EPTIf you don't like the move, don't watch gom. All this fervor is just giving Gom free advertizing for the next season.
Let them know your pissed by killing their foriegn viewer count.
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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
If you don't like the move, don't watch gom. All this fervor is just giving Gom free advertizing for the next season. Let them know your pissed by killing their foriegn viewer count. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:11 Paladia wrote: There has to be some kind of legal security if these tournaments are ever suppose to be taken seriously. If you do an action, you must be able to forsee the consequences based on the ruleset. In no way can you foresee that doing a probe rush in a 100% worthless game in a completely different tournament would all of a sudden get you banned from Code S which you've already been granted a slot in. You can't have tournament organizers decide on a whim who gets banned and who gets special treatment. They can start by removing inconsequential matches, which basically insures them from this specific situation ever happening again. Rather than empowering both themselves and the player and having to come down on a player for it, they remove the possibility entirely. If a player blatantly threw a match in a regular season GSL match, I don't see a ban as an unfitting punishment. | ||
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Forgottenfrog
United States1268 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:08 SC2NeCro wrote: Honestly, if people are going to argue that NaNiWa threw the game and made it not entertaining for the viewers, what about the NaNiWa vs. Leenock finals? All he did was a boring roach rush, that was NOT ENTERTAINING, especially compared to an epic long series, and yet people seem to have no problem at all with that one. Hypocritical to say the least. The difference is those roach rushes won Leenock the finals where Naniwa's probe rush has 0% chance of winning. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:06 dacimvrl wrote: What about the time on IGN Team Arena Challenge when Dignitas forfeited after going 0-4 against SlayerS. Did anyone bitch at Dignitas? Should IGN/IPL ban Dignitas? LoL. Dignitas actually had more of a chance than Naniwa did.. Such haters/hypocrites.... Let's all trash Dignitas!! No, but Naniwa did it, we have to hate him, Dignitas is okay. Ppl should just man up and stop resorting to this you hurt my feelings; therefore, i will bend the rules to hurt you bs. It's elementary at best. A warning would have sufficed. So much LuLz.. Er actually, there were quite a lotta people calling for Dignitas to answer for what they did. This was true of Millenium too. And people were calling for both teams to not be invited back for future games (IPL invited one of them back anyways I think). Why wasn't there a bigger outcry? Have you seen those live report threads? There aren't that many people in them anyways. | ||
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:14 LunaSea wrote: That's one of the reasons Starcraft II needs a "Fifa like" organisation i my opinion. We had KESPA back in the days, if you sneezed at the wrong time you were executed. | ||
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DeliCiousVP
Sweden343 Posts
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LiamTheZerg
United States523 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:10 marcmtlca wrote: Does anyone know what I do to get a refund on the 100$ ticket i bought a day or 2 ago? I find it ridiculous that they kicked NAniwa out for something completely unrelated. The whole organisation lacks professionalism and I don't think I am going to follow it anymore. Tried to figure it out on the Gom site but I couldnt find a refund button. Yep, they're the ones that lack professionalism for wanting to showcase good games for people that payed to watch while the kid that boxed, a-moved, and took his hands off the keyboard is a professional. Makes total sense. What an ironic post | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:08 SC2NeCro wrote: Honestly, if people are going to argue that NaNiWa threw the game and made it not entertaining for the viewers, what about the NaNiWa vs. Leenock finals? All he did was a boring roach rush, that was NOT ENTERTAINING, especially compared to an epic long series, and yet people seem to have no problem at all with that one. Hypocritical to say the least. if you know hes gonna ffe, might as well exploit the weakness of not using another build order... | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:11 Paladia wrote: There has to be some kind of legal security if these tournaments are ever suppose to be taken seriously. If you do an action, you must be able to forsee the consequences based on the ruleset. In no way can you foresee that doing a probe rush in a 100% worthless game in a completely different tournament would all of a sudden get you banned from Code S which you've already been granted a slot in. You can't have tournament organizers decide on a whim who gets banned and who gets special treatment. i said it time and time again and will say it again. there are clear rules in the civil code what happens if you dont take your contractual obligations seriously even if such cases are not written down in the gomtv rule book these rules apply. