and I'm pretty sure he didn't intend to go 0-3 before facing Naniwa. Everyone makes Nestea out to be a saint when he admitted to half-assing his game vs HuK for the sake of entertainment. And because of what Naniwa chose to do we will never know so it can't be used as a valid argument in this case | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:02 Tyrant0 wrote: You have no idea if Nestea intended to throw the game with a roach rush. Nestea prepared for the match during his birthday and I'm pretty sure he didn't intend to go 0-3 before facing Naniwa. Everyone makes Nestea out to be a saint when he admitted to half-assing his game vs HuK for the sake of entertainment. "for the sake of entertainment" thats the difference, you basically made my point for me. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:04 Scrandom wrote: And because of what Naniwa chose to do we will never know so it can't be used as a valid argument in this case So in turn we should stop using Nestea against him. On December 15 2011 06:04 baoluvboa wrote: "for the sake of entertainment" thats the difference, you basically made my point for me. Then embrace our pro players as wrestlers who don't actually play but stage matches to be as entertaining and fake as possible. | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
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zimz
United States510 Posts
![[image loading]](http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/images/ezine/Confucianism200BC.jpg) This is 200 b.c. and since then it has spread even wider. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:04 Tyrant0 wrote: Then embrace our pro players as wrestlers who don't actually play but stage matches to be as entertaining and fake as possible. why would I embrace naniwa when what he did in that particular case was disrespectful? He had a professional obligation to carry out and he failed to deliver due to the momentary weakness of his character. I hope that he will improve in the future but there is no reason to justify his behavior. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6668 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:44 Payson wrote: Players flip a coin at MLG to get out of playing their consolation matches. That seeding helps determine Nationals each year for MLG, so them flipping a coin is throwing away an entire series. Are they punished? No....... This is complete bullshit on GOM's part, make a statement regarding the situation and what you'll do to improve on it in the future, but why remove a player from Code S when he rightfully earned it at MLG Providence? This tournament was a celebration a special tournament, pretty much a show match with incentives. This is why GOM is so pissed at Naniwa, Yes Naniwa should have gotten the seed from providence but with the format change, they also changed that seeding, its no longer a direct invite from MLG its an invite seed determined by them. So obviously they are not going to invite a player who potentially won't play his games. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
Dignitas actually had more of a chance than Naniwa did.. Such haters/hypocrites.... Let's all trash Dignitas!! No, but Naniwa did it, we have to hate him, Dignitas is okay. Ppl should just man up and stop resorting to this you hurt my feelings; therefore, i will bend the rules to hurt you bs. It's elementary at best. A warning would have sufficed. So much LuLz.. | ||
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schmitty9800
United States390 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:57 sereniity wrote: THE MATCH WAS USELESS AND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PLAYED IN THE FIRST PLACE. That's beside the point. Even if it's useless for the competitor, it's not useless for the people that paid him to be there. On December 15 2011 05:57 sereniity wrote: Everybody tries to get involved with the koreans feelings so much, that it's like Naniwa is giving them the finger... Nobody's projecting feelings onto them...there are a lot of quotes from Korean players who are outright saying that NaNi was being disrespectful. On December 15 2011 05:57 sereniity wrote:How about IdrA? I love IdrA, a big fan of him. But his behaviour just fills the criteria of that rule SO MUCH yet GOM embraces him with open arms? He's never done anything like this in a GSL match. By all indications IdrA is very professional when dealing with tournament organizers, NaNi is not. Couple that with the fact that he's a popular name and I'm not surprised that GOM gave him a new invite. On December 15 2011 05:57 sereniity wrote: How about Stephano? He openly admits that he ONLY CARES ABOUT THE MONEY, NOTHING ELSE. He six pooled ClouD, a freaking TERRAN, TWICE IN A ROW AT DH IN A MATCH THAT MATTERED - NOBODY GAVE A SHIT! Different country and different tournament, if DH had seen fit to punish him I wouldn't have disagreed. I fully agree that GOM should have made a difference for 7th-10th place in the tourney...but revoking an invite that was given seems like an appropriate punishment. He's not banned, he doesn't lose points...he simply loses something extra that he was given to him. | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
I hope Naniwa gets to play there and (almost) everybody will be happy. | ||
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PlasticMilk
Canada48 Posts
It's just one of those things that made GOM lose face with Korean fans, then their decision made them lose respect from the foreigner fans... trying to appease everyone is such a chore and it's always very difficult considering the different mind sets of the two groups of fans. In the end, I think we should all just accept the decision GOM made and hope that they are more rational in the future. Naniwa had his reasons to do what he did and GOM had their reasons. This just reminds me of Coca and Byun, the punishment was a bit harsh for a set that wasn't even worth money, but they had to appease to the Korean fans as well as the face that they lost from their actions. | ||
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