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6668 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:11 Paladia wrote: There has to be some kind of legal security if these tournaments are ever suppose to be taken seriously. If you do an action, you must be able to forsee the consequences based on the ruleset. In no way can you foresee that doing a probe rush in a 100% worthless game in a completely different tournament would all of a sudden get you banned from Code S which you've already been granted a slot in. You can't have tournament organizers decide on a whim who gets banned and who gets special treatment. He intentionally blatantly threw a game.... that is clearly against the rules in any tournament. If you hide it behind a cheesey all in, most tournaments will let it slide etc. but when you pretty much bitch smack them in the face with it, they can't just ignore it and let it slide. Also I would ban him for longer then just 1 season. Who really wants a cry baby who doesn't play his games? | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:16 LiamTheZerg wrote: Yep, they're the ones that lack professionalism for wanting to showcase good games for people that payed to watch while the kid that boxed, a-moved, and took his hands off the keyboard is a professional. Makes total sense. What an ironic post some ppl are clueless, eh. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:15 JinDesu wrote: Er actually, there were quite a lotta people calling for Dignitas to answer for what they did. This was true of Millenium too. And people were calling for both teams to not be invited back for future games (IPL invited one of them back anyways I think). Why wasn't there a bigger outcry? Have you seen those live report threads? There aren't that many people in them anyways. That only proves that IGN/IPL guys are mature and more fair, cuz they didn't resort to the "you hurt my feelings; therefore, i will bend the rules to hurt you bs." Why are ppl so butthurt about it LoL? It's a match that won't make a difference at all. Might as well make a lower bracket for all the losers and make them play for nothing forever, even after they got eliminated. Yes, that makes total sense. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10979 Posts
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Mepper
Venezuela50 Posts
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:14 Tommylew wrote: ok ok i think we just need to brush this under the carpet so many wrong things have been postedmaking everything wrong.. some which is true wsome which arent rue and somethat could be true but we dont know lol All gone so so messy. At end of day Nani was wrong with what he did, however understanable it is. gomtv are just as much to blame making them play a game where the is nothing on the line and had no impact on anyone qualifying.. Nani still should of done any strategy but what he did(4 gate is apparently acceptable or evena cannon rush). Punishment is harsh in many people eyes.... he still has a chance to qualify and show he should be there anyway(cant see it after going 0-10 vs koreans or is it 1-10) Good game!!! Lets move on and disccuss somethign else as constant threads however much I back nani are starting to ruin this forum. why didnt naniwa say "you know what. f it. i am not playing a tournament where i theoretically would have to play even if i already got kicked out of the tournament. im not playing blizzard cup" before blizzard cup started and just forfeited his spot ? he knew the rules and took the risk when entering the tournament as the format was known beforehand | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:20 Mepper wrote: Is there any way I can write some sort of complaint to GOM over this or anything? I'm not even a big Naniwa fan at all, but I'm pretty angered over this, they're acting like complete butthurt man-children.I do feel like there could be a bit of foreigner discrimination going on here. I'm going to request a refund for my ticket too, GOM's not getting my money Glad to see a post like this. Open minded and understanding about the real situation at hand. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:15 grobo wrote: We had KESPA back in the days, if you sneezed at the wrong time you were executed. Don't exaggerate about kespa, most of their rules are necessary to make league a real professional environment. If Gom has better rules, there won't be any conflict in this case. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
On December 15 2011 06:15 Tyrant0 wrote: They can start by removing inconsequential matches, which basically insures them from this specific situation ever happening again. Rather than empowering both themselves and the player and having to come down on a player for it, they remove the possibility entirely. If a player blatantly threw a match in a regular season GSL match, I don't see a ban as an unfitting punishment. They already did this... In a normal GSL there are no inconsequential matches... The pools are double elimination and the rest of knockout, ie you always have something to play for. Only inconsequential matches perhaps can happen in up & down but I believe they don't play matches with no consequence whatsoever in those. Pool format has one advantage, you get to see more matchups. As such it is not stupid at all for them to choose this format for the end of the year tournament because it allows the viewers to see many different players agianst eachother and with such great players that is attractive for the viewer. I for one was looking forward to seeing some matches I had hardly seen before. The last matches being completely irrelevant was also quite unlikely as that would basically only happen with two players that are 0-3 or 3-0 facing eachother.. With first spot being relevant as well it was simply just very poor luck. The only real flaw in the system imo was using results against eachother as a tiebreaker, which is not a great tiebreaker imo in pool play like this. (it led to the somewhat silly MC having to play for stephano situation). | ||
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